Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, Doc said: As Kid in CA stated, it was just one person. One doesn't appear to have left and the other was some kid who left to go to grad school. And no one's voluntarily leaving a job right now. Unless they have a better one lined-up. Yup. It wasn't until his 4th season that he showed anything. The Chargers even drafted his replacement after his 3rd season. So they were fired?
Buffalo ill Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 Maybe they didn't want to make pandering posts for the Bills Facebook page. 2
KD in CA Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Good point. Plenty of white collar workers are leaving their jobs working for an NFL franchise in bunches. Your characterization of working in the FO of an NFL team as some kind of employment utopia is silly at best. They don't get uniforms. They don't get 80,000 people cheering for them. It's a job like anywhere else. 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: I'm still confused why people are going out of their way to try really hard to destroy the credibility of this? No you're not. You're just part of the small but vocal group that looks for any reason to dump on the organization, including taking this sensationalized (aka bull####) headline at face value. And that's why people are calling it out. No one knows if she quit or was fired, but at this point it's irrelevant. Over on Sabre Space they used to call the crowd that did this Team Storm Cloud. Maybe they still do.
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Your characterization of working in the FO of an NFL team as some kind of employment utopia is silly at best. They don't get uniforms. They don't get 80,000 people cheering for them. It's a job like anywhere else. No you're not. You're just part of the small but vocal group that looks for any reason to dump on the organization, including taking this sensationalized (aka bull####) headline at face value. And that's why people are calling it out. No one knows if she quit or was fired, but at this point it's irrelevant. Over on Sabre Space they used to call the crowd that did this Team Storm Cloud. Maybe they still do. You're right---it's a low profile company with limited resources and as far as marketing goes, a tiny Q score to push against. NFL FO's have a notorious retention problem that we have read about league-wide for many many many years... By all account thus far, I could not make the argument that the PSE/Bills/NFL FO is an employment utopia---good thing I didn't say that.
Doc Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: So they were fired? Doesn't say the one person was fired. Again the one is still working there as far as we know and the other went back to college. And sometimes people leave because they (realize they) are getting forced-out.
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: Doesn't say the one person was fired. Again the one is still working there as far as we know and the other went back to college. And sometimes people leave because they (realize they) are getting forced-out. Oh....impending fired!
Doc Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Oh....impending fired! Makes more sense than quitting your job and going on unemployment in this market because of low morale. I mean, how many pro sports teams are hiring these days? How much better is that person's morale going to be with no paycheck coming in? And as I asked before, does anyone think the marketing department was anything special and that any of these people (this person) can't be easily replaced? If I told you that the Bills' marketing department was good prior to this article coming out, you'd be laughing. But I know you want this to be true. Admit it finally. Edited August 28, 2020 by Doc
Locomark Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 Scenario 1: every single sponsor wants money back, the 3 marketing people get hammered by those partners to cut prices or they will walk , management says tell them to stuff it or maybe even asks for price concessions or we will find new sponsors...the 3 people in the middle get the stress and hammered on both ends Scenario 2: Marketing department head is leading naming rights search. Handles it poorly by leaking name to Chris Brown and underlings. They spread it around. So they dump the whole marketing group and suspend Chris Brown. Scenario 3: Bills office is going to be like Sabres’ operations now and they ask 3 experienced people to walk with a package be replaced with 2 young people to cut costs and figure why not now since there are no sales and limited Marketing budget to be had. Or any combination of 1,2,3 Other speculative marketing musings out there, since the Bills refuse to provide us any football content?
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, Doc said: Makes more sense than quitting your job and going on unemployment in this market because of low morale. I mean, how many pro sports teams are hiring these days? How much better is that person's morale going to be with no paycheck coming in? And as I asked before, does anyone think the marketing department was anything special and that any of these people (this person) can't be easily replaced? If I told you that the Bills' marketing department was good prior to this article coming out, you'd be laughing. But I know you want this to be true. Admit it finally. The question is immaterial. It doesn't matter whether they are replaceable. Or if they were "good". They left.
Don Otreply Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 I read on this board in some thread or another don’t remember which one, that Marketing leaked naming rights info to Brownie, who in turn leaked it believing it was public, discipline was kept in house and we see the end results. Personally I like the theory, I like the the whole drama of it, it’s far more enticing than the other boring azs notions in this thread. Now I’m gonna have another martini ? and watch the show, ??? I do recommend martinis ??to all of you, before you post any further... ? it will help this thread out enormously ? Go Bills!!!
todd Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 Sounds like a leadership problem to me. People getting suspended for stuff and others quitting en masse is usually an indication of an autocratic, draconian leadership methodology. That garbage doesn’t work, especially among gen - exers and millennials. Sounds like the business side of the organization needs a serious revamp, and an analysis done in leadership methods.
