Doc Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 Funny how just 4 years prior, the Russians were Barry's friends. He scoffed at Romney claiming they were the US's biggest geopolitical threat and even asked for them to not to do anything provocative until after he won re-election. But once Hilly loses... 2 1
ChiGoose Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Thanks for the wonderful example of "authentic PPP gibberish" Reminder: The entire Russian\Trump Collusion kerfuffle has been proven false Multiple times But those who have invested all their efforts and have nothing else will continue to " cling to" ( a little Barack lingo there) this hoax. . I mean, it hasn’t. At all. Sure, there are lefties who made ridiculous claims like Trump was taking orders from Putin or that everything in the Steele Dossier was true. People like to jump at the juicy gossip without actually verifying it first. But the actual crux of the matter, that Russia was interfering in the 2016 election and that the Trump campaign was trying to work with them? That’s 100% proven as true. Multiple times. Denying that is just ignorance. 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) https://redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/12/12/dan-bongino-discovers-critical-new-information-ig-report-actions-crossfire-hurricane-team-n122563 Summary of link quoted below, but again as many here have been saying all along, if 17 egregious mistakes are all due to simple bumbling FBI agents then I've got great Nebraska oceanfront property to sell you. The biggest "mistake" being an FBI attorney changing an email that says "Carter Page is a CIA asset" to "Carter Page is NOT a CIA asset" and then presented it to a FISA judge to get a warrant. The same agent who altered evidence above also has a text message stating "viva la resistance" in reference to Trump. sure, just innocent mistakes! The FBI spied on Carter Page and George Papadopoulos both before and after they were affiliated with the Trump campaign. The FBI initially tried to obtain FISA warrants to spy on both Carter Page and George Papadopoulos. On August 15th, the FBI’s OGC refused both, saying there was insufficient probable cause. The CIA sent a memo to the FBI in August 2016 to inform them that Carter Page was working for them, that he was not a Russian spy. “The insurance policy was the FBI knowingly lying and manipulating about Carter Page pretending he wasn’t an asset for the CIA, but an asset for the Russians. And manipulating emails to make a FISA judge believe what were benign, mundane contacts with Russians and some that were not benign, but were on behalf of a U.S. government mission were actually evidentiary data points that Carter Page was a U.S. spy worthy of spying on.” Why was the FBI spying on George Papadopoulos before he was named as a Trump advisor? As analysts dig deeper into the IG report, Michael Horowitz’ conclusion that the FBI had sufficient cause to open their counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign becomes more difficult to believe. The FBI is a highly selective agency and it can be assumed that anyone who has passed muster possesses a reasonably high level of intelligence. This doesn’t make them immune to mistakes. However, it does provide a certain amount of assurance that errors will be kept to a minimum. Similar to James Comey’s exoneration statement of Hillary, the IG lists one egregious deed after another, then tells us they were unintended. To quote Hillary Clinton, the acceptance of the countless “mistakes” and the “poor judgement” of top-level FBI officials outlined in the IG report requires the willing suspension of disbelief. Edited January 27, 2023 by BillsFanNC
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, ChiGoose said: I mean, it hasn’t. At all. Sure, there are lefties who made ridiculous claims like Trump was taking orders from Putin or that everything in the Steele Dossier was true. People like to jump at the juicy gossip without actually verifying it first. But the actual crux of the matter, that Russia was interfering in the 2016 election and that the Trump campaign was trying to work with them? That’s 100% proven as true. Multiple times. Denying that is just ignorance. This. It was an integral part of the Mueller report, ignored by Barr and the right at the risk of our democracy. Russia wanted trump to win but more importantly wanted/wants to destroy American democracy. The two are intertwined. Fortunately, Russia is getting its ass handed to it in Ukraine and has more pressing priorities right now, like remaining a relevant global power. Edited January 27, 2023 by redtail hawk 1
SoCal Deek Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 I’ll keep saying it. There wasn’t a single US voter in 2016 that didn’t know those two candidates, and who didn’t make a purposeful decision to vote for their preference. Not a single one! The Russians had absolutely nothing to do with it. If you want to know what REALLY happened; the Clinton team promoted Trump through the primaries because they thought they could take him out once they got to the debate stage, as an inexperienced buffoon against the former Secretary of State. It didn’t work…because well over half the country cannot stand Hillary Clinton. Period! 1
BillStime Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 8:59 AM, Chris farley said: Is it getting rough seeing all the stories fall apart?
Tiberius Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 15 hours ago, Doc said: Funny how just 4 years prior, the Russians were Barry's friends. He scoffed at Romney claiming they were the US's biggest geopolitical threat and even asked for them to not to do anything provocative until after he won re-election. But once Hilly loses... It was before the election, actually. But don’t let the facts get in your way.
