TBBills Posted August 20, 2020 Posted August 20, 2020 21 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Ridiculous take. Thanks. You know everyone seems to say the same about your posts.
reddogblitz Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 I wish we had someone better, especially this year. But I'm not too worried. Barkley is not bad. He has gotten in 3 games since he's been here. The 2018 Jets game was stellar. He got in the Cheats game last year. He played pretty well. He came on on 3rd and 8 and completed a 15 yard pass on the sideline to John Brown. He also had several drops including one to I think it was and he hit Zay in the EZ in the hands on 4th down but it bounced off. The final game was a tire fire scrub fest. Not going to put too much into that. I think/hope he will be alright.
Mountain Man Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: NFL has ranked Barkley 27/32 today for what it is worth. That list is utterly laughable. It has Geno Smith in the top 12 and Tim Boyle, a QB who has thrown 4 NFL passes in the top 20. You just need to read the comments about some of the QBs to know how bad it is. The Henne one for example is just absurd. I'm genuinely surprised that article passed the editorial process Edited August 21, 2020 by Mountain Man 1
Da webster guy Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 5:41 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Well I guess back on topic, starting QB is the Bills Achilles heel. Right. 11 wins in his 1st full NFL season including taking his team to overtime in the playoffs. (Ok 10 wins but we sat everyone and the Jets still almost lost) SIX game winning drives. 2 picks in his last 11 games. More touchdowns than Brees and Brady last year. Yeah this guy is a Real liability. Cmon man. 1
BobbyC81 Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Mountain Man said: That list is utterly laughable. It has Geno Smith in the top 12 and Tim Boyle, a QB who has thrown 4 NFL passes in the top 20. You just need to read the comments about some of the QBs to know how bad it is. The Henne one for example is just absurd. I'm genuinely surprised that article passed the editorial process For most articles I read these days, I have to ask “What editorial process?”
GunnerBill Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Mountain Man said: That list is utterly laughable. It has Geno Smith in the top 12 and Tim Boyle, a QB who has thrown 4 NFL passes in the top 20. You just need to read the comments about some of the QBs to know how bad it is. The Henne one for example is just absurd. I'm genuinely surprised that article passed the editorial process Yea I didn't love it as a list either. But I do think they had Barkley pitched right. Agree with you about Geno in the top 12. That is bonkers. As is the idea that Tim Boyle is the real backup in Green Bay. Sitting your 1st round pick behind Aaron Rodgers is one thing.... if Rodgers goes down, Love is playing, The reason Boyle is getting 2nd team reps the first week of camp is the typical "make the rookie earn it" thing. Even Pat Mahomes took 3rd string reps early in his first camp.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Da webster guy said: Right. 11 wins in his 1st full NFL season including taking his team to overtime in the playoffs. (Ok 10 wins but we sat everyone and the Jets still almost lost) SIX game winning drives. 2 picks in his last 11 games. More touchdowns than Brees and Brady last year. Yeah this guy is a Real liability. Cmon man. QB is one of the worst positions on our team. Its just a fact. Its not a strength of the team, which makes it a weakness.
Shaw66 Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: QB is one of the worst positions on our team. Its just a fact. Its not a strength of the team, which makes it a weakness. Maybe I just haven't any coffee yet, but this post is a wakeup call. At first I thought it was an absurd response to someone's rose-colored-glasses view. Then I read it again. I suppose you could argue about it, but you're probably right. Examine the Bills by position groups, and QB may be the weakest. Actually, I'd say second weakest, behind the tight ends. Without spending a whole lot of time on it, here's a ranking of position groups and a wild-ass, off-the-top-of-my-head league ranking. I won't defend it, because it's pretty hard to know for sure and it's open to a lot of debate: Defensive backs - top 5 Wideouts - top 5 Defensive line -top 10 Offensive line - top 15 Linebackers - top 15 Running backs - top 20 Quarterbacks - top 20 Tight ends - top 25 That's why we keep saying the season hangs on Allen's progress.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 4:23 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wish we had a Jim Kelly. Out of respect for sentimentality, I'll avoid being overly in disagreement with this.
GunnerBill Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: Maybe I just haven't any coffee yet, but this post is a wakeup call. At first I thought it was an absurd response to someone's rose-colored-glasses view. Then I read it again. I suppose you could argue about it, but you're probably right. Examine the Bills by position groups, and QB may be the weakest. Actually, I'd say second weakest, behind the tight ends. Without spending a whole lot of time on it, here's a ranking of position groups and a wild-ass, off-the-top-of-my-head league ranking. I won't defend it, because it's pretty hard to know for sure and it's open to a lot of debate: Defensive backs - top 5 Wideouts - top 5 Defensive line -top 10 Offensive line - top 15 Linebackers - top 15 Running backs - top 20 Quarterbacks - top 20 Tight ends - top 25 That's why we keep saying the season hangs on Allen's progress. I might swap Dline and Oline but otherwise these are pretty much where I would put them.
