The Frankish Reich Posted April 15 Posted April 15 50 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: wait til Walmart shoppers are paying twice as much for everyday items Why will no one admit that we like having cheap stuff from China? That's why we buy it, myself included. Wouldn't we be better off if we could buy the new Chinese BYD EVs? By most accounts they are better than comparable Teslas, and far, far cheaper. Passenger vehicles don't strike me as something that is a strong national security concern. Let me buy whatever the eff I want from whomever the eff I want. I notice Elon Musk hates Peter Retarrdo's tariff schemes. Elon Musk's entire core business - Tesla - is built on tariffs, import restrictions, and tax incentives.
Homelander Posted April 15 Posted April 15 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: I am not going to bother to respond to the 4-5 guys in this thread that think they are more intelligent that 77 million other Americans. Your arrogance is sad, your allegiance to China over your own country is sick. Patriotism isn’t about blind agreement with a crowd - it’s about caring enough to think critically and speak up. 1
JDHillFan Posted April 15 Posted April 15 6 hours ago, Homelander said: And NAZIS - 100% full blown NAZIS. There’s an “All Things NAZI” thread. Let’s tighten up here. When someone that faced down real nazis in WWII hears a maggot like you whining about nazis, have you ever pondered their thoughts on the matter? 1 1
T master Posted Sunday at 12:35 PM Posted Sunday at 12:35 PM On 8/28/2020 at 8:44 PM, 3rdnlng said: I brought this subject up some time ago in another thread but thought it might be worth its own thread with a little variation. Today I sent away for over $250 worth of supplements that are made in the USA and not China. I had previously ordered some of these supplements but today I completely weaned myself off China supplements. Not only do we owe China a big FU for their duplicity with Covid-19 but their products are often not worthashit. How do we know that the tumeric curcumin supplement from China is real and not colored plaster dust? Face it, we can't trust China in anything and as a country we should be very wary of buying their products. While I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do I'm encouraging anyone reading this to take a second look at what they are purchasing and consider eliminating or limiting products from China. This is a good thread to post any decisions you've made in regards to purchases either from or not from China. BTW, eliminating Chinese products from out lives is not an easy thing to do. The day after I first posted about this I saw on a store shelf an item that I was going to order online and picked it up. Later when I took it from its package I noticed that it was made in China. I at first kicked myself but then realized that if I really wanted that product this was the only brand available. We can't be perfect in doing this but we can make a difference if we at least try. Post away.
All_Pro_Bills Posted Sunday at 12:46 PM Posted Sunday at 12:46 PM (edited) On 4/15/2025 at 4:27 PM, Homelander said: Patriotism isn’t about blind agreement with a crowd - it’s about caring enough to think critically and speak up. Critical thinking like when some posters here questioned our involvement in Ukraine and your ideological brothers and sisters on PPP said we were appeasing Putin? I didn't come away feeling my challenging the crowd was embraced. Edited Sunday at 12:47 PM by All_Pro_Bills 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted Sunday at 12:57 PM Posted Sunday at 12:57 PM On 4/15/2025 at 12:58 PM, The Frankish Reich said: Why will no one admit that we like having cheap stuff from China? That's why we buy it, myself included. Wouldn't we be better off if we could buy the new Chinese BYD EVs? By most accounts they are better than comparable Teslas, and far, far cheaper. Passenger vehicles don't strike me as something that is a strong national security concern. Let me buy whatever the eff I want from whomever the eff I want. I notice Elon Musk hates Peter Retarrdo's tariff schemes. Elon Musk's entire core business - Tesla - is built on tariffs, import restrictions, and tax incentives. I think you have to open it up beyond cheap cars and goods. Break down federal/state barriers and allow cheap legal, medical and professional services, whatever, let’s really embrace globalization. In fact, why not allow Americans an alternative to federal/state taxation? Partner with the best deal-maker in the world as it relates to the various tax schemes, and utilize rules/regulations most favorable for the circumstance, because they would be better (maybe) and far, far cheaper.
All_Pro_Bills Posted Sunday at 01:56 PM Posted Sunday at 01:56 PM 37 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think you have to open it up beyond cheap cars and goods. Break down federal/state barriers and allow cheap legal, medical and professional services, whatever, let’s really embrace globalization. In fact, why not allow Americans an alternative to federal/state taxation? Partner with the best deal-maker in the world as it relates to the various tax schemes, and utilize rules/regulations most favorable for the circumstance, because they would be better (maybe) and far, far cheaper. Chinese products are inexpensive for a reason. In most cases, low quality. Cheap materials and poor quality components and parts. The stuff breaks easily and doesn't last very long. Add in almost no concern for the environment, the use of toxic substances, exploitation of workers, etc. My old US made washing machine lasted 21 years before somebody over-loaded it and broke it. My new one made in China had to be serviced 3 times in 7 years. Poor quality and specs for short life expectancy. Using medical services, I'll offer you a gall bladder operation with Dr One at $2,000 with an expected survival rate of 99.5%. Or a cheaper option with Dr Two at $500 with a survival rate of 75%. Is Two better because it's "cheaper"? Quality matters I think. 1 1
