The Odds of Dying from COVID-19

[dubs]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

 By the Time this occurred he had already alienated almost everyone. He had shown a disrespect to states, CDC etc and had lost his time...He could have been honest with the public, protected them on his tv presentations, detailed a safe plan, stuck to it rather than abdicate. He could have disagreed with Florida, Texas, Arizona etc and protected his voters and citizens. Even voicing his displeasure would have been effective. Their plans were flawed. 

He could have dropped the dems vs rep issue for the sake of the country and 175000 deaths. He could have brought people together to help protect one another rather than separate. He could have forcefully accepted science.

He could have been consistent. He could have stopped the foolish hydroxie thing. He could have shown love and concern for all citizens. 

Instead he played politics. 175000 and counting.

Is this enough...I am sure you will 100% disagree and point fingers at others...but trump shows he is no Reagan  Nixon or Bush.

so you’re saying Trump is responsible for 175,000 deaths from covid?  What would you say would be the death toll if Hillary was President?  0 I’m assuming. 

[ziltoid]

4 minutes ago, dubs said:

so you’re saying Trump is responsible for 175,000 deaths from covid?  What would you say would be the death toll if Hillary was President?  0 I’m assuming. 

No, all the NY deaths were ok, but those red states deaths down yonder are all avoidable. Because maga hats.

Edited August 24, 2020 by BeerLeagueHockey

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

 By the Time this occurred he had already alienated almost everyone. He had shown a disrespect to states, CDC etc and had lost his time...He could have been honest with the public, protected them on his tv presentations, detailed a safe plan, stuck to it rather than abdicate. He could have disagreed with Florida, Texas, Arizona etc and protected his voters and citizens. Even voicing his displeasure would have been effective. Their plans were flawed. 

He could have dropped the dems vs rep issue for the sake of the country and 175000 deaths. He could have brought people together to help protect one another rather than separate. He could have forcefully accepted science.

He could have been consistent. He could have stopped the foolish hydroxie thing. He could have shown love and concern for all citizens. 

Instead he played politics. 175000 and counting.

Is this enough...I am sure you will 100% disagree and point fingers at others...but trump shows he is no Reagan  Nixon or Bush.

Thanks for the lack of answer. Your opinion has no basis in fact and your only opinion seems to be " orange man bad". You speak of Florida and Texas as if they are in the same echelon of death as NY and NJ. As for dropping the Dems issue he gave NY more support than any other state and it is not even close. So I ask you one last time and beg you to answer a direct question- what would real leadership look like? But please bring up W again  because it means you are dishonest to your core, I argued with idiots like you about how he was not a Nazi or evil and now you pretend to appreciate his diplomacy? 

Did the white supremacists Richard Spencer just endorse Biden because Trump has failed to suppress the black man? 

[KD in CA]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Tell me about it. My wife was diagnosed with early stages of diabetes so the medical industry started pumping her full of pills, most of which had significant side effects. She went to an organic holistic doctor who within just six months got her off all but one medication and even that was at a reduced dose. All of her symptoms and vitals have returned to near normal. Modern medicine is a 100% total racket! 

 

Pretty much.  When a standard question is now "what are your prescriptions?", you know we've gone off the deep end on the pharma drugs.

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Thanks for the lack of answer. Your opinion has no basis in fact and your only opinion seems to be " orange man bad". You speak of Florida and Texas as if they are in the same echelon of death as NY and NJ. As for dropping the Dems issue he gave NY more support than any other state and it is not even close. So I ask you one last time and beg you to answer a direct question- what would real leadership look like? But please bring up W again  because it means you are dishonest to your core, I argued with idiots like you about how he was not a Nazi or evil and now you pretend to appreciate his diplomacy? 

Did the white supremacists Richard Spencer just endorse Biden because Trump has failed to suppress the black man? 

You are pathetic. Unable to use your thought processes. We are talking leadership and you talk some idiot called Spencer. Some incidental ass in history who has his moment of fame long ago.

Cannot talk real ideas and issues...I addressed your questions you respond with the ultament BS. Richard Spenser,.....omg. we discuss trump leadership and you bring in such fucn shtt. I thought there was intelligent thought here...NOT!

