Big Turk Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, SWATeam said: This line of thinking is often parroted and makes sense, but why do teams with great D's often have subpar offenses? Shouldn't these great defenses make their O's better in practice? It's rare to see a team that excels at both. Typically because they have a lot more salary cap $ tied up in the D
PrimeTime101 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 no. he practices regularly against an amazing defense that is there to compete butthere to help josh on decision making to.. no.. it does not hurt.
Rc2catch Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 The only thing holding josh back is mechanics and his footwork. He can get those reps in his backyard. Reading defenses and making adjustments is a lot of film work and maturity. This weird offseason shouldn’t have any different effects on his progression. 1
rayray808 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 hopefully Daboll is dialing up quick hitters to get the ball out of his hands to guys with YAC appeal - completion % will go up - the 300 yard passing game curse will be lifted 1 1
Kwai San Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, rayray808 said: hopefully Daboll is dialing up quick hitters to get the ball out of his hands to guys with YAC appeal - completion % will go up - the 300 yard passing game curse will be lifted Once he gets past the 300yd curse methinks a lot of his issues will fade into the past...a whole ton load of people me included are hung up on that 300yd plus game. To me once he gets to that level he will hopefully stop overthinking things are it will be more organic for him.....
H2o Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 10 hours ago, LB48 said: Every NFL team is faced with the same situation this year with no opponent team scrimmages or pre-season games. Josh needs work on pocket presence, retreating backwards trying to escape a pass rush and a relatively slow release while reading a defense. Can these obvious negative attributes be corrected by basically playing catch with your receivers and a limited pass pressure from your teammates during this camp??? I hope maturity will help! Uhhhhh, no. The preseason means nothing for Allen. He faces one of the NFL's 3 best defenses in practice every single day. He'll be just fine when the regular season bullets start flying.
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Maybe a little. There is probably some value of camp and practice but he really will only learn when the games are real and at full speed.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, H2o said: Uhhhhh, no. The preseason means nothing for Allen. He faces one of the NFL's 3 best defenses in practice every single day. He'll be just fine when the regular season bullets start flying. Reps matter. Reps against your team's defense; reps against another team's defense; reps against different styles of defense; reps in a game day setting with fans. Will he be fine? Maybe, but the preseason definitely does matter. Edited August 25, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands 1
H2o Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Reps matter. Reps against your team's defense; reps against another team's defense; reps against different styles of defense; reps in a game day setting with fans. Will he be fine? Maybe, but the preseason definitely does matter. How many reps does a team's Franchise QB usually get in the preseason? Maybe one full game's worth? 4 quarters of football in a meaningless setting is really not going to do much for him. Also, with McDermott being the defensive mind he is, I'm sure he has our defenses simulating other teams' concepts used previously that caused Josh issues. He's not taking the hits he typically would with a normal preseason slate, but I surely believe they are preparing him for what he will face down the road to the best of their abilities.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, H2o said: How many reps does a team's Franchise QB usually get in the preseason? Maybe one full game's worth? 4 quarters of football in a meaningless setting is really not going to do much for him. Also, with McDermott being the defensive mind he is, I'm sure he has our defenses simulating other teams' concepts used previously that caused Josh issues. He's not taking the hits he typically would with a normal preseason slate, but I surely believe they are preparing him for what he will face down the road to the best of their abilities. Thats like 60 to 70 reps. How much better (or more comfortable) are you after 60 to 70 reps? And its 4 games of preparation, even if he is only playing a quarters worth of snaps. Being at the stadium at a certain time, preparing your body in a certain way, getting your routine right. It changes the dynamic of the game. Sure, McDermott can simulate other teams. But he does it with the same guys Allen practiced against all month. Guys that have tendencies that Allen is intimately familiar with. And, super important, Allen isn't getting hit. He is the first to tell people that he doesn't feel comfortable in a game until he gets hit. It definitely matters. 1
