Ed Oliver interview - NFL put him in the drug program?

[HamSandwhich]

3 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Did Ed look disrespectful to you?

 

Yet he was carted off for a night in jail

No, he was not roughed up or killed, precisely because he acted respectfully. He fought the issue afterward and he did it the right way. Exactly what he should have done and now he can fight back by filing false arrest or suing. Good for him. Bullbuchanan was talking in general terms. I was fighting back against his narrative which is obviously steeped in critical race theory nonsense which people are finally waking up to. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by HamSandwhich

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, HamSandwhich said:

Anyone can challenge the law but it needs to be done inappropriately. There’s a reason why a lot of those videos you see start and end when the “victim” is being “victimized”. They don’t want you to see what happened leading up to that point as it won’t look good for the “victim” mentality they want to sow. A little respect for authority is needed, you can have your day in court. At the point of being pulled over or being stopped by a cop is not the time to act belligerent. They’d like to go home to their families and kids too and they don’t know what you’re going to do if you’re being belligerent and will act to pacify a threat, rightfully so. Be respectful, nothing will happen to you. Is it that hard?

Incorrect. The burden of proof in debate or law is on the part of the accuser.

I disagree. Basic civility is fine. Respect is earned, and in my opinion it's handed out far too readily to people that do not deserve it simply because of social norms.

Be respectful and nothing will happen? I mean...what?
 

[BullBuchanan]

10 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

No, he was not roughed up or killed, precisely because he acted respectfully. He fought the issue afterward and he did it the right way. Exactly what he should have done and now he can fight back by filing false arrest or suing. Good for him. Bullbuchanan was talking in general terms. I was fighting back against his narrative which is obviously steeped in critical race theory nonsense which people are finally waking up to. 

You've brought this up several times. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. I'm so white it's almost a caricature, and I have reasons that I've already stated in this thread, and countless others, for distrusting the police that has nothing to do with the fact that they have a tendency to kill and assault a lot of unarmed minorities. 

Edited August 11, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Andrew Son]

8 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

No, he was not roughed up or killed, precisely because he acted respectfully. He fought the issue afterward and he did it the right way. Exactly what he should have done and now he can fight back by filing false arrest or suing. Good for him. Bullbuchanan was talking in general terms. I was fighting back against his narrative which is obviously steeped in critical race theory nonsense which people are finally waking up to. 

The man was hauled off to jail for nonsense and we're going to say it was a success because he wasn't roughed up or killed for not complying???  Yikes

 

 

[HamSandwhich]

10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Incorrect. The burden of proof in debate or law is on the part of the accuser.

I disagree. Basic civility is fine. Respect is earned, and in my opinion it's handed out far too readily to people that do not deserve it simply because of social norms.

Be respectful and nothing will happen? I mean...what?
 

Oh ok, you’re really showing your cards and proving me right with this statement right here. The post modernist borne critical race theory seeks to deconstruct society and break it down so that there are no norms and everything is confused. The idea is to break down society into anarchy and then build it back up in the new leaders image, and create a utopia based on the gatekeepers of the new world order’s image. Of course this would be a dystopia that would create a fascist socialist/communist view where wrong think is paid with sever punishment up to and including death. Read the gulag archipelago to understand where we would be headed if nutcases that think like Bull end up in power. 

3 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

The man was hauled off to jail for nonsense and we're going to say it was a success because he wasn't roughed up or killed for not complying???  Yikes

 

 

I didn’t say it was a success. Do you never make mistakes? Let me guess, the only answer to this is racism? That’s the only thing that could have happened here? 

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You've brought this up several times. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. I'm so white it's almost a caricature, and I have reasons that I've already stated in this thread, and countless others, for distrusting the police that has nothing to do with the fact that they have a tendency to kill and assault a lot of unarmed minorities. 

Actually, it’s white people who feel bad and think they’re doing something good by geniflecting to the ideology. I believe the term is “useful idiots”? 

Edited August 11, 2020 by HamSandwhich

[klos63]

8 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Yes. That is how police encounters work. Under any circumstance, you have to comply. If you do not, the police will use the appropriate amount of force to achieve compliance. Once force is introduced, the situation becomes unpredictable and you risk serious injury and/or death.  That is true regardless of race, and the suggestion that it is "odd" that failure to comply could result in serious injury is absurd. Does anyone really believe they can say "no" to the police? 

You should be able to say whatever the f you want to a cop and not expect to get killed because of it. Do we have etiquette laws too?

[LB3]

24 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

So you’re saying all police act like Kings and Gods? You’re part of the problem, the country is waking up to dangers of your viewpoint.  