Doc Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I’ll keep saying it. There wasn’t a single US voter in 2016 that didn’t know those two candidates, and who didn’t make a purposeful decision to vote for their preference. Not a single one! The Russians had absolutely nothing to do with it. If you want to know what REALLY happened; the Clinton team promoted Trump through the primaries because they thought they could take him out once they got to the debate stage, as an inexperienced buffoon against the former Secretary of State. It didn’t work…because well over half the country cannot stand Hillary Clinton. Period! Yup. And Trump gave Russian nothing and vice versa. Russia was and has been looking for the US to tear itself apart from within. I'll keep saying that the Dems did it for them far better than they ever could have done themselves. 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: It was before the election, actually. But don’t let the facts get in your way. Yes. You can read. Good job.
Orlando Buffalo Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 16 hours ago, ChiGoose said: I mean, it hasn’t. At all. Sure, there are lefties who made ridiculous claims like Trump was taking orders from Putin or that everything in the Steele Dossier was true. People like to jump at the juicy gossip without actually verifying it first. But the actual crux of the matter, that Russia was interfering in the 2016 election and that the Trump campaign was trying to work with them? That’s 100% proven as true. Multiple times. Denying that is just ignorance. Russia meddling in US election is true- they wanted to weaken whoever the president was and they found willing idiots all over the place.
ChiGoose Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Russia meddling in US election is true- they wanted to weaken whoever the president was and they found willing idiots all over the place. Yup and that is definitely worth investigating.
SoCal Deek Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 The 1980s just called….they want their world order back. 1
Tiberius Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 The Russians called and want a meeting a Trump Tower. They got it, of course. Paul Manafort was there, too. Working both for Putin and Trump. That's a fact
Doc Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The Russians called and want a meeting a Trump Tower. They got it, of course. Paul Manafort was there, too. Working both for Putin and Trump. That's a fact And the meeting was about how to steal the election? And the solution was a few million in FB ads that did nothing to sway anyone's opinion?
ChiGoose Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 36 minutes ago, Doc said: And the meeting was about how to steal the election? And the solution was a few million in FB ads that did nothing to sway anyone's opinion? It was about the Russians saying they had dirt on Hillary. The right thing to do would be to decline and report the offer to the FBI. But the Trump campaign took the meeting instead.
B-Man Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 Column: Time for truth and reconciliation on the Russia collusion hoax BY MICHAEL BARONE Jan 22, 2023 What are “the major problems this country faces”? Writing in The Atlantic, New York Times columnist David Brooks leads off his list with “inequality, political polarization, social mistrust” before concluding with the inevitable “climate change.” Today’s “inequality,” he notes, is as “savage” as the inequality in the 1890s. That was a decade in which the U.S. didn’t have much of a welfare state safety net. Today, it does. As Phil Gramm and his two co-authors point out in “The Myth of American Inequality,” government transfer programs have produced nearly equal incomes for the bottom 60% of earners and have all but eliminated poverty. That doesn’t sound very “savage.” Brooks also notes recent real income gains, citing American Enterprise Institute economist Michael Strain, and writes that “recent administrations have moved to redistribute wealth downward.” He evidently omitted recent presidents’ names, lest he credit former President Donald Trump with a positive accomplishment and cause apoplexy among Atlantic readers. (snip) They’re right to blame Trump and many of his supporters for claiming (inaccurately, as The New York Times and other publications invariably and correctly note) that the 2020 election was stolen and that the country would be better off if they confessed error and asked forgiveness. But the country would be better off if Brooks’ employer and colleagues and their many readers would also confess error and seek forgiveness themselves for the persistent election denial of leading Democrats, including the party’s new leader in the House of Representatives, going back to 2000 and very much including 2016. They should also seek forgiveness for a byproduct of that election denial, the Russia collusion hoax. This conspiracy theory, concocted by the Hillary Clinton campaign, was aided and abetted by leaders of the FBI and intelligence agencies, advanced by lies and misrepresentations by congressional Democrats, and reported with relish and credulity by much of the media. Something in the nature of an admission of error came belatedly from New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet in August 2019, according to a transcript of a meeting with angry reporters and editors. Baquet said the paper was “a little tiny bit flat-footed” when special counsel Robert Mueller ended his investigation without confirming Democrats’ constant charges of collusion with Russia. Those on Brooks’ side have constantly made the valid point that Trump’s election denials poison the political atmosphere and cast doubt on the legitimacy of the government’s leaders. Exactly the same valid point can be made about those on his side for their election denial and promotion of the Russia collusion hoax. They made governance more difficult for an administration headed by an unusually erratic and unusually inexperienced president. In so doing, they made the country suffer. It’s time for them, as it has been time for Trump, to confess error and apologize. Are you game, David? https://richmond.com/opinion/columnists/column-time-for-truth-and-reconciliation-on-the-russia-collusion-hoax/article_5072f9ec-990a-11ed-9599-af10353c2283.html 1
Doc Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, ChiGoose said: It was about the Russians saying they had dirt on Hillary. The right thing to do would be to decline and report the offer to the FBI. But the Trump campaign took the meeting instead. From where do you fancy Steele, a disgraced former British spy, got his dirt on Trump?
ChiGoose Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Doc said: From where do you fancy Steele, a disgraced former British spy, got his dirt on Trump? Igor Danchenko, among others.
Doc Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Igor Danchenko, among others. Yup, Russians.
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