SoCal Deek Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 Having finally seen a Bills game replayed on ESPN the other night (Bills v Ravens) I’m going to agree with the poster that said it’s all about Josh Allen. He was 100% horrible in the Ravens game. Diggs can’t throw it to himself! 1
Doc Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 In the absence of Star, yes the DT free agents need to step up. Not really worried about Addison or even Klein, much less Diggs.
Orlando Buffalo Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: The advanced stats do show a drop off with Addison and the tape did too. The raw sack numbers were there... but he was winning his assignments considerably less often. I am not sure the sack numbers are sustainable with such a low rush win % but we will have to see. I say this as a guy who watched none of the Panthers last year but the advanced stats are notable for him since he was winning his assignment much less often. Now could that have been those around him? Of course but Addison is my biggest concern of the new guys by a good margin.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: I've said it since the Houston game. The defense collapsed. The OP is dead on. This team needs a pass rush and these four need to replace some decent players that left. But let's get real. This season is about one player. Josh Allen. He has to show he is a franchise QB. I don't know if the defense fell apart as much as Tre fell apart...
GunnerBill Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I say this as a guy who watched none of the Panthers last year but the advanced stats are notable for him since he was winning his assignment much less often. Now could that have been those around him? Of course but Addison is my biggest concern of the new guys by a good margin. I agree with you totally. But it was a fair counter point made that he was missing some of the talent around him. 2
Rocky Landing Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 I would say that we also need Daryl Williams, or Brian Winters (or both?) to produce on the O-line, as well.
GreggTX Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 Addison is average. The other 3 are below average. I don't expect much from them. Trent Murphy is better than all of them despite his relative lack of pass rushing skills.
GunnerBill Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Addison is average. The other 3 are below average. I don't expect much from them. Trent Murphy is better than all of them despite his relative lack of pass rushing skills. He ain't better than Jefferson. 1
GreggTX Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: I would say that we also need Daryl Williams, or Brian Winters (or both?) to produce on the O-line, as well. Winters is average or maybe just a tick above, but he should be a measurable upgrade over Feliciano unless there is something wrong with him that we haven't heard yet. Williams came back from a serious knee injury and played LG last year. He played poorly. If I were him, I might consider opting out to focus on rehabbing that knee and hope for a big rebound in '21. T Murphy isn't as good as he was in Washington, but he did make it back to near his prior level. Williams was an all pro before and so was J Norman. Hopefully those 2 guys can get back to 95%. 1
Don Otreply Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 Not that Diggs won’t be playing an important part, but the game is won or lost at the lines, these new linemen need to perform at least as well as last seasons guys. That said, imo we got a bit better on the D & O sides. Go Bills!!! 1
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: I agree with your assessment of the team. They have been built much like Belichik built the Patriots - a solid mix of veterans on defense with good middle of the road free agents that were scheme versatile. The guys Beane signed can play anywhere on the line and their corners can hold up in man coverage enough that they don;t have to exclusively play zone. All that said though, the trophy usually goes to the team that has one of the best QBs. There are exceptions like Seattle and Denver recently. They had truly elite defenses. Without an improved pass rush, I don't think this defense can win a championship if Allen doesn't get significantly better. They gave up 19 points in 24 minutes and blew a 16 point lead. 2020 is all on Allen Maybe, but the OC play calling was poor during most games. How many times did you watch third down knowing it was Frank Gore up the gut for no gain? A bunch of drives ended on plays where we were all wondering about the third down play call. The team was also very vulnerable to the blitz because the offense very seldom had a hot receiver, either because the receivers didn't make the blitz read or the play didn't provide that assignment. Either way the OC didn't recognize this as an issue and never corrected it. It was a problem from opening day until the playoff loss. If Daboll doesn't up his game, the results for the season will continue to be mediocre. I'm less worried about any of these defensive free agents or the defense in general than I am with the offense. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 I’m optimistic about Jefferson and think that Butler will be a solid role player (especially with no Star). I think Addison is going to disappoint and Klein is just not very good. 1
I'm Spartacus Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: Winters is average or maybe just a tick above, but he should be a measurable upgrade over Feliciano unless there is something wrong with him that we haven't heard yet. Williams came back from a serious knee injury and played LG last year. He played poorly. If I were him, I might consider opting out to focus on rehabbing that knee and hope for a big rebound in '21. T Murphy isn't as good as he was in Washington, but he did make it back to near his prior level. Williams was an all pro before and so was J Norman. Hopefully those 2 guys can get back to 95%. Unfortunately it's too late to opt out.
billsbackto81 Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Bangarang said: I already know I’m not going to like Butler. Underwhelming career so far. And it's not like he didn't have any talent around him.
Saxum Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 7 hours ago, GreggTX said: Winters is average or maybe just a tick above, but he should be a measurable upgrade over Feliciano unless there is something wrong with him that we haven't heard yet. Winters has had trouble staying healthy and availability especially for OL is very important attribute. If he was a flex OT who was only playing to substitute it would be different. Aug 6, 2020: Buffalo Bills signed G Brian Winters to a one-year, $3 million contract. Aug 3, 2020: New York Jets cut G Brian Winters. Nov 12, 2019: New York Jets placed G Brian Winters on IR. Dec 27, 2017: New York Jets placed G Brian Winters on IR. Jan 16, 2017: New York Jets re-signed G Brian Winters to a four-year contract extension. Very strange - 4 year contract extension after being put on IR 3 weeks earlier Dec 21, 2016: New York Jets placed G Brian Winters on IR. Oct 13, 2014: New York Jets placed G Brian Winters on IR. May 9, 2013: New York Jets agreed to terms with OL Brian Winters on a four-year contract. 4 hours ago, ScottLaw said: I said as much back in March and got flamed... he fell off last season. You do appear to prefer extra crispy.
Captain_Quint Posted August 9, 2020 Posted August 9, 2020 I forgot we signed Klein. I'm looking forward to seeing Metakavich on special teams this year. I think he will have a handful of good plays and bring toughness to that unit.
first_and_ten Posted August 9, 2020 Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, LB48 said: Diggs is a given! No doubt he'll help the team. These 4 new Free Agents all fall within the top 12 of the Bills 2020 salary cap. They total $30 mil for the season. 1. Mario Addison, DE, $10 mil 2. Vernon Butler, DT, $7 mil 3. Quinton Jefferson, DT, $7 mil 4. A.J. Klein, OLB, $6mil Can they help push this team to a deep run in the play-offs??? Comments? Up to this point I think Beane has done a very good job with free agents, so I'm going to trust him. Edited August 9, 2020 by first_and_ten 2
LB48 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Posted August 9, 2020 16 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: I've said it since the Houston game. The defense collapsed. The OP is dead on. This team needs a pass rush and these four need to replace some decent players that left. But let's get real. This season is about one player. Josh Allen. He has to show he is a franchise QB. I thought the defense wasn't as good as advertised. We've lost Shaq, Phillips and now Star from last season. We'll see is they will be missed - or - were they part the reason we couldn't stop teams consistently.
John from Riverside Posted August 9, 2020 Posted August 9, 2020 20 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The best player among those 4 is the one who didn't play for Carolina. I just got this feeling about Mario Addison.....I think he is gonna be a good player for us 27 minutes ago, LB48 said: I thought the defense wasn't as good as advertised. We've lost Shaq, Phillips and now Star from last season. We'll see is they will be missed - or - were they part the reason we couldn't stop teams consistently. What we need is balance.....we need to score more points and run the ball consistantly to help our defense (which was very good)
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