Alphadawg7 Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) Saw this article and did a search on the board and nothing came up. So thought I would share it. Ingram situation is interesting given a lot of teams cant afford to trade for him if LAC were to decide to move him. This articles lists Bills second behind the Pats as a possible trade partner. Curious what you guys would think of this trade they are proposing... Melvin Ingram III and a 7th round pick for Ty Nsheke and a 5th round pick. Damn, our D would be nasty...I do like Ty though and his versatility. Its interesting though because Ingram is in the last year of his deal. He wants a new deal, so I personally do not think Beane is going to be interested in this given his age of 31, wanting a new deal, and having our own players we still need to resign over the next couple of years. But, that being said, I think we could afford to trade Ty if it brought back an impact player like this and our already sick defense would get even better. I think its not a realistic scenario personally for the reasons I already stated, but certainly would be an exciting one if Beane did manage to pull a trade off for him. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2905243-potential-trade-packages-landing-spots-for-chargers-holdout-melvin-ingram-iii Edited August 21, 2020 by Alphadawg7 1 2
SCBills Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 Hard pass. Given the possibility of Ford moving inside to RG and the fact we already have a strong DL, I’m not sure why we’d move Nsehke for a guy like Ingram. If we’re trying to upgrade the DL and willing to pay someone, go young and trade for Ngakoue. 3
Alphadawg7 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Posted August 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No more 30 plus edge players FFS. I dont disagree with this...but at 31, if we had him for just this season or even a 2 year extension, I think he would still have a high level of production to go with our other 2 young LB's. Again, I was never proposing we make the trade, nor do I even think it would ever happen anyway. And the reasons I mentioned it wouldn't happen were age and money. 7 minutes ago, SCBills said: Hard pass. Given the possibility of Ford moving inside to RG and the fact we already have a strong DL, I’m not sure why we’d move Nsehke for a guy like Ingram. If we’re trying to upgrade the DL and willing to pay someone, go young and trade for Ngakoue. Ingram is an outside LB though, so we would field Edmunds, Milano and Ingram potentially if this trade happened (which I do not think it ever will like I said in my original post). 6 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Pass. I most likely would too, although adding him to Edmunds and Milano for this season would certainly make the defense on paper look like the best in the NFL. But for me, the offense is the most important side of the ball, and I like Ty a lot and his versatility. So I think ultimately I would probably pass too unless we could bring in Ingram for just the 5th round pick. 1
Brennan Huff Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 I’m on board. Get it done OBD. The way I see it, we have a 3 year window to win NOW. Add as much talent as you can
GunnerBill Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I dont disagree with this...but at 31, if we had him for just this season or even a 2 year extension, I think he would still have a high level of production to go with our other 2 young LB's. Again, I was never proposing we make the trade, nor do I even think it would ever happen anyway. And the reasons I mentioned it wouldn't happen were age and money. Ingram is an outside LB though, so we would field Edmunds, Milano and Ingram potentially if this trade happened (which I do not think it ever will like I said in my original post). I most likely would too, although adding him to Edmunds and Milano for this season would certainly make the defense on paper look like the best in the NFL. But for me, the offense is the most important side of the ball, and I like Ty a lot and his versatility. So I think ultimately I would probably pass too unless we could bring in Ingram for just the 5th round pick. I suppose they could try him in the sort of hybrid role they used Zo in during 2018 and 2019 (that they actually stumbled across almost by accident in the Jaguars playoff game). He isn't gonna come here and play as an orthodox 3rd linebacker in a 43 base though. He doesn't have the game to do that. My instinct is in our system he is a defensive end. Edited August 21, 2020 by GunnerBill 3