Join the Rhino basement team.

trump's leadership is a failure...own it. He has allowed the country to burn in virus and racial issues. He is the President and is incapable of leading thru these issues

Hope the world treats you well Timmy. 

34 minutes ago, dubs said:

so you’re saying Trump is responsible for 175,000 deaths from covid?  What would you say would be the death toll if Hillary was President?  0 I’m assuming. 

She is not pres, trump is and has failed.

Fucc Hilary, trump is in power...this is his problem, 

He cannot abdicate his office...He owns the Oval Office...and ran with politics rather than love America and all his citizens. He choose politics over America.

You should seriously think about what other President would have done this.

[Orlando Buffalo]

36 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

You are pathetic. Unable to use your thought processes. We are talking leadership and you talk some idiot called Spencer. Some incidental ass in history who has his moment of fame long ago.

Cannot talk real ideas and issues...I addressed your questions you respond with the ultament BS. Richard Spenser,.....omg. we discuss trump leadership and you bring in such fucn shtt. I thought there was intelligent thought here...NOT!

Join the Rhino basement team.

trump's leadership is a failure...own it. He has allowed the country to burn in virus and racial issues. He is the President and is incapable of leading thru these issues

Hope the world treats you well Timmy. 

 

I As for Richard Spencer your right he is insignificant but he was a big deal to the left when he liked Trump before he was president. Secondly I am not interested in your opinion anymore because I asked 4 times a simple straight forward questions and 4 times you called me names like my 10 year old does to her brother when she loses an argument. Lastly i appreciate you wanting me to well, which I assure you my life is great, living near Disney World in a gated neighborhood where my taxes are low but my kids school is better than almost any public school in NY or Canada makes life nice. 

[Niagara Bill]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I As for Richard Spencer your right he is insignificant but he was a big deal to the left when he liked Trump before he was president. Secondly I am not interested in your opinion anymore because I asked 4 times a simple straight forward questions and 4 times you called me names like my 10 year old does to her brother when she loses an argument. Lastly i appreciate you wanting me to well, which I assure you my life is great, living near Disney World in a gated neighborhood where my taxes are low but my kids school is better than almost any public school in NY or Canada makes life nice. 

Living in a gated community....hahaha....

You have said nothing intelligent that supports trump. His leadership is a failure...you refuse to consider no matter what I have said.

You hide behind gates to protect your family from the guns and violence he has failed to address. Yes, this environment has been around for a long time, but he has divided the country more and it us worse now,

I wish you and family well, just do not be duped by this guy, he does not lead....

I am well in Canada.. and plan to stay this way...Merci mon ami! 

[dubs]

56 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

 

She is not pres, trump is and has failed.

Fucc Hilary, trump is in power...this is his problem, 

He cannot abdicate his office...He owns the Oval Office...and ran with politics rather than love America and all his citizens. He choose politics over America.

You should seriously think about what other President would have done this.

what are you talking about!?

 

im asking a simple question. If anyone but Trump was in office, what do you think the death toll from Covid in the US would be?  

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

 

You should seriously think about what other President would have done this.

Another President would have said all the nice, comforting things you crave.

 

And there would still be 175,000 deaths.

 

You are living in a fantasy land if you believe otherwise.

[Orlando Buffalo]

15 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Living in a gated community....hahaha....

You have said nothing intelligent that supports trump. His leadership is a failure...you refuse to consider no matter what I have said.

You hide behind gates to protect your family from the guns and violence he has failed to address. Yes, this environment has been around for a long time, but he has divided the country more and it us worse now,

I wish you and family well, just do not be duped by this guy, he does not lead....

I am well in Canada.. and plan to stay this way...Merci mon ami! 

Actually my entire town is very safe, very little crime and we average about 20 murders a decade and we have a large minority community which is just as safe as I am. It is not minorites that make an areas dangerous but liberals that do.

[Niagara Bill]

31 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Another President would have said all the nice, comforting things you crave.

 

And there would still be 175,000 deaths.

 

You are living in a fantasy land if you believe otherwise.

