SectionC3 Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: If that's what works, I'm all for it. I think the biggest question mark regarding that combination, was the health of Darryl Williams. It the Bills get a positive answer, then they're set on the right side. Ty Nsekhe becomes the obvious swing tackle in reserve. The only major question left becomes interior depth. There's too much of it. They would likely go into the season with 8 offensive linemen on the 53 man roster. If Williams and Ford nail down the right side, while Spain and Dawkins on the left and Morse in the middle. Nsekhe makes 6, and there's room for 2 more. Obviously at least one of those and preferably both have position flexibility between center and both guard spots. Competing veterans include Boehm, Boettger and Winters. First or second year interior linemen include Bates and Harrell, Clearly, Beane will try to trade somebody. I'm guessing the Bills may keep one veteran backup and one youngster, probably Ryan Bates because of his wide position flexibility. Winters is obviously starter quality, but I don't know how much center he's ever played. I think they’re going to keep 9. Feliciano has to make the final 53 to get on IR-eligible to return, right? If that’s the case, and if they think Feliciano can make it back this year, then we might see 10 (incl. Feliciano) stay on cutdown day, with Feliciano to IR the next day. I kind of wonder if Bates, Winters, and Boehm/Boettger will round out that group of 9. We could always release a veteran likely to return and go light in a given position group for a day (e.g., T.J. Yeldon, or Croom if they IR/stash Sweeney and go 3 TE to start the year). As an aside, why Yeldon is a lock to make this team is beyond me. I guess it’s only because the Bills like to have a vet in each position group. 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Why not let them dress everyone? I agree with you in theory. The idea is that a healthy team with a deeper roster would have an advantage over a banged-up team in your scenario.
GunnerBill Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: The new rules will allow them to dress 8 OL. I do agree that the flexibility is good. I think require them actually.
ColoradoBills Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Doc said: Why not let them dress everyone? 6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: I think they’re going to keep 9. Feliciano has to make the final 53 to get on IR-eligible to return, right? If that’s the case, and if they think Feliciano can make it back this year, then we might see 10 (incl. Feliciano) stay on cutdown day, with Feliciano to IR the next day. I kind of wonder if Bates, Winters, and Boehm/Boettger will round out that group of 9. We could always release a veteran likely to return and go light in a given position group for a day (e.g., T.J. Yeldon, or Croom if they IR/stash Sweeney and go 3 TE to start the year). As an aside, why Yeldon is a lock to make this team is beyond me. I guess it’s only because the Bills like to have a vet in each position group. I agree with you in theory. The idea is that a healthy team with a deeper roster would have an advantage over a banged-up team in your scenario. C3, yes that is one of the reasons for not dressing everyone. The other main reason I have also read about is if a team can dress all 53 it would tend to have teams want to get rid of "nicked up" players (especially guys lower down the roster) for healthy players. With the new rules on being able to dress 2 more players (1 being an OL position which means every team will dress 8) there will be times later in the season where most of the guys not dressing will be dinged up.
GunnerBill Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: As an aside, why Yeldon is a lock to make this team is beyond me. I don't think he is anything close to a lock. At this point he more likely is off the team than on it IMO. Singletary and Moss will be the 1-2 punch and Taiwan Jones will supplant Yeldon as the receiving back because he is going to be their starting gunner on special teams. 2
ColoradoBills Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think require them actually. Yes, you are right.
Warcodered Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think he is anything close to a lock. At this point he more likely is off the team than on it IMO. Singletary and Moss will be the 1-2 punch and Taiwan Jones will supplant Yeldon as the receiving back because he is going to be their starting gunner on special teams. This might throw a wrench in Taiwan Jones doing that. Injury report has him down with a knee injury. https://www.localsyr.com/sports/buffalo-bills/bills-training-camp-injury-report-august-24th/ 1
thebandit27 Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Yes, you are right. Ferguson wears an OL number, so he probably counts...which gives any team smart enough to have their LS wear a number in the 50-70 range a lineup advantage. 1
SectionC3 Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think he is anything close to a lock. At this point he more likely is off the team than on it IMO. Singletary and Moss will be the 1-2 punch and Taiwan Jones will supplant Yeldon as the receiving back because he is going to be their starting gunner on special teams. I’m with you. I just don’t see the need for Yeldon, particularly when retaining that insurance policy could cost us a promising young player we might otherwise be able to stash for a year (e.g., Sweeney, Darryl Johnson, Hodgins).