Niagara Bill Posted Sunday at 02:05 PM Posted Sunday at 02:05 PM On 4/15/2025 at 9:32 AM, All_Pro_Bills said: China didn't attack? Tell that to Taiwan, Vietnam, and Phillipines when it comes to aggressive actions in the South China Sea. And sure US citizens benefited from trade with China. But that benefit was not distributed equally. Ask workers that lost their jobs, businesses that went under, and residents of thousands of small towns and cities turned into ghost towns. Most of the benefit went to US based multinational corporations, the government that found an eager buyer for Treasury paper, and political and social elites paid millions to advocate for China through a program the CCP calls elite capture. One danger is decades of offshoring industrial capacity has left industries essential to national defense, like ship building a critical weakness. There won't be any great mobilization of civilian industry to convert to defense production like during WW2 because there’s not much left to convert. Our exposure is frightening. But most American have no stomach for any battle. They're perfectly happy buying over-priced iPhones, cheap consumer goods, and low quality, throw away, item like appliances with short service lives. When China gets powerful enough to overtake the US all this will go away in an instant. The administration has decided to take them on now, on our terms, rather than wait for the fight later on their terms. And make no mistake they intend to dominate the world. Under their political and social system. Curious how the posters crying about protecting democracy are so eager to side with China to give ours away. I didn't say YS workers didn't suffer, but US business, including Tesla, Amazon, Apple, Stanley Tools, clothing makers etc etc, all went to China on their own free will, with blessing of the country. China strength is US made. Tax corporations that manufacture in China, put the money in the coffers. That will control Chinese growth, and nit harm US citizens and encourage business to return home. But trump will NEVER tax his friends, he just dies stupid things like 245% tariffs 1
Homelander Posted Sunday at 02:12 PM Posted Sunday at 02:12 PM 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Critical thinking like when some posters here questioned our involvement in Ukraine and your ideological brothers and sisters on PPP said we were appeasing Putin? I didn't come away feeling my challenging the crowd was embraced. BS - one person walked in, snapped their fingers, and the entire Republican stance on Russia and Ukraine did a 180. That’s not policy evolution, that’s cult behavior. When your entire platform bends to the will of one guy, you’re not a party anymore you’re a fan club with talking points. 2
Albwan Posted Sunday at 02:15 PM Posted Sunday at 02:15 PM 6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: I didn't say YS workers didn't suffer, but US business, including Tesla, Amazon, Apple, Stanley Tools, clothing makers etc etc, all went to China on their own free will, with blessing of the country. China strength is US made. Tax corporations that manufacture in China, put the money in the coffers. That will control Chinese growth, and nit harm US citizens and encourage business to return home. But trump will NEVER tax his friends, he just dies stupid things like 245% tariffs Did you copy and paste all that drivel that from wiki? 1
Doc Posted Sunday at 02:37 PM Posted Sunday at 02:37 PM 18 minutes ago, Homelander said: BS - one person walked in, snapped their fingers, and the entire Republican stance on Russia and Ukraine did a 180. That’s not policy evolution, that’s cult behavior. When your entire platform bends to the will of one guy, you’re not a party anymore you’re a fan club with talking points. Your entire platform is bending away from the will of that one guy, even if it makes you hypocrites on things you supported right before he took Office. But that's not a cult. 1
Homelander Posted Sunday at 02:42 PM Posted Sunday at 02:42 PM 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Your entire platform is bending away from the will of that one guy, even if it makes you hypocrites on things you supported right before he took Office. But that's not a cult. LOL - blindly contorting your entire belief system to match the mood swings of one spray-tanned messiah isn’t cult behavior it’s just passionate consistency, right? The same people who once screamed about law and order now excuse felonies, who claimed to back the troops now cheer for insurrections, and who swore by the Constitution now treat it like optional reading. But sure, it's not a cult it’s just mass political amnesia with matching hats. 1
Doc Posted Sunday at 03:00 PM Posted Sunday at 03:00 PM (edited) 27 minutes ago, Homelander said: LOL - blindly contorting your entire belief system to match the mood swings of one spray-tanned messiah isn’t cult behavior it’s just passionate consistency, right? The same people who once screamed about law and order now excuse felonies, who claimed to back the troops now cheer for insurrections, and who swore by the Constitution now treat it like optional reading. But sure, it's not a cult it’s just mass political amnesia with matching hats. And yet your party is polling lower than ever in history. You think that might have to do with the contorting they've done against one guy? Naw, couldn't be... Edited Sunday at 03:10 PM by Doc
Homelander Posted Sunday at 03:32 PM Posted Sunday at 03:32 PM 31 minutes ago, Doc said: And yet your party is polling lower than ever in history. You think that might have to do with the contorting they've done against one guy? Naw, couldn't be... Deflecting to polls doesn’t change the fact that you’re 100% in a cult. Keep pretending it's about anything else, though.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted Sunday at 03:38 PM Posted Sunday at 03:38 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Chinese products are inexpensive for a reason. In most cases, low quality. Cheap materials and poor quality components and parts. The stuff breaks easily and doesn't last very long. Add in almost no concern for the environment, the use of toxic substances, exploitation of workers, etc. My old US made washing machine lasted 21 years before somebody over-loaded it and broke it. My new one made in China had to be serviced 3 times in 7 years. Poor quality and specs for short life expectancy. Using medical services, I'll offer you a gall bladder operation with Dr One at $2,000 with an expected survival rate of 99.5%. Or a cheaper option with Dr Two at $500 with a survival rate of 75%. Is Two better because it's "cheaper"? Quality matters I think. Sure, except technology, quantity and accessibility typically drive cost down over time. People make decisions based on their circumstances and individual value proposition. Your gall bladder scenario makes sense, but like Frank’s incessant desire for more products cheaper than the last, burning within him like an untreated STD, the question becomes when the desire for cheap ends and where the perception of value begins. People will have different opinions there. Before most people get to a gall bladder op, there are typically multiple much more mundane yet fairly expensive visits along the way. Perhaps those visits, virtually and bypassing traditional costly channels would be where one would start. I would also submit that while I see value in professional relationships, there is at least one, if not more individual out there who would likely take the gall bladder B option. To the larger point, it seems Frank to me was really just talking about consumer options by partnering with foreign nations. I’m doing the same. Edited Sunday at 03:46 PM by leh-nerd skin-erd
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