Domestic terrorist attack in Wisconsin

[LDD]

46 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Your friend sounds simple. 

Oh he is...he asks very simple questions. 

[Buffarukus]

23 minutes ago, SCBills said:

MSNBC - “You can still sue Rittenhouse in a civil suit”

 

They are not anything remotely close to a news network anymore.  

 

he can still sue you for slander/lies/ and voter intimidation. 

[Numark3]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

Sorry but he needed to be charged. He discharged his weapon killing two and injuring another.  

I don’t think so when there is a video of that person fleeing a mob attacking him and any normal viewer would agree it’s textbook self defense.

 

we don’t normally leave these calls up to a jury, but thankfully we have them

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Crayola64 said:

I don’t think so when there is a video of that person fleeing a mob attacking him and any normal viewer would agree it’s textbook self defense.

 

we don’t normally leave these calls up to a jury, but thankfully we have them

You discharge your weapon in public you’re going and should get charged. Let the justice system sort it out. As what happened here. 

[Numark3]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

You discharge your weapon in public you’re going and should get charged. Let the justice system sort it out. As what happened here. 

that’s a really simplistic view of the justice system and doesn’t really make sense, but sure.  
 

people don’t get charged frequently when the outcome is something you’d associate with a crime, including shooting someone with a gun.  There is discretion and thought that factors into decision making.  It’s nice you want to remove that and make it a black/white rule.  Thankfully that’s not the case

Edited November 19, 2021 by Crayola64

[Jauronimo]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I see. So these deaths are all on Kyle?  

Yes. 

 

He ran around like a f@@#$ing idiot until he mixed it up with someone who was mentally ill and then he pissed himself and started shooting people when ***** started getting real.   Its pretty much the reason why we pay people to patrol the streets with guns and instead of encouraging every bed wetting child with a soldier of fortune fantasy to run around with a rifle.  

 

Its the Zimmerman case on repeat.  The right ruling was made, its 100% what I expected, and there is nothing to feel good about.

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Crayola64 said:

that’s a really simplistic view of the justice system and doesn’t really make sense, but sure.  

So you’re cool with someone killing two and wounding another in public just being let go without any charges. Now THAT doesn’t really make any sense. 

[Numark3]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So you’re cool with someone killing two and wounding another in public just being let go without any charges. Now THAT doesn’t really make any sense. 

in a case where they didnt commit a crime…um yes?

 

charges are for crimes, not sure if you are aware

Edited November 19, 2021 by Crayola64

[Dukestreetking]

"Princeton can use a man like Kyle"

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

in a case where they didnt commit a crime…um yes?

 

charges are for crimes, not sure if you are aware

In many people’s eyes he did commit a crime.  

[Jauronimo]

21 minutes ago, SCBills said:

The fact the verdict was EVER in doubt and EVER even brought, shows how important fighting in culture wars has become.  
 

 

This is exactly the mindset that is fueling this race to the bottom in American politics.  Can't beat em, join em.  Culture wars on every front conceivable and beyond is patently moronic. 

 

21 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

Well, to be fair, the guy who died when he was strolling around with a gun wouldn’t have died if he didn’t actively attack another guy (who also had a gun)

 

 

 

this case was a textbook self-defense case, and would have never resulted in charges of it wasn’t so politicized 

bull####.  Killing people in the streets because you were "trying to protect private property" that you have no connection with will bring charges every single time as it should.

[Numark3]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

In many people’s eyes he did commit a crime.  

that’s nice, law enforcement has discretion.

 

if someone was chopping people up with a machete and ran towards you in public, and you “discharged your gun” killing him…you wouldn’t be charged.  Why?  Clear cut case of self defense.  Surely you’d agree with and back off your idea of anyone discharging their gun and killing someone should be charged with a crime?

 

here is no different.  It’s clear cut.  The only reason any case moved forward is because it was politicized. 

Just now, Jauronimo said:

This is exactly the mindset that is fueling this race to the bottom in American politics.  Can't beat em, join em.  Culture wars on every front conceivable and beyond is patently moronic. 

