JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:03 PM, Richard Noggin said: Got a credible citation for that stat? Expand Got a credible citation that its not true? 1
Chris from Rochester Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 4:07 PM, Jauronimo said: I'm guessing everything is pretty easy to you. Expand If you're afraid to go to a tailgate, stay home. Who are you to stop people from living life? 1
DrDawkinstein Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) On 8/19/2020 at 5:06 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Got a credible citation that its not true? Expand That's not how it works and you know it. On 8/19/2020 at 4:49 PM, RiotAct said: Yep! And pulling on that thread a little further, you can tailgate outdoors with distancing and masks pretty easily. So there ya go. Expand Yes, a very good point. And one I'm not against, if you can ensure people will be wearing their masks properly and consistently. Are you confident that is what will happen at a Bills tailgate in OP? Remind me, does NY/Erie County/Buffalo/OP have a mask mandate when in public? If so, that's an easy answer. Have the Sheriffs hand out fines for not wearing a mask. Edited August 19, 2020 by DrDawkinstein
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) On 8/19/2020 at 5:12 PM, DrDawkinstein said: That's not how it works and you know it. Expand To say that even a majority of protestors wore masks at those protests flies in the face of reality. Im exaggerating a bit - I think its safe to say, however, a substantial percentage did not wear masks. Edited August 19, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands
LB3 Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:14 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: To say that even a majority of protestors wore masks at those protests flies in the face of reality. Expand Don't believe your eyes. 1
WEATHER DOT COM Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 Already got a kick ass backyard tailgate planned, though. Menu, layout, decor, playlist, outdoor furniture - ready for the opener. Even have a bag of charcoal downstairs with some label tape that says "Save for 9/13." 2
LeviF Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:14 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: To say that even a majority of protestors wore masks at those protests flies in the face of reality. Expand Around here at least, anecdotally, most of the daytime protestors at the pre-organized events were masked. The nighttime "protestors," erm, not so much. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:14 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: To say that even a majority of protestors wore masks at those protests flies in the face of reality. Expand On 8/19/2020 at 5:15 PM, LB3 said: Don't believe your eyes. Expand We can all post pics all day. JAHBH made the assertion. Back it up.
RiotAct Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:12 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Yes, a very good point. And one I'm not against, if you can ensure people will be wearing their masks properly and consistently. Are you confident that is what will happen at a Bills tailgate in OP? Expand Yes.
Jauronimo Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:08 PM, Chris from Rochester said: If you're afraid to go to a tailgate, stay home. Who are you to stop people from living life? Expand On 8/19/2020 at 5:15 PM, LB3 said: Don't believe your eyes. Expand If you count the people in this picture wearing masks vs. those who aren't you may find a majority are wearing masks. Most of the ones not wearing masks have them pulled down around their chins. Another version. Believe your eyes but check your math. 2
DrDawkinstein Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:20 PM, RiotAct said: Yes. Expand Have you been to a Bills tailgate?
LB3 Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:17 PM, DrDawkinstein said: We can all post pics all day. JAHBH made the assertion. Back it up. Expand ? That we could. My favorite was the video of the protest in Chicago a month or so ago that turned into a dance off. Some good twerking! 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:17 PM, DrDawkinstein said: We can all post pics all day. JAHBH made the assertion. Back it up. Expand First, this isnt a court of law. There are no burdens. Second, even a single picture demonstrating masks were not worn establishes the point - at least some (half was an unprovable assertion on my part, hence my edit) did not wear masks. There are thousands of pics on the internet right now conclusively showing tens of thousands of protestors did not wear masks at those rallies. On 8/19/2020 at 5:16 PM, LeviF91 said: Around here at least, anecdotally, most of the daytime protestors at the pre-organized events were masked. The nighttime "protestors," erm, not so much. Expand I believe that 1
LB3 Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:21 PM, Jauronimo said: If you count the people in this picture wearing masks vs. those who aren't you may find a majority are wearing masks. Most of the ones not wearing masks have them pulled down around their chins. Another version. Believe your eyes but check your math. Expand I count 14-15 in masks. Some aren't clear on my phone. 2 have masks on but their noses out. 9 without masks on. I wouldn't count that as "most" wear masks. I also don't see social distancing.
Jauronimo Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:22 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: First, this isnt a court of law. There are no burdens. Second, even a single picture demonstrating masks were not worn establishes the point - at least some (half was an unprovable assertion on my part, hence my edit) did not wear masks. There are thousands of pics on the internet right now conclusively showing tens of thousands of protestors did not wear masks at those rallies. Expand So we went from all, to most, to half, to some, but then back to tens of thousands??
RiotAct Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:27 PM, LB3 said: I count 14-15 in masks. Some aren't clear on my phone. 2 have masks on but their noses out. 9 without masks on. I wouldn't count that as "most" wear masks. I also don't see social distancing. Expand yep they’re packed in like sardines... at your traditional outdoor tailgate people don’t stand that close together by a long shot (unless it’s close to the Pinto Ron van for the ketchup and mustard ceremony or something).
DrDawkinstein Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:28 PM, Jauronimo said: So we went from all, to most, to half, to some, but then back to tens of thousands?? Expand He's really perfected that Gish Gallop from following the top minds of TurningPoint USA.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:28 PM, Jauronimo said: So we went from all, to most, to half, to some, but then back to tens of thousands?? Expand I never said all. It didnt even occur to me that anyone would challenge that so many protestors were not wearing masks, so I didnt think precise language was needed. Frankly, the claim buggers belief. Was it tens of thousands? Obviously. Was it “most” or “half?” Well, now that we are splitting hairs over inconsequential details, I have to acknowledge I have no way of knowing the percentage. Thus, I backed away from those claims. Again, the exact percentage is inconsequential when its so obvious that a substantial number of people werent wearing masks.
Jauronimo Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 5:27 PM, LB3 said: I count 14-15 in masks. Some aren't clear on my phone. 2 have masks on but their noses out. 9 without masks on. I wouldn't count that as "most" wear masks. I also don't see social distancing. Expand You wouldn't count a majority as most? 4 of the 9 are wearing masks, but have them around their necks and chins. Count that however you'd like. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/world/asia/george-floyd-protest-global.html
Gordio Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 4:25 PM, DrDawkinstein said: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335 https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#1808ddde23dc https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge It's actually pretty simple... Protests: Outdoors, distancing, lots of masks Bars: Indoors, closely gathered, no masks Expand Hmm, okay then why can't fans be allowed in an outdoor stadium? 1
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