billsfan89 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Agree Star, Murphy and Morse were the worst. Hyde is probably best value contract given how well he has played. I wouldn't lump Mitch in with Star and Murphy. Mitch in 2019 was a very good center top 5 or close at his position. They just paid retail for a position that was of desperate need. They paid a lot but they got good production thus far. Whereas with Star the team got a mid-level player at a top tier price and Murphy is paid like a quality starter and has at best been a decent role player. 5
Shaw66 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Process said: Where does this rank as far as highest paid LTs? Apparently 5th or 6th, depending on how you slice it. I don't think the guy is 5th or 6th best offensive tackle in the league, but as time goes by and other guys sign, he'll probably slip to 8th or 10th, unless COVID screws up the cap too badly. Paying him as the 8th or 10th best tackle seems to me to be right on the money. And if the guy continues to improve, he'll get about three years and the Bills will renegotiate to move him up. Seems to me like this contract is right about where it ought to be. It's becoming a habit for Beane to be on target and proactive. It all seems too sane, compared to decades of craziness. 1
YoloinOhio Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) Edited August 14, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1
FLFan Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 Extremely well done, Beane. ( and Dawkins) Great news. A very fair contract. 1
eball Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 It is really an amazing feeling, watching this organization making smart decisions. We are in for a great ride. 2
Fan in Chicago Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 7 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: Per Adam Shefter! And now another big deal today: Bills’ standout left tackle Dion Dawkins and Buffalo reached agreement on a four-year, $60 million contract extension, sources tell ESPN. The deal ties Dawkins to Buffalo, and protecting Josh Allen’s blindside, through the 2024 season. Absolutely love it ! 1
Thurman#1 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 Great job! A key player kept for the long term. Fine GMsmanship
Thurman#1 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: I wouldn't lump Mitch in with Star and Murphy. Mitch in 2019 was a very good center top 5 or close at his position. They just paid retail for a position that was of desperate need. They paid a lot but they got good production thus far. Whereas with Star the team got a mid-level player at a top tier price and Murphy is paid like a quality starter and has at best been a decent role player. Yeah, if Star and Murphy are your worst contracts, your overall standard is going to turn out to be very high. Both were slight overpays at positions of need. Murphy might have been a good deal without the injury; he appeared to have finally recovered late last year and gotten a ton better. And the Dawkins contract was a great team value. He really cost himself some bucks with his 2018 regression. But this will put food on the family table - the extended family - for generations if handled right. 1
billsfan89 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Billl said: Seems like a bit of a bargain. The leverage NFL teams have with early extensions is that players don't want to risk getting hurt if they play out the last season on a deal. That's typically why so many players end up taking less than they would if they fully hit the market. If you are Dawkins it is best to take the 34 million guaranteed than risk an injury in 2020 and get a fraction of that on a one year prove it deal. The deal seems fair for both sides. If Dawkins plays at the same level he justifies his contract and if he excels beyond it, the contract becomes a complete steal for the Bills. What I like about the deal is that all Dawkins has to do is play at his level and it will be a fine deal. 1
billsfan89 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, if Star and Murphy are your worst contracts, your overall standard is going to turn out to be very high. Both were slight overpays at positions of need. Murphy might have been a good deal without the injury; he appeared to have finally recovered late last year and gotten a ton better. And the Dawkins contract was a great team value. He really cost himself some bucks with his 2018 regression. But this will put food on the family table - the extended family - for generations if handled right. I doubt he cost himself anything significant in 2018 as I think his regression was overblown by fans (he regressed but it wasn't nearly as tragic as many were saying), his 2019 play was going to determine his value on the market in terms of an early extension and his contract is in line with that of an above average young LT (which is kind of what he was in 2019.) Which is how he played in 2020. McBeane has had some stinkers outside of Star and Murphy but they were usually lower level signings under 3 million (Lee Smith, Chris Ivory, and Bodine) but even the larger contracts of Star and Murphy have at least been productive players in their own right.