The little Antifa pansies feel very empowered these days. Thankfully they're pansies.

[HamSandwhich]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

You should be able to say whatever the f you want to a cop and not expect to get killed because of it. Do we have etiquette laws too?

Yes, because the 100s of thousands of other time, many of which I’m sure people who were disrespectful get killed. Got it.

 

Do people not understand that you only see the bad stuff, never the vast majority that don’t end up in death? Or is that lost on most people? 

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, LB3 said:

The little Antifa pansies feel very empowered these days. Thankfully they're pansies.

Are they pansies or a violent mob today? I forget is it an odds or evens thing?

Edited August 11, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[LB3]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Are they pansies or a violent mob today? I forget is it's an odds or evens thing?

Both. A violent mob until stood up to. It's just easier to deal with pansies 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, HamSandwhich said:

Yes, because the 100s of thousands of other time, many of which I’m sure people who were disrespectful get killed. Got it.

 

Do people not understand that you only see the bad stuff, never the vast majority that don’t end up in death? Or is that lost on most people? 

Death is not the only outcome, it's just the most serious result. Incarceration, violence, and intimidation are others.

[Andrew Son]

2 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

 

I didn’t say it was a success. Do you never make mistakes? Let me guess, the only answer to this is racism? That’s the only thing that could have happened here? 

We can dismiss individual occurrences as mistakes and argue hypotheticals, or we can step back and notice trends and systemic societal issues.

 

This may or may not have been racially motivated- who knows?  But had it happen to me, I'd feel violated.

[HamSandwhich]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Are they pansies or a violent mob today? I forget is it's an odds or evens thing?

They’re a violent mob when they take liberties against a police force who is not trying to start

violence but are being thrown rocks/bottles at, spit at, attacked. They become pansies when those cops fight back when a riot is declared. Does that make sense? 

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Death is not the only outcome, it's just the most serious result. Incarceration, violence, and intimidation are others.

That I can agree with, but I would still state that this is due to the likely hood of a person to be billigerent. Like it or not, in minority communities, children are taught to fear and disrespect/throw a fit when being stopped by cops. Remnants of an old ideology that was clearly wrong back in the 60s and 70 that have been perpetuated through the decades. If you’re acting like a dummy, you’re more likely to get roughed up. Just be calm and you will have your day to fight back. 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, HamSandwhich said:

a police force who is not trying to start violence 

Since we're making up things that don't exist:

[Malazan]

7 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

They’re a violent mob when they take liberties against a police force who is not trying to start

violence but are being thrown rocks/bottles at, spit at, attacked. They become pansies when those cops fight back when a riot is declared. Does that make sense? 

 

can't tell if you're for real of a caricature of a person

34 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

As I said, that WAS THE LAW during our time in SC (after it changed from legal open containers).  If you want to argue your point with the police and tell them how you have the right and there’s nothing they can do about it, please feel free to take that on unnecessary battle and I’ll wish you all the best. Cops love getting challenged. Toss that half empty bottle of Jack Daniels in the back seat and try to argue that you couldn’t reach it from the driver’s seat. 

 

Common sense is not that common. My question is: WHY? Why not take the easy route? Just put it in the trunk and don’t run the risk of fighting that unnecessary  battle. 

 

Yea, you're right. Like...why would you stand up to people violating your rights. Bend over and take it. If the cops are just going violate your rights and violate the law then you should just give up. 

Edited August 11, 2020 by jeremy2020

[LB3]

The ANTIFA queens have certainly taken over this thread.

[HamSandwhich]

5 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

We can dismiss individual occurrences as mistakes and argue hypotheticals, or we can step back and notice trends and systemic societal issues.

 

This may or may not have been racially motivated- who knows?  But had it happen to me, I'd feel violated.

There are trends, I agree. More violent crimes in minority communities, more likely to not cooperate. Both are easily traceable for worse outcomes. There is a systemic issues, we need to help those minority communities to understand that not all cops are out to get them.

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Since we're making up things that don't exist:

You watch to much CNN

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, LB3 said:

The ANTIFA queens have certainly taken over this thread.

Get used to it.

[HamSandwhich]

3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

can't tell if you're for real of a caricature of a person

 

Yea, you're right. Like...why would you stand up to people violating your rights. Bend over and take it. 

I’ll be whatever you want buttercup 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said:

There are trends, I agree. More violent crimes in minority communities, more likely to not cooperate. Both are easily traceable for worse outcomes. There is a systemic issues, we need to help those minority communities to understand that not all cops are out to get them.

You watch to much CNN

I'm pretty sure of the two of us, it isn't me that's getting forcefed what to believe by cable news.