ColoradoBills Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Ferguson wears an OL number, so he probably counts...which gives any team smart enough to have their LS wear a number in the 50-70 range a lineup advantage. Wow, very interesting point. I'm not sure but these long snappers have a LS designation on the roster and the CBA says OL so get the lawyers. LOL.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 I think Ford moving to RG was a easy call. Just like moving Dawkins to LG. Dawkins is a slightly above average LT but would probably be a pro bowl LG.
thebandit27 Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Wow, very interesting point. I'm not sure but these long snappers have a LS designation on the roster and the CBA says OL so get the lawyers. LOL. “The 2020 Bills will be bucking trends and going without a long snapper for the season. In completely unrelated news, Reid Ferguson appears to be handling his transition to 3rd string center so well that the team expects him to be their 8th active OLman on game day.” 1 1
Buffalo716 Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: The Dawkins guard people were and are out of their minds, Dawkins is a tackle, is built like a tackle, and his film says tackle. If you go back and watch Ford at OU I just thought it screamed guard because of what a bruiser he is, plus he tends to play with a lower center of gravity in spite of the fact that he is around the same height as Dawkins. I do agree tackles are coming out more raw and need to be developed, I just dont think that was the case with Ford. His body type, arm length, and style of play doesnt look like a long term fit at tackle regardless of coaching. He doesn't have incredibly quick feet which causes him to lunge, which makes his shorter arms more of an issue. I think its a very good move, and he may end up a pro bowler because of it. I have watched every snap of Ford at Oklahoma he was a better tackle than guard, that is why I think he needs to have time to develop at tackle, because he has a high ceiling he was a fifth-round guard prospect on my board, his senior season at tackle turned him into a borderline first-round pick 7 hours ago, BarleyNY said: That’s a terrible comparison. Joe Thomas actually had kinda short arms for an OT. He had amazing technique and very quick feet. He was a totally different kind of player. It’d be great if Ford has solidified the RG spot - and Williams RT. We’d have four of the five OL spots locked down for next season and we could look to extend Williams to lock down the fifth. That’s such a big step forward from a few weeks ago with Dawkins unsigned past this season and the right side totally unsettled. I’m not taking the report as gospel quite yet, but I’m happy to hear positive information. The OL coming together would be huge. I never said he was like Joe Thomas. Somebody said he had short arms for a tackle, and he doesn't. He has average arm length, longer arms and Joe Thomas. And Ford has very quick feet And I watched every single snap of Cody Ford at Oklahoma. His play was much better at tackle than guard, which is why I say he needs development His guard play was not amazing at Oklahoma. It was good. He was about a 5th 6th round pick imo when he changed to right tackle and his play picked up tremendously https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/cody-ford Reading this, some slightly different opinions from scouts. And his footwork is inconsistent, but everybody says he has very quick feet, is a tremendous athlete, and should be slotted at tackle first because his size and athleticism All three of those scouts say guard should be a fall back, and I saw the same thing when I was scouting him. He just has so much talent that you need to try him at tackle, until it fails Edited August 24, 2020 by Buffalo716
Paup 1995MVP Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 14 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I honestly didn't realize he was 27. If he could stay healthy he definitely has a chance to regain form and be a good player in this league And that would be a real find for Beane. Our RT's over the years have been less then stellar.
thenorthremembers Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: I have watched every snap of Ford at Oklahoma he was a better tackle than guard, that is why I think he needs to have time to develop at tackle, because he has a high ceiling he was a fifth-round guard prospect on my board, his senior season at tackle turned him into a borderline first-round pick I never said he was like Joe Thomas. Somebody said he had short arms for a tackle, and he doesn't. He has average arm length, longer arms and Joe Thomas. And Ford has very quick feet And I watched every single snap of Cody Ford at Oklahoma. His play was much better at tackle than guard, which is why I say he needs development His guard play was not amazing at Oklahoma. It was good. He was about a 5th 6th round pick imo when he changed to right tackle and his play picked up tremendously https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/cody-ford Reading this, some slightly different opinions from scouts. And his footwork is inconsistent, but everybody says he has very quick feet, is a tremendous athlete, and should be slotted at tackle first because his size and athleticism All three of those scouts say guard should be a fall back, and I saw the same thing when I was scouting him. He just has so much talent that you need to try him at tackle, until it fails Agree to disagree on this one. Just a different perspective, but I think we agree he has all the talent in the world to turn into a great olineman.
Buffalo716 Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: Agree to disagree on this one. Just a different perspective, but I think we agree he has all the talent in the world to turn into a great olineman. Of course Men with his size with his strength shouldn't move how he moves Edited August 24, 2020 by Buffalo716
thenorthremembers Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Of course Men with his size with his strength shouldn't move how he moves Thats the biggest thing that impressed me about him. His ability to pull and get around the end is incredible.
Locomark Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 23 hours ago, Warcodered said: Ford on DT and Williams on DE subtle way of saying their positions without actually saying it. I have hoped all along that Williams could be the RT. It’s time to end the Cody Ford RT experiment if he will be an above average guard but just an average RT. Go for it.
Saxum Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 14 hours ago, CSBill said: In addition, I think this gives the Bills some trade bate. It would surprise no one if, like last year, one or two of the back-ups is traded for a draft pick in the late camp days. When was the last time the Bills had that kind of depth? Last year.
Mat68 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I think they liked Feliciano and Ford as a combo and attitude. With the loss of Feliciano I think Ford gives the line that attitude. At guard I think he will flurish. With a healthy Williams the online looks pretty solid.
Saxum Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Doc said: Why not let them dress everyone? This has been explained many times. If you dress all you expect all to play and what happens when someone gets dinged for a few weeks is the player gets replaced. Same with players with less experience they get released rather than developed with team hoping to re-sign them but other teams sign them. That is actually how Bills got Steve Tasker - he was released for a game because his team needed space for another player and Bills grabbed him.
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