You my friend are delirious.... talk is cheap...fact us trump failed his country and citizens...more deaths per capita...for the self appointed #1 nation with the #1 health system that trump failed to listen to.

trump could not lead himself to a brothel. The fantasy for you would have been 17,500 deaths...if he did his job as a leader. Too late for too many.

In a long line of Republican Presidents since WW2....He is by far the worst...Dwight D. /Nixon/Reagan/Bushes were much better leaders. 

This guy loves only two things...himself and money.

A total leadership failure...and the supporters cannot see how he is destroying the once #1 country in the world...Obama started the spiral downward, trump has accelerated it.

[dubs]

12 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

You my friend are delirious.... talk is cheap...fact us trump failed his country and citizens...more deaths per capita...for the self appointed #1 nation with the #1 health system that trump failed to listen to.

trump could not lead himself to a brothel. The fantasy for you would have been 17,500 deaths...if he did his job as a leader. Too late for too many.

In a long line of Republican Presidents since WW2....He is by far the worst...Dwight D. /Nixon/Reagan/Bushes were much better leaders. 

This guy loves only two things...himself and money.

A total leadership failure...and the supporters cannot see how he is destroying the once #1 country in the world...Obama started the spiral downward, trump has accelerated it.

you think the US should have been limited to 17,500 deaths from Covid?  
 

Again: Can you please explain how many deaths you think the US should have had if someone suited to be president was in office?  0? 17,500? 100,000?

 

im waiting. 
 

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by dubs

[Doc]

As I said, Hilly (who was the other choice, not Joe or anyone else) would have been worse because she would have kept the borders open longer.  All the other issues still would have been there.

[Niagara Bill]

11 minutes ago, dubs said:

you think the US should have been limited to 17,500 deaths from Covid?  
 

Again: Can you please explain how many deaths you think the US should have had if someone suited to be president was in office?  0? 17,500? 100,000?

 

im waiting. 
 

 

Can you please explain how you can not see how trump has not failed...you only see the other alternative, dems.

Can you not see that he is just not helped the country get thru this pandemic.

Can you not see how he ran to the politics, solution and failed the Oval Office.

Wow,...do not say what would Hilary or Obama done...

Just focus on trump.  

dubs..you have been on this site for a long time...asking me to explain is like asking Jauron failed. Marv was a leader, Jauron showed no leadership. Kelly was a leader, Bledsoe was not.  

When the game was on the line trump turned to politics not his full citizenship that he was responsible for. He allowed others to stop him, Pelosi, govenors etc, he blamed, not led. He spent his presidential goodwill on insults and bully around the country and world. He has no supporters left...for fucc sake Kelly Ann just bailed. 

 

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

As I said, Hilly (who was the other choice, not Joe or anyone else) would have been worse because she would have kept the borders open longer.  All the other issues still would have been there.

Wow...at what point does justifying failure of trump stop hiding behind 4 years ago and Hilary....

Dick Jauron beat Belichek once too.... do I need to explain his failures.

[dubs]

7 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Can you please explain how you can not see how trump has not failed...you only see the other alternative, dems.

Can you not see that he is just not helped the country get thru this pandemic.

Can you not see how he ran to the politics, solution and failed the Oval Office.

Wow,...do not say what would Hilary or Obama done...

Just focus on trump.  

dubs..you have been on this site for a long time...asking me to explain is like asking Jauron failed. Marv was a leader, Jauron showed no leadership. Kelly was a leader, Bledsoe was not.  

When the game was on the line trump turned to politics not his full citizenship that he was responsible for. He allowed others to stop him, Pelosi, govenors etc, he blamed, not led. He spent his presidential goodwill on insults and bully around the country and world. He has no supporters left...for fucc sake Kelly Ann just bailed. 

 

Wow...at what point does justifying failure of trump stop hiding behind 4 years ago and Hilary....

Dick Jauron beat Belichek once too.... do I need to explain his failures.

I’m honestly trying to put your assessment of failure into context. It’s really a simple question. I’m not looking for a precise number but an estimate. You’re on record blaming every Covid death on Trump. So I’m just wondering how many deaths youd expect if someone of your choosing was president. It’s just hypothetical obviously, but helps put things into context. 
 