Shaw66 Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 43 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I might swap Dline and Oline but otherwise these are pretty much where I would put them. I've never done that before. It's an interesting way to look at the team.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Maybe I just haven't any coffee yet, but this post is a wakeup call. At first I thought it was an absurd response to someone's rose-colored-glasses view. Then I read it again. I suppose you could argue about it, but you're probably right. Examine the Bills by position groups, and QB may be the weakest. Actually, I'd say second weakest, behind the tight ends. Without spending a whole lot of time on it, here's a ranking of position groups and a wild-ass, off-the-top-of-my-head league ranking. I won't defend it, because it's pretty hard to know for sure and it's open to a lot of debate: Defensive backs - top 5 Wideouts - top 5 Defensive line -top 10 Offensive line - top 15 Linebackers - top 15 Running backs - top 20 Quarterbacks - top 20 Tight ends - top 25 That's why we keep saying the season hangs on Allen's progress. I'm critical of Allen but I don't blindly criticize him. I've completed changed my opinion of him from the draft process to now. He deserves people take him seriously but he has a long way to go. Quarterback is my biggest worry heading into the season but also the position I'm most intrigued about. 2
Mountain Man Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I didn't love it as a list either. But I do think they had Barkley pitched right. Agree with you about Geno in the top 12. That is bonkers. As is the idea that Tim Boyle is the real backup in Green Bay. Sitting your 1st round pick behind Aaron Rodgers is one thing.... if Rodgers goes down, Love is playing, The reason Boyle is getting 2nd team reps the first week of camp is the typical "make the rookie earn it" thing. Even Pat Mahomes took 3rd string reps early in his first camp. Barkley has actually put in credible performances in the last 5 years unlike half that list. The top 6 makes sense. Then it's a joke. Smith, Flacco, Henne, Daniel, Siemian. 11 to 15? When was the last time any of those did anything? Barkley is no worse than any of those based on performances in the last 5 years. It shows that numerical lists of these sorts are really really pointless. They should group them into types of players and have a few standout names at the top and bottom. Then you get the likes of Kyle Allen at 21. A guy who actually looked competent in games recently. He should easily be top 10. Beyond the top 6. You would get a better ranking if you just selected names at random
GunnerBill Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: Barkley has actually put in credible performances in the last 5 years unlike half that list. The top 6 makes sense. Then it's a joke. Smith, Flacco, Henne, Daniel, Siemian. 11 to 15? When was the last time any of those did anything? Barkley is no worse than any of those based on performances in the last 5 years. It shows that numerical lists of these sorts are really really pointless. They should group them into types of players and have a few standout names at the top and bottom. Then you get the likes of Kyle Allen at 21. A guy who actually looked competent in games recently. He should easily be top 10. Beyond the top 6. You would get a better ranking if you just selected names at random Flacco is way better than Barkley. You don't need to go back 5 years. Last year will do. Barkley is a bottom end backup who Bills fans have a rose tinted view on because his career best day was his Bills debut. That was the exception. What we saw last year is the rule. 1
Mountain Man Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Flacco is way better than Barkley. You don't need to go back 5 years. Last year will do. Barkley is a bottom end backup who Bills fans have a rose tinted view on because his career best day was his Bills debut. That was the exception. What we saw last year is the rule. Flacco's movement is horrific. Behind anything but a league leading O line he is done. Behind the Jets O line, you may as well use a running back and play the wildcat 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Barkley is a bottom end backup who Bills fans have a rose tinted view on because his career best day was his Bills debut. That was the exception. What we saw last year is the rule. Barkleys performances are no worse than those of Geno, Henne, Daniel. Is that of a good backup? Maybe not, I wouldn't want any starting. But if Barkley is 27, those other 3 should be at best 24 to 26. Edited August 21, 2020 by Mountain Man
GunnerBill Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: Flacco's movement is horrific. Behind anything but a league leading O line he is done. Behind the Jets O line, you may as well use a running back and play the wildcat Barkleys performances are no worse than those of Geno, Henne, Daniel. Is that of a good backup? Maybe not, I wouldn't want any starting. But if Barkley is 27, those other 3 should be at best 24 to 26. Well Flacco last year behind a bad Denver line was still better than Barkley behind a decent Bills line. And I agree on Geno, and Henne. I'd have Chase Daniel 32/32. Being Drew Brees mate has earned him a career.
Simon Says Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 2:26 AM, Inigo Montoya said: I think back up QB is the one glaring hole on our roster heading into the 2020 season. Not only do we have to worry about a regular injury to Josh Allen this year, we also have to worry about him coming down with COVID19 and missing several games while he recuperates. We don't have another QB on this roster that I have confidence in to step into the lineup for three weeks and win us 1 or 2 games. I was really hoping we would make a run at Andy Dalton when he was released. How valuable was having Foles, Bridgewater, and Tanneyhill for the Eagles, Saints, and Titans over the last few seasons? I know there are only so many quality QBs that become available each year, but I think that when you are putting together a team that has a legitimate shot at winning a championship, you need to make an investment in a quality backup QB. I think it's worth $3-4 million a year in cap space to do so, especially when your starting QB is still on his rookie contract. To put that amount into perspective, that's half of what Beane will pay Trent Murphy this year to be a rotational DE. Dalton is getting $3 mil from the Cowboys this year. This year the depth of your roster is going to be more important than ever due to COVID19. We have quality depth at just about every position on the field except for the single most important one. I do not mean to bash Beane with this post. I am a huge Brandon Beane supporter and I think it's a miracle where we stand today compared to where we were just three years ago. That improvement is due in large part to how well Beane has done his job. Maybe he has tried but was unsuccessful in signing a quality backup. Who knows? At the end of the day I would just feel a lot more comfortable going into this season with someone more accomplished than Matt Barkley holding a clipboard next to Josh Allen. I think it is hard to dispute that backup QB is the single biggest hole on our roster heading into the 2020 season. I hope it doesn't cost us. You can't assume Bills would have offered enough to entice Dalton,or that he would even want to come to Buffalo. Especially since he is from Texas.
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