machine gun kelly Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 Good points Josh. Reminds me after the fact how much Gailey bashing went on even though he had arguably the least talented NFL team when he was here. He was set up to lose. I’m not saying Gailey was perfect, but he did get a lot out of Fitz at times, Spiller had his best or possibly only good years here. It’s why I don’t dislike Gailey, and I don’t hate Daboll. There is no argument his first year was mediocre, but we were purging players and had a raw rookie QB. Josh only started at Wyoming for two years ina less than stellar conference, and had little talent around him iN 2018. They upgraded their offense in 2019, he threw for just under 3,100 yards and ran for over 500 yards. Daboll now has the talent Beane provided and a line to play behind that knows each other. Did Daboll make some head scratching plays called, sure, but so have other OC’s. I don’t think he’s ready to be a head coach yet, but I’m mentally prepared Frazier will probably get a serious shot in 2021, and if Daboll brings this offense to say top 12 in passing and top 5 in rushing. And an 11-5 record. 2022 will probably be his year. 2021 we face the NFCS, AFCE of course, and the AFCS. The common opponents considering we probably win the East will be KC and Baltimore. No easy schedule, but we should be ready for it. If Daboll does well with our offense for two years, he’ll get promoted. I’m rooting for him as that means I’m rooting for my Bills. MGK simple logic. Root for Daboll, we win. See simple. 1
Penfield45 Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 On 8/14/2020 at 11:50 AM, YoloinOhio said: scale back the offense? most of the guys on offense were here last season, what does this even mean?
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 As someone who didn’t want him from the start (love him being a local guy, know he knows a ton about football but his results absolutely suck), I’m already prepares for him to be the scapegoat if the offense struggles. he isn’t a good OC but at some point, players need to execute.
Mr. WEO Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: scale back the offense? most of the guys on offense were here last season, what does this even mean? I bet Singletary is wondering the same thing..
Penfield45 Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I bet Singletary is wondering the same thing.. I said this since the day we drafted the kid, Allen won't turn into a top QB until we get him a mastermind OC that knows how to use his strengths and can develop him. Daboll is not the right man for that at all, as we have already seen. he puts Allen into so many difficult positions throughout games. Also, if we don't use our 1-2 punch RB duo to our advantage next season just get rid of Daboll as soon as we can. Edited August 16, 2020 by Penfield45
Beerball Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 57 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: scale back the offense? most of the guys on offense were here last season, what does this even mean? Go back and view/read the question Daboll was asked. Then view/read his answer in full. Your questions will be answered and your fears alleviated.
ColoradoBills Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 12 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I don't necessarily disagree with that. But I think he will get a shot. There are just too many opening every year and too few legitimate candidates. People were surprised - yes. I IF Daboll gets the O to click this year don't you think there is a chance he wants to stick with the Bills for another season with hopes to win it all. Like you said above there are "many openings every year". If I was in that position I know it wouldn't be a cut and dry decision. Sure it's a risk but being an OC with a Super Bowl team get's you a much better opportunity to pick the franchise you want to work for vs taking just any HC job offered. Not to mention getting a ring for your hometown team has to have some weight in the decision.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: He was brought into 2 of those jobs to a year before the coaches that brought him in were fired. Daboll knew enough about Quinn form Cleveland to tell a floundering Romeo Crennell that it was a bad decision. He "eeked out" the worst scoring offense in the league in KC. You and everyone on this board could have achieved that. I'll assume you're joking there. Maimi last year "over-performed expectations" only because everyone was ridiculously claiming they were "tanking". Their running game sucked, but Fitz had a typical Fitz year and threw them to a top 12 passing game. They had a 1200+ yard WR in Adams and Gesicki, once used more, proved to be a solid TE. Their Defense was as bad as it was the previous year. So you're wrong there too. Cleveland, the team that has hired and fired a ton of coordinators-to-HC interviewed him and decided on Stefanski. He and Saleh were reported as the only serious contenders. Bringing you back on topic, if the Offense does not improve this season, it is hard if not impossible to imagine they would keep him another year. That's what I'm saying. Condescending considering the topic was Dabol’s head coaching prospects... The rest of this is just breathtaking revisionist history. The bit about the Dolphins being underrated, despite having one of the worst starts to a season in NFL history, is one of the most unserious things Ive ever read on this board.
Mr. WEO Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Condescending considering the topic was Dabol’s head coaching prospects... The rest of this is just breathtaking revisionist history. The bit about the Dolphins being underrated, despite having one of the worst starts to a season in NFL history, is one of the most unserious things Ive ever read on this board. You get winded very easily. Where was "the bit about the Dolphins being underrated"? Certainly I didn't say that. I simply pointed out your lazy take on the Dolphins--"terrible by any metric", is demonstrably false. Why cling to it then? Speaking of history, that very same franchise also had an 0-7 ("one of the worst") start in 2011. Their OC? Brian Daboll. After that one year, he and Sporano were gone. This is all as weak as listing "eeking out" the worst scoring Offense in the league as an achievement of some sort.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: You get winded very easily. Where was "the bit about the Dolphins being underrated"? Certainly I didn't say that. I simply pointed out your lazy take on the Dolphins--"terrible by any metric", is demonstrably false. Why cling to it then? Speaking of history, that very same franchise also had an 0-7 ("one of the worst") start in 2011. Their OC? Brian Daboll. After that one year, he and Sporano were gone. This is all as weak as listing "eeking out" the worst scoring Offense in the league as an achievement of some sort. Im convinced you just like arguing. You seem way too bright to say something so stupid. Edited August 16, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands
Mr. WEO Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 35 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Im convinced you just like arguing. You seem way too bright to say something so stupid. Nationally, I understand the move by some toward "alternative reality" and even "alternative "facts", but I see no room for such in this discussion. It's not argument for its sake...it's a correction of misinformation. That, in most circles, does not define "stupid". Foolish, perhaps, as history proves the true believer cannot be moved from his dogma.
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