Bills announce no fans for 1st 2 home games

[JerseyBills]

I think the Mafia is going to show out in the lots . Bring air horns and all types of noise making objects . Pretty sure they'd hear us

[Logic]

15 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I think the Mafia is going to show out in the lots . Bring air horns and all types of noise making objects . Pretty sure they'd hear us

The lots won't be open.

Orchard Park voted not to allow tailgating of any kind around Bills games.

[Ned Flanders]

I hope they can somehow get Pinto Kenny inside...maybe even as stadium crew.  Need to keep the Ripken-esque streak alive.

[Mickey]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

There is no reason to go this far with it. They could allow spread out fans and mandate masks, it would be fine.

 

I can think of about 170,000 reasons but I defer to your epidemiology degree and your supernatural ability to read the future. I assume you spend most of your time in Vegas beating the house.

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Cool, blue state people get to live and red state people get infected. 

do they, though?

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, teef said:

#orangelivesmatter?

teef, I am sick of your blatant racism towards orange skinned people....you are trivialising our agenda..errr I mean cause... You sir, can take your hash tag and cram it up your rear end!!! 

 

Sorry, I just felt the need to tell you to insert something in your rear and didn't know how else to bring it up...

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

There is actually a pretty serious liability concern.  The Bills would be responsible for enforcing mask rules. Regardless of their efforts, if a person is spotted without a mask, the Bills are subject to civil penalties. You let in thousands of fans, you could be setting yourself up to serious liability. 

 

I would bet you my right arm it has more to do with that than health concerns. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He thinks Milano is easy on the eyes.

I concur, I'll slurp his spaghetti and meatballs any day!!!

 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

The lots won't be open.

Orchard Park voted not to allow tailgating of any kind around Bills games.

ECDOH shut it down.  OP, stunningly, was going to allow it until Polo got wind of it and (smartly) shut it down. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by SectionC3

[Mr Info]

I am flying to BUF anyway...visit family there & watch a win.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Mr Info

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Mickey said:

 

I can think of about 170,000 reasons but I defer to your epidemiology degree and your supernatural ability to read the future. I assume you spend most of your time in Vegas beating the house.

 

There is practically no danger if people are spread out and wearing masks. That is what the science shows. Even in New York restaurants and businesses are open, you just have to wear a mask. If fans can't enter the stadium for safety reasons, everything should be shut down.

[Green Lightning]

2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

They should tack on a few more or maybe the whole season while they are 

 

If you think fan presence has any impact.  That’s a fable.

 

 

 

 

 

Ever been to a game? 

[Mickey]

19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

There is practically no danger if people are spread out and wearing masks. That is what the science shows. Even in New York restaurants and businesses are open, you just have to wear a mask. If fans can't enter the stadium for safety reasons, everything should be shut down.

 

Yes, the science shows that maintaining 6 feet apart significantly reduces the risk.

 

How do you keep 6 feet apart and still get from the aisle to your seat while squeezing past everyone else seated in that row between the aisle and your seat? Personal hovercraft?

 

Does the science say that brief, up close interaction with others poses "practically no danger"? Are fans going to keep their masks on while cheering and yelling and whooping it up over a big play? A bad call? How about the fans who have had a few too many beers? How many times does a fan, on average get in and out of their seat to use the bathroom, get food or another cold drink? Comparing a stadium of 20-30 thousand people with a 10 table restaurant in the east village is, I don't know, maybe not the fairest comparison ever. I am not saying no way, no how but I am also not convinced that there is "no reason" to worry and that there is "practically no danger". 

 

I listened to a podcast the other day with the Dolphin's front office guy in charge of trying to make things safe for some fans. All the things they are doing are pretty impressive but he never explained how people would get back and forth to their seats or how they stay 6 feet apart in the aisle. Ditto how on earth they are going to police the maskless morons who will no doubt be in attendance, wearing masks just long enough to get in.

[Green Lightning]

4 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

 

I think there's about 175,000 reasons not to allow fans into games.  But don't let that stand in the way of reason and prudence

I just had dinner at a restaurant,  inside, no masks at the tables six feet apart, that’s okay. I can go the the gym soon, use the same equipment everybody else is touching, that's okay. Soon I can  even take a group exercise class in a room with others six feet apart but breathing hard, that's okay. I can protest with hundreds of others, that's okay. But I can't sit outside, in a mask, with 13,000 people in a stadium built for 70,000?  

[Just Jack]

2 hours ago, Ned Flanders said:

I hope they can somehow get Pinto Kenny inside...maybe even as stadium crew.  Need to keep the Ripken-esque streak alive.