folz Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He said the entire department... People seem hooked on the number of people who make up that department. It's irrelevant. If the title had said "all 3 people who make up the Bills entire marketing department have stepped down", would you people be less offended/enraged/triggered? If JW had written the same article, would you be going off on the title? In troubled times, people tend not to just walk away from their jobs unless they have another job in hand. That also would have been part of the above story. 11 hours ago, Mango said: Because if you went with the current website, there would be none of them. Which is Grahams point. If you jump back to the website from a month ago, there would be three of them. Ok, I'll admit that I way overestimated how many people would be in the Bills marketing department. I work for a non-major company and our marketing department is a lot more than 3 people (could just be a difference in which jobs are considered under which department in different companies and outsourcing as someone else said). And if it truly was only three people in the department, then I also take back that the headline was inaccurate. If three people were the entire department and they are all gone, then it was the "entire" department. I just assumed it would be more than that. However, why was that not mentioned in the article (that there were only three people in the department)? As written, it does lead one to assume that it was a much bigger department and therefore, a much bigger problem. That is why the number is relevant. If two employees leave a business because they are disgruntled, eh, no big deal, happens all the time. But if it were a wave of employees leaving, then "Oh my gosh, what is going on with the Bills/PSE?" (and as KD in CA has mentioned, you can hardly count a 23-24 year old who is leaving to go back to grad school as an example of a larger issue inside the company). So, I still think the headline was sensationalized, even if technically accurate. Again, I don't know what is going on at PSE and I don't care, as long as it doesn't affect the Bills negatively. That is for the people who work there to deal with as they see fit, or to leave. I'm not defending PSE, I was more commenting on how current "news" articles are specifically given headlines to stir people up about stuff. And I think that headline was specifically written to get people to say, "Oh my gosh, the whole department walked out? I guess it really is a sh&t show over at PSE." And of course, as Bills/Sabers fans we don't want the parent company to be a mess because we don't want it to affect the teams we love (we've been through enough), but I didn't see many people defend, say, Russ Brandon, when everything happened. People will accept a fact when given enough evidence to the fact. But little hints, rumors, and speculation from reporters are not enough to accept something as fact. What facts do we have up to now? There were layoffs a while back and people were unhappy about that and now, a Vice President of marketing has stepped down. Is that enough to assume the company is so poorly run that it is ready to collapse? Also, morale is low in a lot of companies around the country due to the pandemic. Many companies have reduced their staff's wages significantly for the year, while other companies (and there are a lot of them), like PSE, who laid off a lot of people to cope with the pandemic year. Many people are still working from home, which means there is probably less communication and just more ennui in general. And morale is always low at a job when a bunch of people get laid off. Some of those people were your friends, you start to worry about your own job security, etc. But, I have not heard anything specific about why morale is low (other than the layoffs) or how many people we are talking about that have low morale. What if their "sources" are 2-3 employees. Is that enough to say it is widespread? So, why would I jump to a conclusion one way or the other (to either defend or denounce PSE)? We just don't have enough information to have an opinion on the companies internal workings...unless you or someone close to you works there. But this article, however, is definitely leading the reader to believe that there are major problems. He just doesn't back it up with enough evidence for me to accept it on good faith. Edited August 29, 2020 by folz 1
BillsSB2020KO Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 11:19 AM, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: You're looking for "facts" on the internet? As opposed to newspapers and the television? 1
Warcodered Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Doc said: And as I asked before, does anyone think the marketing department was anything special and that any of these people (this person) can't be easily replaced? If I told you that the Bills' marketing department was good prior to this article coming out, you'd be laughing. I hope whoever is in charge of Bills twitter is still around they're not bad.
Doc Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The question is immaterial. It doesn't matter whether they are replaceable. Or if they were "good". They left. It certainly is material if they weren't good at their jobs. Or if their jobs are being consolidated. Or if one of them is a college kid going back to graduate school. Did Timmy bother to interview any of them? And the marketing department consists of just a VP of marketing, marketing coordinator and marketing manager? Who/where is the President of marketing? You'd think a marketing department would have one. BTW, the Kelly Baker that's mentioned was a "content marketing coordinator" for a brief period in 2019 and has been an athletic trainer for the Bills since. 20 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I hope whoever is in charge of Bills twitter is still around they're not bad. No idea. But if that person was someone who left, I nominate you to take his/her place.
Mango Posted August 29, 2020 Author Posted August 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Doc said: It certainly is material if they weren't good at their jobs. Or if their jobs are being consolidated. Or if one of them is a college kid going back to graduate school. Did Timmy bother to interview any of them? BTW, the marketing department consists of just a VP of marketing, marketing coordinator and marketing manager? Who/where is the President of marketing? No idea. But if that person was someone who left, I nominate you to take his/her place. Hahaha. You think that there is some corporate formula that necessitates, or even implies, the need for a President to be a Vice President? Or that this is even common. Dude, titles aren’t even linear in that way between departments in the same company, let alone enough to make this some big gotcha moment proving something.What a wild statement.
Warcodered Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mango said: Hahaha. You think that there is some corporate formula that necessitates, or even implies, the need for a President to be a Vice President? Or that this is even common. Dude, titles aren’t even linear in that way between departments in the same company, let alone enough to make this some big gotcha moment proving something.What a wild statement. Right VP could just be an alternate form of department head with the President being the one over all of the departments. 1
Doc Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 Just now, Mango said: Hahaha. You think that there is some corporate formula that necessitates, or even implies, the need for a President to be a Vice President? Or that this is even common. Dude, titles aren’t even linear in that way between departments in the same company, let alone enough to make this some big gotcha moment proving something.What a wild statement. But these go to 11. OK, fair enough. Still doesn't change the fact that they basically lost 1 employee, for reasons we don't know, and another who was barely there to grad school. The other that was mentioned is an athletic trainer. Someone didn't do his homework.
JMF2006 Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 11:24 AM, Seasons1992 said: They have a record label?!?!?! They wanted a goalie school but Tre beat them to it I think moral was low because Brandon wasn't around to grope people Some people respond to human touch
Saxum Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/28/2020 at 9:11 AM, jeremy2020 said: Since this took me all of two minutes to obtain, I have to assume Tim is either grossly incompetent or has an agenda. Which one do you think it is? Why does it need to be just one? And what does this say about publisher who pays him?
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