scuba guy Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Logic said: He was the 4th ranked kick returner and 7th ranked punt returner in the NFL last season. He made the Pro Bowl. You keep saying he’s washed up as a returner, but the stats simply don’t back that up. Its fine that you don’t value special teams, but the coaches do. I bet Roberts makes the team. I think you have to look at how many fumbles Roberts had last year and the valve coach puts on vets in key rolls. And than look back and see what happened berfore we had Roberts. 2
eball Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Doesn’t seem to be any concern about Edmunds hip. I guess I’m relieved..?♂️ I think the SOP at this point is that if there is anything "nagging" they will err on the side of giving them time off. Tremaine gets to rest today and tomorrow and get whatever treatment he can. Norman is the guy I'm potentially concerned about b/c hammies can be minor and then they can stick around all year... 3
Logic Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Gotta love Horrible Harry! If he comes back strong from injury, it’ll be a huge boost to the D-line. 1 1
Doc Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Been saying it for months now..... Roberts could be a surprise cut. But everyone thinks hes still the Roberts of 2016. His longest punt return last year was 22 yards. 8 yard avg. What 32 years old? Do you keep him and put Hodgins on the PS to possibly be scooped up? Then have to drop Roberts to place Hodgins on the 53, or who do you drop? Can McKenzie return punts? McKenzie is solid on the fly sweeps and made some big plays periodically last year on the field..... I still say: Diggs Brown Beasley Davis McKenzie Hodgins But but Roberts is respected in the ST room. 8 yard avg last year, was 14 the year before.... IMO NFL teams are not scared of Roberts in 2020. I think they are looking and building returners for a possible replacement. 90% of the time its a fair catch anyway..... Roberts is coming off a Pro Bowl season. No way they cut him.
Just Joshin' Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Logic said: He was the 4th ranked kick returner and 7th ranked punt returner in the NFL last season. He made the Pro Bowl. You keep saying he’s washed up as a returner, but the stats simply don’t back that up. Its fine that you don’t value special teams, but the coaches do. I bet Roberts makes the team. Stop using facts.....wait, I see the user name. Carry on. 2
eball Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, Logic said: Gotta love Horrible Harry! If he comes back strong from injury, it’ll be a huge boost to the D-line. The line is already a beast...totally one of the strengths of the team. Harry playing like he was starting to last season will make it that much better. 1
CEN-CAL17 Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Logic said: He was the 4th ranked kick returner and 7th ranked punt returner in the NFL last season. He made the Pro Bowl. You keep saying he’s washed up as a returner, but the stats simply don’t back that up. Its fine that you don’t value special teams, but the coaches do. I bet Roberts makes the team. I show 9th in the NFL, 6th overall in AFC.... yes he was 4th in the League in kickoff returns.... with a 26 yd avg. So everyone is in love with his 8 yard punt return avg. (long of 22 yards) and getting field position 6 yards further in the kick return game. When he actually brings it out. Like I said. I just see it differently. 1
MJS Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Logic said: He was the 4th ranked kick returner and 7th ranked punt returner in the NFL last season. He made the Pro Bowl. You keep saying he’s washed up as a returner, but the stats simply don’t back that up. Its fine that you don’t value special teams, but the coaches do. I bet Roberts makes the team. Keep him just for the peace of mind that he isn't going to cost the team. I'm sick of holding my breath on kick offs and punts. 2
rayray808 Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 need to know if Josh had a poopy day again or not... my friday beer mood depends on it
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 I think Roberts brings a sense of stability to our return game that doesn’t make me cringe that someone else is going to mess it up. I’d be surprised if he gets cuts. I think we possibly over value Mackenzie if anything. 2
ColoradoBills Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: I think Roberts brings a sense of stability to our return game that doesn’t make me cringe that someone else is going to mess it up. I’d be surprised if he gets cuts. I think we possibly over value Mackenzie if anything. I was the one bringing up the punt return observation. What I thought was interesting was Brown and Wallace out there with Roberts instead of Hyde and McKenzie. 1. McKenzie wasn't fielding punts (in this clip). If he is not in the mix for punt returns his value and chances to make the team drops IMO. Why keep a guy for jet sweeps when Diggs can do it. 2. John Brown fielding punts. Why? He did do return work in 2016 for ARZ and did pretty good. He's the #2 WR now so is it that far fetched that they asked him to give it a try again and he said "for sure, I can do that". Actually the same goes for Levi Wallace. 3. If the roster gets tight, IF, and there are players who can either field punts and/or kickoffs maybe, just maybe Roberts isn't a lock. I liked the Roberts signing last year but without a real big year from him (like 2018 for the Jets) will he get re-signed next year? Like I said it was just an observation.
