LB48 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Every NFL team is faced with the same situation this year with no opponent team scrimmages or pre-season games. Josh needs work on pocket presence, retreating backwards trying to escape a pass rush and a relatively slow release while reading a defense. Can these obvious negative attributes be corrected by basically playing catch with your receivers and a limited pass pressure from your teammates during this camp??? I hope maturity will help! 1
rayray808 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I like what I have seen so far TBH. A good day at practice, followed by a bad day where the defense is collapsing on him, only to come back the following day improved. It's all we can ask for at this point figuring we have one of the best defenses in the league ?♂️ 1
LB48 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, rayray808 said: I like what I have seen so far TBH. A good day at practice, followed by a bad day where the defense is collapsing on him, only to come back the following day improved. It's all we can ask for at this point figuring we have one of the best defenses in the league ?♂️ Yes - I agree. Just wish he got more work against other teams!
mjt328 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I don't think it will make much difference. We usually do one scrimmage (which is no more than a glorified practice) against another team each year. And if you add up all of his normal preseason time, you are usually talking about one full game of action. Most mechanical improvements (like when Allen is working with Jordan Palmer) are made during offseason training, before the team even gets together. Training camp is more for physical conditioning, implementing the playbook, developing timing with teammates, etc. Preseason is for gradually getting into game speed. According to the reporters watching training camp, Allen's mechanics (especially on those deep throws) have looked cleaner from Day 1. Hopefully he doesn't slip back into old habits once the real bullets start flying, and the pressure is on. 2 1
nucci Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 6 hours ago, LB48 said: Every NFL team is faced with the same situation this year with no opponent team scrimmages or pre-season games. Josh needs work on pocket presence, retreating backwards trying to escape a pass rush and a relatively slow release while reading a defense. Can these obvious negative attributes be corrected by basically playing catch with your receivers and a limited pass pressure from your teammates during this camp??? I hope maturity will help! He's very good at avoiding the rush and scrambling to make plays 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 No more than any other camps. He missed a day in camp. Is it disastrous? I don't think so. 1
Bulldog Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 No more effect on Josh Allen than any other NFL Player - everyone is in the same boat on this. The circumstances of this strange NFL Off-season are not unique to the Bills or Josh Allen. 1 1 1
Shaw66 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 7 hours ago, LB48 said: Every NFL team is faced with the same situation this year with no opponent team scrimmages or pre-season games. Josh needs work on pocket presence, retreating backwards trying to escape a pass rush and a relatively slow release while reading a defense. Can these obvious negative attributes be corrected by basically playing catch with your receivers and a limited pass pressure from your teammates during this camp??? I hope maturity will help! Learning the position is cumulative. Reps, reps, more reps, film study, games, more reps, etc. So yes, Josh is missing something with reduced work. But he is still learning. I'm not too worried. If Josh jas what it takes, 2020 wont keep him from succeeding over his career. 3
machine gun kelly Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 To put in context, guys like Joe Burrow, Tua, etc. have a much more difficult time. Allen has played two pre-seasons, amd two regular seasons, and a couple of years with Palmer in the off season. Does it stink, sure, but he’s going into his third year. 5
Maynard Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Maybe some yes. The good thing is Josh is facing off against a top 5 D every day! 1
machine gun kelly Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Don’t forget we also face the Jets, Dolphins, Rams, and Raiders to start the season so it’s not like we start with the Seahawks, 49ers, Chiefs, and Patriots. 3
FireChans Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Lol gotta love the preempting of excuses. The Bills defense mechanism is real
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 9 hours ago, LB48 said: Yes - I agree. Just wish he got more work against other teams! This could be said by a fan of any of the other guys from his class though--that's why ultimately I'm not that worried about it. Darnold, Mayfield & the rest are all operating within the same prep parameters.
MJS Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 He isn't a rookie. He knows how to play in games. Allen needs to improve his field awareness (reading the defense) and decision making. That comes from watching film, studying, and playing real games. I don't think playing a few series in preseason matters all that much for his development. Playing the REAL games is what will help him the most.
ROCBillsBeliever Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 @LB48 : I think the more significant question is HOW MUCH the COVID training camp will set Josh back, versus other QB's. That's where McD and Beane, and the staff around the team play a major role. We have put together an incredibly adept staff, and they plan hard for a multitude of outcomes. Think back to the Wrecks-led joke of a staff we had a few years back... There are teams out there with Wrecks-like staffs (cough... cough... J-E-S-T-S)... Those are the teams whose QB's will be set back MORE than ours by the COVID camp. Go Bills!
Big Turk Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 no more than it would any other teams QB. Everyone is in the same boat. 1
Malazan Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 9 hours ago, LB48 said: Every NFL team is faced with the same situation this year with no opponent team scrimmages or pre-season games. Josh needs work on pocket presence, retreating backwards trying to escape a pass rush and a relatively slow release while reading a defense. Can these obvious negative attributes be corrected by basically playing catch with your receivers and a limited pass pressure from your teammates during this camp??? I hope maturity will help! How much of the covid did you drink?
Big Turk Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, LB48 said: Every NFL team is faced with the same situation this year with no opponent team scrimmages or pre-season games. Josh needs work on pocket presence, retreating backwards trying to escape a pass rush and a relatively slow release while reading a defense. Can these obvious negative attributes be corrected by basically playing catch with your receivers and a limited pass pressure from your teammates during this camp??? I hope maturity will help! He potentially faces the best defense in the NFL every day...I am sure that helps. Games should be a lot easier. Edited August 25, 2020 by matter2003
Mango Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Isn't this the exact situation everybody was clamoring for when he entered the league. Don't rush him. He needs to sit back, learn, and work on fully ingraining his new mechanics. Without OTA's and the nation wide quarantine earlier in the year, all he could do was work on mechanics and footwork. Also, not playing 6 quarters over 4 pre-season games are 100% not setting Josh back at all. If it does, I think we have bigger issues. 1
Andrew Son Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, matter2003 said: He potentially faces the best defense in the NFL every day...I am sure that helps. Games should be a lot easier. This line of thinking is often parroted and makes sense, but why do teams with great D's often have subpar offenses? Shouldn't these great defenses make their O's better in practice? It's rare to see a team that excels at both. 1
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