 

It's Kenny's record, he can decide whether it continues even if he's not inside, or if it's officially ended. 

 

 

14 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Ditto how on earth they are going to police the maskless morons who will no doubt be in attendance, wearing masks just long enough to get in.

 

Simple, you're spotted not wearing a mask, get confronted by security with a choice, put it back on, or leave. 

[RiotAct]

there’s zero percent chance of him physically attending the game (unless he is invited by the organization or sneaks in disguised as an employee... ?)... so I would think the record would stand guilt-free.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

You're 6' apart in a restaurants,  indoors w/o masks now for Christ sake. You'd be masked-up, and spread out in the stadium pius you're outside. With proper spacing there's no reason we can't have fans. This is just stupid.

 

6' apart in restaurants indoors without masks may not be such a safe thing. 

https://fortune.com/2020/08/25/covid-outbreak-starbucks-seoul-masks-employees/?fbclid=IwAR3XBb_2qMeZM_NmmWGRM26cLENyXiEqQOkAPZ3VuWGA54_8qOFnetQ2Suo

I'm not gonna be eating indoors in a restaurant any time soon myself. 

 

Do you feel fans would keep their masks on?  Would they be screaming and shouting?  Getting drunk and whups there goes the mask?

 

I don't know if it can be done safely.   

I frankly think "Bills Mafia" reputation for hard-drinking and hard-core noisy enthusiastic fandom is being kind of held against us here.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

Simple, you're spotted not wearing a mask, get confronted by security with a choice, put it back on, or leave. 

 

Do you feel that would work?  Honest question - I don't know what it's like with mask wearing in NYS, really.  We traveled across the Southern Tier then from Finger Lakes to B'lo in late May.  At truck stops and rest stops and on the street, saw very few people masked up, including indoors.

 

In Missouri, what you propose 100% wouldn't.  Most people in Missouri have not "bought in" to masks outside a few limited areas.  We have county and city council meetings that would do Florida Man and "Things Gotta Breathe" woman proud, even while the ICUs are at 100% and the hospitals are filling up in rural areas with limited capacity.

 

One security guard is relatively helpless against 100 or 1000 people who look at him when he tells them to put their mask on or leave like "not gonna happen, bub".  If it's 1 or 2 people - sure. 

 

So how do you get to the ponit where it's for reals likely to be 1 or 2 people, and not 100 or 1000 or 13000?

[RiotAct]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you feel that would work?  Honest question - I don't know what it's like with mask wearing in NYS, really.  We traveled across the Southern Tier then from Finger Lakes to B'lo in late May.  At truck stops and rest stops and on the street, saw very few people masked up, including indoors.

 

In Missouri, what you propose 100% wouldn't.  Most people in Missouri have not "bought in" to masks outside a few limited areas.  We have county and city council meetings that would do Florida Man and "Things Gotta Breathe" woman proud, even while the ICUs are at 100% and the hospitals are filling up in rural areas with limited capacity.

 

One security guard is relatively helpless against 100 or 1000 people who look at him when he tells them to put their mask on or leave like "not gonna happen, bub".  If it's 1 or 2 people - sure. 

 

So how do you get to the ponit where it's for reals likely to be 1 or 2 people, and not 100 or 1000 or 13000?

Do you live in Western NY?  Compliance is pretty much 100% here in businesses that require masks, which is every single one... I’m out in stores quite a bit (at least 4x a week).  I’ve seen maybe two guys in the last month not wearing a mask.

 

 

Nevermind, saw you’re in Missouri.  Are ICUs really still at capacity in the state?   Dang.

Edited August 26, 2020 by RiotAct

[Green Lightning]

24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

6' apart in restaurants indoors without masks may not be such a safe thing. 

https://fortune.com/2020/08/25/covid-outbreak-starbucks-seoul-masks-employees/?fbclid=IwAR3XBb_2qMeZM_NmmWGRM26cLENyXiEqQOkAPZ3VuWGA54_8qOFnetQ2Suo

I'm not gonna be eating indoors in a restaurant any time soon myself. 

 

Do you feel fans would keep their masks on?  Would they be screaming and shouting?  Getting drunk and whups there goes the mask?

 

I don't know if it can be done safely.   

I frankly think "Bills Mafia" reputation for hard-drinking and hard-core noisy enthusiastic fandom is being kind of held against us here.

 Honestly not everybody's in idiot. I think generally people respect rules and regulations and in a smaller group with more supervision would be fine.  I think we need to expect the best from people.  I honestly expect they would understand that they represent all of us and behave accordingly.