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I was the one bringing up the punt return observation. What I thought was interesting was Brown and Wallace out there with Roberts instead of Hyde and McKenzie. 1. McKenzie wasn't fielding punts (in this clip). If he is not in the mix for punt returns his value and chances to make the team drops IMO. Why keep a guy for jet sweeps when Diggs can do it. 2. John Brown fielding punts. Why? He did do return work in 2016 for ARZ and did pretty good. He's the #2 WR now so is it that far fetched that they asked him to give it a try again and he said "for sure, I can do that". Actually the same goes for Levi Wallace. 3. If the roster gets tight, IF, and there are players who can either field punts and/or kickoffs maybe, just maybe Roberts isn't a lock. I liked the Roberts signing last year but without a real big year from him (like 2018 for the Jets) will he get re-signed next year? Like I said it was just an observation. Very true. I agree about McKenzie and his value. And yes like you say if they have a guy in mind other than him to fill the role he could be out. I wouldn’t risk J Brown in any circumstance, cause stupid things happen out there. like Brandon says it’s great to be at a point where you have to make some tough roster decisions! the top four are a lock. Do we roll with six or seven? Foster I think is effectively done and if we believe McKenzie value is low, thats another who could be out. 1
Doc Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 My main gripe about Roberts is too many times he brought the kick off out of the Endzone when he was way deep in it. And I’d rather they didn’t have to keep a spot just for him but he’s a pro bowler so like I said, they’re not cutting him.
ColoradoBills Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: Very true. I agree about McKenzie and his value. And yes like you say if they have a guy in mind other than him to fill the role he could be out. I wouldn’t risk J Brown in any circumstance, cause stupid things happen out there. like Brandon says it’s great to be at a point where you have to make some tough roster decisions! the top four are a lock. Do we roll with six or seven? Foster I think is effectively done and if we believe McKenzie value is low, thats another who could be out. Great point and something none of us are use to. 1
Andrew Son Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I show 9th in the NFL, 6th overall in AFC.... yes he was 4th in the League in kickoff returns.... with a 26 yd avg. So everyone is in love with his 8 yard punt return avg. (long of 22 yards) and getting field position 6 yards further in the kick return game. When he actually brings it out. Like I said. I just see it differently. I guess you miss worrying about one of our scrubs back there muffing a punt. 1
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Paul Costa said: I don’t get the McKenzie love. He’s ok. I think Bills will keep 7 WR. 1.Diggs 2.Brown 3. Beasley 4. Davis 5. Duke ( having great camp) 6. Hodgins 7. Roberts what does McKenzie give you but the jet sweep. Foster could replace Duke or Hodgins if he can run jet sweep. Excellent ST player and had great second half of season as a rookie. Good chemistry with Josh in 2018. Who is the backup slot receiver? 1
JMF2006 Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 Quinton Jefferson on his impressions of WNY so far: “You guys got some great food!” Easy big man we need you in game shape 24 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Who is the backup slot receiver? One of our 4 punters or maybe kickers
JMF2006 Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, SWATeam said: I guess you miss worrying about one of our scrubs back there muffing a punt. He sure does have great hands. He also saves yards by reading the punt and not letting it bounce in most cases. 4
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