BullBuchanan Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Saw this article and did a search on the board and nothing came up. So thought I would share it. Ingram situation is interesting given a lot of teams cant afford to trade for him if LAC were to decide to move him. This articles lists Bills second behind the Pats as a possible trade partner. Curious what you guys would think of this trade they are proposing... Melvin Ingram III and a 7th round pick for Ty Nsheke and a 5th round pick. Damn, our D would be nasty...I do like Ty though and his versatility. Its interesting though because Ingram is in the last year of his deal. He wants a new deal, so I personally do not think Beane is going to be interested in this given his age of 31, wanting a new deal, and having our own players we still need to resign over the next couple of years. But, that being said, I think we could afford to trade Ty if it brought back an impact player like this and our already sick defense would get even better. I think its not a realistic scenario personally for the reasons I already stated, but certainly would be an exciting one if Beane did manage to pull a trade off for him. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2905243-potential-trade-packages-landing-spots-for-chargers-holdout-melvin-ingram-iii I love the idea if the staff feels like Josh is going to be a top 5 QB in the AFC. Ty Nsheke is probably playing in his last few seasons of pro ball, and his last year of his contract, and I don't think our success as a team hinges on him being here. getting 7-10 more sacks however could very well be the difference Edited August 21, 2020 by BullBuchanan
DrDawkinstein Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 He's a 3/4 Rush OLB, that means he's a DE in our defense. Heck, he's listed as a DE on the Chargers site. We're good on 30+ year old DEs. 1
BullBuchanan Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: He's a 3/4 Rush OLB, that means he's a DE in our defense. Heck, he's listed as a DE on the Chargers site. We're good on 30+ year old DEs. Why? Outside of Hughes and Addison, what have they done lately?
GunnerBill Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: He's a 3/4 Rush OLB, that means he's a DE in our defense. Heck, he's listed as a DE on the Chargers site. We're good on 30+ year old DEs. Yea I think he would have to be. Like I said above they did do a good job of creating a kind of hybrid role for Zo to play linebacker while only ever moving vertically and not laterally and maybe Ingram could do that. But to me in this system Ingram is a defensive end. 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: Why? Outside of Hughes and Addison, what have they done lately? I think the point is we want fewer old d ends not more.
DrDawkinstein Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: Why? Outside of Hughes and Addison, what have they done lately? 2 is enough. Plus, Murphy will be 30 before the season is done. Need to start nailing that position down for the future. Epenesa is a good start.
BullBuchanan Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I think he would have to be. Like I said above they did do a good job of creating a kind of hybrid role for Zo to play linebacker while only ever moving vertically and not laterally and maybe Ingram could do that. But to me in this system Ingram is a defensive end. I think the point is we want fewer old d ends not more. 30-32 isn't old. You can still put up prime numbers as a full time D end. I'm not saying you sign him to a 10 year deal, but you sign him for 3 with the intent of keeping him 2, and I'm fine with that. If one of the kids wants his job, let them take it. Edited August 21, 2020 by BullBuchanan
GunnerBill Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Epenesa isn't a pass rusher. 30-32 isn't old. You can still put up prime numbers as a full time D end. I'm not saying you sign him to a 10 year deal, but you sign him for 3 with the intent of keeping him 2, and I'm fine with that. If one of the kids wants his job, let them take it. When the wall hits for pass rushers it hit quick as a rule. I did a breakdown on it last offseason before Hughes re-signed. I didn't love that deal either. If the Bills want to strengthen the position there are better options than another 30 plus
Rc2catch Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 I wouldn’t care if they traded Nsekhe for him. Both are older. I wouldn’t want to give him a contract though. Play out your last year on another top defense and get your payday next year. If I had to guess the chargers would need Nsekhe a lot more than we need Ingram. If I had to guess Nsekhe would be the starting left tackle for them, I’ve never heard of the guy they have listed at starter. Either way it’s probably all just smoke. And as much as I hate it Ingram would be a much better fit on the Pats defense than ours.
DrDawkinstein Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 Just now, HappyDays said: Another potential option: This guy, AGAIN?? Didnt we lose out on him last year?
billsfan89 Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 With the addition of AJ I am OK with what the team has. Murphy as a rotational DE is fine, Hughes and Addision are good starters and AJ comes in and adds depth.
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