H2o Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Thats like 60 to 70 reps. How much better (or more comfortable) are you after 60 to 70 reps? And its 4 games of preparation, even if he is only playing a quarters worth of snaps. Being at the stadium at a certain time, preparing your body in a certain way, getting your routine right. It changes the dynamic of the game. Sure, McDermott can simulate other teams. But he does it with the same guys Allen practiced against all month. Guys that have tendencies that Allen is intimately familiar with. And, super important, Allen isn't getting hit. He is the first to tell people that he doesn't feel comfortable in a game until he gets hit. It definitely matters. We'll just agree to disagree. I have full confidence in our staff to get him prepared for the regular season and I believe that the missed preseason this year doesn't hinder his development in any way. Edited August 25, 2020 by H2o
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Once he gets past the 300yd curse methinks a lot of his issues will fade into the past...a whole ton load of people me included are hung up on that 300yd plus game. To me once he gets to that level he will hopefully stop overthinking things are it will be more organic for him..... What does a 300 yard game in a loss prove? There is zero correlation between 300 yard passing games and wins. Give me 225 yards, no interceptions, and a win. 2
Warcodered Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said: What does a 300 yard game in a loss prove? There is zero correlation between 300 yard passing games and wins. Give me 225 yards, no interceptions, and a win. Right at this point the only reason I want him to hit 300 in a game is so people will shut up about it.. 1 2
machine gun kelly Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 It kind of doesn’t matter as there is nothing that can be done about it for all 32 starting QB’s are dealing with the same problem. Even 20 year veterans like Brady, Rivers of 17 years are on new teams. Rookie QB’s are going to be most challenged as their first pro football snap is in their first real game. Then there are QB’s that have little if any coordination with these shiny new rookie WR’s. At least Allen is very used to Brown, Beasley, Singletary, Knox, and he has a two time 1000 yard pro the last two years in Diggs. Enough the building in of excuses by a few. The glass is half full not empty.
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Thats like 60 to 70 reps. How much better (or more comfortable) are you after 60 to 70 reps? And its 4 games of preparation, even if he is only playing a quarters worth of snaps. Being at the stadium at a certain time, preparing your body in a certain way, getting your routine right. It changes the dynamic of the game. Sure, McDermott can simulate other teams. But he does it with the same guys Allen practiced against all month. Guys that have tendencies that Allen is intimately familiar with. And, super important, Allen isn't getting hit. He is the first to tell people that he doesn't feel comfortable in a game until he gets hit. It definitely matters. I think you are both correct. The reps and the preparation have some value. But the value is minimal compared to regular season experience. And I'd argue that practice reps when working on a particular play or skill are far far more important than anything done in pre-season. Nobody would argue pro-bowl reps are of value and the same goes for meaningless preseason games.
Royale with Cheese Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Yes. We should start Barkley all year. 2
Don Otreply Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 No more than any other 3rd year player imo. Not that the additional reps are not important, but I believe that Josh will get past it by the end of the day tomorrow, he will handle it just fine. Go Bills!!!
HappyDays Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Game 1 against the Jets will be our preseason game. Their 2 best defensive players are gone. It's a perfect game to start a weird season.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I think you are both correct. The reps and the preparation have some value. But the value is minimal compared to regular season experience. And I'd argue that practice reps when working on a particular play or skill are far far more important than anything done in pre-season. Nobody would argue pro-bowl reps are of value and the same goes for meaningless preseason games. Except coaches, of course.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 12 hours ago, LB48 said: Yes - I agree. Just wish he got more work against other teams! TBH I think the "work against other teams" aspect of preseason games is overrated. Most teams don't game-plan on either offense or defense. Stars and established vets don't want to get hurt and start the season on IR, so there's a little edge taken off. Rookies have commented how it ratchets up between preseason and regular season games. I think preseason games may actually give coaches and younger players a false sense of security - as when Peterman (and the coaches) thought he could make those throws based on preseason, but at actual regular season game speed, he couldn't. Hopefully they'll have come up with some way to simulate game speed and get Josh focused on the time frame where he needs to make a decision.
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