 

 

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Wow...at what point does justifying failure of trump stop hiding behind 4 years ago and Hilary....

Dick Jauron beat Belichek once too.... do I need to explain his failures.

 

You misunderstand.  I'm saying any President would have "failed" given what has transpired.  If Trump weren't President...it would have been Hilly.

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

You my friend are delirious.... talk is cheap...fact us trump failed his country and citizens...more deaths per capita...for the self appointed #1 nation with the #1 health system that trump failed to listen to.

trump could not lead himself to a brothel. The fantasy for you would have been 17,500 deaths...if he did his job as a leader. Too late for too many.

In a long line of Republican Presidents since WW2....He is by far the worst...Dwight D. /Nixon/Reagan/Bushes were much better leaders. 

This guy loves only two things...himself and money.

A total leadership failure...and the supporters cannot see how he is destroying the once #1 country in the world...Obama started the spiral downward, trump has accelerated it.

 

At this point you can't even form coherent sentences so that's a good indication you've become too emotional and are spending too much energy on this topic.

 

Then again, if you really believe we'd have had 90% fewer deaths with a different figurehead, maybe you are just that wacked out of your mind.

[KD in CA]

46 minutes ago, dubs said:

I’m honestly trying to put your assessment of failure into context. It’s really a simple question. I’m not looking for a precise number but an estimate. You’re on record blaming every Covid death on Trump. So I’m just wondering how many deaths youd expect if someone of your choosing was president. It’s just hypothetical obviously, but helps put things into context. 

 

 

He answered it above:  17,500.  90% fewer. All Trump had to do was tell people to 'wear masks and stop traveling' and magically:

 

a) the tens of millions of people who don't trust anything the government says, refuse to stay home or wear masks, would have immediately trusted the government, stayed home and worn masks,  and

b) the tens of millions of people who have gone bat-**** crazy every single day since Trump was elected would have listened, complied and said "Great job Mr President, thank you for saving us!!"

 

 

When it comes to drugs, delusion makes LSD look like child's play.

[Bakin]

3 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

You my friend are delirious.... talk is cheap...fact us trump failed his country and citizens...more deaths per capita...for the self appointed #1 nation with the #1 health system that trump failed to listen to.

trump could not lead himself to a brothel. The fantasy for you would have been 17,500 deaths...if he did his job as a leader. Too late for too many.

In a long line of Republican Presidents since WW2....He is by far the worst...Dwight D. /Nixon/Reagan/Bushes were much better leaders. 

This guy loves only two things...himself and money.

A total leadership failure...and the supporters cannot see how he is destroying the once #1 country in the world...Obama started the spiral downward, trump has accelerated it.

WRONG

Basically everything is wrong except this is statistically incorrect. Many other countries with higher deaths per 100k

[Warcodered]

5 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

He answered it above:  17,500.  90% fewer. All Trump had to do was tell people to 'wear masks and stop traveling' and magically:

 

a) the tens of millions of people who don't trust anything the government says, refuse to stay home or wear masks, would have immediately trusted the government, stayed home and worn masks,  and

b) the tens of millions of people who have gone bat-**** crazy every single day since Trump was elected would have listened, complied and said "Great job Mr President, thank you for saving us!!"

 

 

When it comes to drugs, delusion makes LSD look like child's play.

It's not some magic ***** bullet, but it really doesn't feel that complicated  though I guess it is when you get down into the details. Broadly speaking what was the point of the States shutting down?(Which apparently they had to do themselves for some ***** reason)

 

The point of the shutdown was to slow the spread of the virus and this did two things it helped keep it from overwhelming hospitals in the short term and it gave us time. So what do we need time for I mean we could try and hold out for the vaccine but that was going to take a while and shutting down ***** our economy. The other thing we could do was test the ***** out of the virus until we can get a handle on it and get to the point where we can use testing and contact tracing to wrestle the damn thing down.

 

But we didn't do that we basically held our breath for a while ***** our economy that way and then opened up thinking it was somehow going to be magically better now even though that made no ***** sense.