 

bull####.  Killing people in the streets because you were "trying to protect private property" that you have no connection with will bring charges every single time as it should.

he killed people because they were chasing and attacking him.  That’s it.  The rest is just noise meant to confuse people like you.  It doesn’t matter if he was in Wisconsin to attend a nazi conference or a funeral or church.  When people chase and attack you…and you flee…and they keep chasing and attacking you…you have a legal right to protect your life.

 

 

[OrangeBills]

48 minutes ago, SCBills said:

MSNBC - “You can still sue Rittenhouse in a civil suit”

 

They are not anything remotely close to a news network anymore.  

 

They are actively bad people.

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

that’s nice, law enforcement has discretion.

 

if someone was chopping people up with a machete and ran towards you in public, and you “discharged your gun” killing him…you wouldn’t be charged.  Why?  Clear cut case of self defense.  Surely you’d agree with and back off your idea of anyone discharging their gun and killing someone should be charged with a crime?

 

here is no different.  It’s clear cut.  The only reason any case moved forward is because it was politicized. 

he killed people because they were chasing and attacking him.  That’s it.  The rest is just noise meant to confuse people like you.  It doesn’t matter if he was in Wisconsin to attend a nazi conference or a funeral or church.  When people chase and attack you…and you flee…and they keep chasing and attacking you…you have a legal right to protect your life.

 

 

Nice analogy there. 🙄

 

Arresting him and charging while things were sorted out is how it is and should be done. 
 

This was, in my mind anyway, not a clear cut case of self defense.  

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

This is exactly the mindset that is fueling this race to the bottom in American politics.  Can't beat em, join em.  Culture wars on every front conceivable and beyond is patently moronic. 

 

bull####.  Killing people in the streets because you were "trying to protect private property" that you have no connection with will bring charges every single time as it should.

Not when culture infiltrates policy.  
 

Culture wars are why this case was brought.  
 

Death threats for the judge, defense, defendant, and jury.   Jury intimidation from activists, INCLUDING activist media.  
 

Case never should have been brought.   Case should have been open and shut in deliberations.    The reason it was brought, and the (likely) reason the jury took so long is due to the intimidation/threats they were very aware of. 
 

The ****ing POTUS called Rittenhouse a white supremacist. 
 

For a stronger point.. I used to be open to M4A.  Never again, after I’ve seen how so many supporters of M4A either support, or acquiesce, to government mandates and pressure over covid vaccination.   I can appreciate the theory of Medicare For All, but I will never support it after seeing the culture surrounding vaccination and how one side of the aisle has been willing to become authoritarian in an instant.  That’s far too much power for people who want to punitively hurt those who disagree with them. 
 

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by SCBills

[Numark3]

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Nice analogy there. 🙄

 

Arresting him and charging while things were sorted out is how it is and should be done. 
 

This was, in my mind anyway, not a clear cut case of self defense.  

it is a good analogy.  It forces you to understand your point was wrong.  You can disagree that it was clear cut self-defense, that’s fine.  What was silly was saying people who discharge guns and kill people should always get charged.

 

and arresting and charging people with the crimes while you sort stuff out is actually not how it is normally done. Nor how it should be done.  And that’s your misunderstanding here. 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Crayola64

[unbillievable]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Nice analogy there. 🙄

 

Arresting him and charging while things were sorted out is how it is and should be done. 
 

This was, in my mind anyway, not a clear cut case of self defense.  

He should never have been charged

 

He should have been detained for questioning, pending an investigation.

 

The DA should have figured out this is text book self defense and let him go if they actually did their job.

 

 

[Numark3]

Just now, unbillievable said:

He should never have been charged

 

He should have been detained for questioning, pending an investigation.

 

The DA should have figured out this is text book self defense and let him go if they actually did their job.

 

 

Exactly.  Thinking people should be arrested and charged with crimes while the government figures out if a crime has been committed is insanity and ass backwards.  
 

people should be charged with crimes…wait for it…when the government believes a crime has been committed and is willing to prosecute it.

 

 

here, that video alone results in no charges under any scenario that is not politics.  

[unbillievable]

28 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

 Its pretty much the reason why we pay people to patrol the streets with guns...

 

The mayor told the police to stand down and let the city burn.

 

 

[Doc]

Justice was done.  Hopefully it's a lesson to many.