Thurman#1 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Apparently 5th or 6th, depending on how you slice it. I don't think the guy is 5th or 6th best offensive tackle in the league, but as time goes by and other guys sign, he'll probably slip to 8th or 10th, unless COVID screws up the cap too badly. Paying him as the 8th or 10th best tackle seems to me to be right on the money. And if the guy continues to improve, he'll get about three years and the Bills will renegotiate to move him up. Seems to me like this contract is right about where it ought to be. It's becoming a habit for Beane to be on target and proactive. It all seems too sane, compared to decades of craziness. I kind of doubt it, I think it's lower than 5th or 6th. You're right that Spotrac lists him that way now, but I believe they'll adjust that downwards as they go back and look at it. It'll come out about 16th, I believe. Their own pages don't agree right now, but they'll get around to cleaning this up. This seems to be one of those internet problems caused by everyone wanting to get everything on the net as soon as possible. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/tackle/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/dion-dawkins-21805/ These days when they announce contracts they always release the numbers and spin the whole thing as an extension. That way they can massage the player's ego a bit. This deal isn't four years and $60 mill. It's four more years and $60 mill more. He's now under contract for a total of five years (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024) and will receive during those five years $61,035,441. Spotrac does confirm that. So yeah, it's a four-year $60 mill extension, but those aren't the numbers you divide to get his average per year. His average per year is just a few thousand north of $12.2 per year. This is a team-friendly deal. Edited August 14, 2020 by Thurman#1 2
Thurman#1 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) Love, love, love this. This is just a short excerpt from the Athletic story. https://theathletic.com/1995561/2020/08/13/i-have-to-earn-it-bills-reward-dion-dawkins-with-hefty-contract-extension/?source=spotrac&pc=spotrac40off2 “'First of all, I have to earn it,' Dawkins said. 'Just because (the new contract) is there, it doesn’t mean that it can’t disappear. And I know that about this league. And I don’t take it for granted. Having this contract, and it’s only been hours, but it’s made me all the more hungry. We hear about guys all of the time that get paid and then they fall off. And believe me — I’m going to say it: That will not be me. I will do anything and everything to fight so it will never be me. I’m going to earn every bit of this contract. And I’m going to do anything and everything I can to help this program, this organization, win on the field and off.' ” Edited August 14, 2020 by Thurman#1 1
GunnerBill Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 4 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I wouldn't lump Mitch in with Star and Murphy. Mitch in 2019 was a very good center top 5 or close at his position. They just paid retail for a position that was of desperate need. They paid a lot but they got good production thus far. Whereas with Star the team got a mid-level player at a top tier price and Murphy is paid like a quality starter and has at best been a decent role player. Morse did not play like a top 5 center in 2019. At his best he is a top 5 center.... but he really didn't play his best last year. He was solid, steady, a big upgrade on what we had before..... but he didn't dominate. Indeed at times in the run game he struggled some. Top dozen or so, sure. Proven ability that one would hope leads to better play in 2020? Yep. 1
GunnerBill Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: I kind of doubt it, I think it's lower than 5th or 6th. You're right that Spotrac lists him that way now, but I believe they'll adjust that downwards as they go back and look at it. It'll come out about 16th, I believe. Their own pages don't agree right now, but they'll get around to cleaning this up. This seems to be one of those internet problems caused by everyone wanting to get everything on the net as soon as possible. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/tackle/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/dion-dawkins-21805/ These days when they announce contracts they always release the numbers and spin the whole thing as an extension. That way they can massage the player's ego a bit. This deal isn't four years and $60 mill. It's four more years and $60 mill more. He's now under contract for a total of five years (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024) and will receive during those five years $61,035,441. Spotrac does confirm that. So yeah, it's a four-year $60 mill extension, but those aren't the numbers you divide to get his average per year. His average per year is just a few thousand north of $12.2 per year. This is a team-friendly deal. You only do that if any of the new money is in this year. If they have paid him a signing bonus now and prorated across 5 years then as you say you have to divide the total new money across 5 years. If the new money all comes after 2020 then it is a true extension of 60 for 4. Even at 60 for 4 I think it is team friendly. I think Dion slotting in at 5th best paid left tackle is a spot or two lower than he could have pushed for. Now with the covid uncertainty maybe there is a reason for players to take long term security even if they leave some money on the table.... but this is a really good deal for the Bills. 1
billsfan89 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Morse did not play like a top 5 center in 2019. At his best he is a top 5 center.... but he really didn't play his best last year. He was solid, steady, a big upgrade on what we had before..... but he didn't dominate. Indeed at times in the run game he struggled some. Top dozen or so, sure. Proven ability that one would hope leads to better play in 2020? Yep. He allowed just one sack all year, I think he is easily one of the best if not the best pass protecting center in the league. I grant you that he was average to above average in the run game but he was far from a liability in that respect. I also think that he was a big reason in the huge uptick in the cohesion of the O-line. The O-line just seemed much better organized and ran better as a unit in 2019 and I think Mitch was a big part of that.
GunnerBill Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: He allowed just one sack all year, I think he is easily one of the best if not the best pass protecting center in the league. I grant you that he was average to above average in the run game but he was far from a liability in that respect. I also think that he was a big reason in the huge uptick in the cohesion of the O-line. The O-line just seemed much better organized and ran better as a unit in 2019 and I think Mitch was a big part of that. He was a big part of that. He wasn't a top 5 center in the league though. Not in 2019. I would characterise him as top 5 or 6 in pass protection, bottom half in run blocking.
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