BullBuchanan Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, Doc Brown said: Does he have enough arm strength to send Barkley packing? That's all I care about. It's not his strong suit either.
LeviF Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: how do you separate this: Spoke to Bills QB Jake Fromm, who insisted he's had many difficult conversations over the past few months since his "elite white people" texts surfaced. He said he's starting to see the world in a new perspective. Also insists that text is not indicative of who he is as a person from his answer to what he thinks of the issues of the last few months? I’m not trying to cancel him or anything but obviously I’m an ideal answer he’d have a bit more content than love god and each other if he’s had many important conversations on race I mean yeah he should probably have more content than that but let's not pretend that there's more than one answer that MLJ would find "acceptable." It's a non-story that he's turning into a story about himself instead of asking tough follow-up questions. It's a journalistic failure. 2
dwight in philly Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, co_springs_billsfan said: I have zero issue with Fromm's responses Totally agree! move on for crissakes! Slow day for a reporter i never heard of..
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 It was a weak, tepid, apolitical response to to generally weak, overly simple question. If the answer MLJ wanted to hear needed to be political to be "acceptable" then it should not have been asked. He probably hoped for a response that was more profound but Fromm given the time he had to reflect on it but Jake is not in a position to be a lightning rod for anything. MLJ will be on OBL after commercial and it's likely to come up.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, eball said: That's cool, I didn't have a strong reaction either way. It's just how it came across to me. I'll never understand the logic of extremely religious people so their message is largely lost on me. I'm more of a "do the right thing because it's the right thing to do" kind of guy. Agree with this 1000%. There are people who think that saying that are a certain religion absolves every terrible thing they do. And they love judging others. instead of clinging to the Bible (a wild book written over 1000 years ago), I was always taught to live by the golden rule. Treat people the way you want to be treated. If people really did this, the world would be a much better place. It’s that simple, 1 1
MJS Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 56 minutes ago, eball said: Eh, I think Fromm’s response was questionable also. Why not just say we need to love all people equally? He makes it sound as though the only people capable of this have to be Jesus freaks first. In his view loving God leads to loving all people. You don't have to accept that philosophy, but that's what he's trying to say. Nothing he said was going to be accepted by all. When you talk about politics AND religion you are estranging half the population automatically. And apparently if you say you don't want to talk about those things you are also offending people. So really it's a lose lose situation for the kid. 1 1 1
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Logic said: Fromm’s lack of self awareness and respect for the serious and complex nature of the issues at hand at this moment in history are not unique. His blindness and obliviousness in this instance reflects the blindness and obliviousness of many in this country. Hopefully, he does some self reflection and realizes that “everyone should love God”, while a fine idea, is not in itself a sufficient answer to the question of “how can we foster meaningful change to the problems of systemic racism and endemic white supremacy”. Mark 12:30-31. Racism/white supremacy find no refuge in Jesus' words here. 1
Warcodered Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I mean It is the same none the less. The scale of views is the only difference. The action is the same. It's not the same reporters and journalists are held to a higher standard than random people on the internet. I mean if they're not they sure as hell should be.
MJS Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Agree with this 1000%. There are people who think that saying that are a certain religion absolves every terrible thing they do. And they love judging others. instead of clinging to the Bible (a wild book written over 1000 years ago), I was always taught to live by the golden rule. Treat people the way you want to be treated. If people really did this, the world would be a much better place. It’s that simple, Haha. The golden rule is from the Bible. 1 2
NoSaint Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: You’re missing Fromm’s point. He’s saying he isn’t going to get into details because he’s learned his lesson about speaking without thinking. So he offers a basic answer and a guide by which he aspires to live his life. Marcel doesn’t believe his guide is valid, or else he’d see it as an appropriate response. He’s demanding more. He doesn’t believe that simply seeking to love one another is a good enough response for some stupid mistakes. Your kid gets in a fight at school. you have a big talk about conflict resolution etc... ask your kid about a situation you witness and your kid says “love god and each other” and doesn’t talk continue on to the deescalation techniques you discussed or strategies for better outcomes... does questioning whether he got the point mean you have disregarded his faith? marcel doesn’t say his faith is wrong but without tying your faith to knowledge and action it’s just faith, not an example of growth and new maturity that he was looking for. It’s fair to question whether he actually understands how to better live his faith than he did prior. Fromm didn’t offer that info. Which is his right to sidestep but it’ll irk some people.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 43 minutes ago, Dragoon said: Im sick of cancel culture and we all need to stand up to it. Who is getting canceled? A fifth round pick with a weak arm is goOmg to camp after saying elite whites are the only ones who Should have guns. He gave a generic apology and literally nothing Of consequence happen to him.
Jauronimo Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: You’re missing Fromm’s point. He’s saying he isn’t going to get into details because he’s learned his lesson about speaking without thinking. So he offers a basic answer and a guide by which he aspires to live his life. Marcel doesn’t believe his guide is valid, or else he’d see it as an appropriate response. He’s demanding more. He doesn’t believe that simply seeking to love one another is a good enough response for some stupid mistakes. Once again, that is your unsupportable interpretation of the words. The only interpretation based on the quoted words is that Marcel is not a christian or doesn't believe the Bible is valid? If Marcel was a Christian he wouldn't view Fromm's admission that he wasn't going to get political as a dodge? Father forgive whatdrought for he know not what he done.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: Haha. The golden rule is from the Bible. But a lot of people don’t pay attention to that rule. Our leader is someone whose whole political career is trashing people. And some Christians praise the guy like he is a god. It’s weird. 1
Jauronimo Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, DFT said: You really had to stretch the actual conversation to fit all of the things you were expecting from the conversation. So if I’m to look at that intelligently, it looks like you were expecting something to come from a conversation just like the reporter was expecting. That’s not wrong. What’s wrong is condemning Jake’s response because it didn’t fit what you were expecting. He still deserves to have his faith respected just as he deserves to be expected to respect others. Marcel didn't disrespect Fromm's faith. Only a person with a persecution complex would suggest otherwise. 1
NoSaint Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: I mean yeah he should probably have more content than that but let's not pretend that there's more than one answer that MLJ would find "acceptable." It's a non-story that he's turning into a story about himself instead of asking tough follow-up questions. It's a journalistic failure. Oh I’m not saying MLJ is good. Wasn’t even touching on that a little. just discussing whether it was a solid way to address it. Questionable at best in my opinion. Doesn’t make Fromm the devil either. He’s a young guy learning tough lessons in front of the media. Not easy, and I suspect he’s not an overtly racist jerk... just a clumsy young man feeling his way through. 1
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, eball said: That's cool, I didn't have a strong reaction either way. It's just how it came across to me. I'll never understand the logic of extremely religious people so their message is largely lost on me. I'm more of a "do the right thing because it's the right thing to do" kind of guy. I get it eball, I really do. Just want to say that this type of person doesn't automatically equate to "authentic Christ follower"--you can be a loud Bible thumper and not truly understand its core message as taught by Jesus--in fact, being someone who wants to beat others over the head with it in a condemning manner probably makes it more likely that you're missing the forest for the trees. 1 1
Warcodered Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Once again, that is your unsupportable interpretation of the words. The only interpretation based on the quoted words is that Marcel is not a christian or doesn't believe the Bible is valid? If Marcel was a Christian he wouldn't view Fromm's admission that he wasn't going to get political as a dodge? Father forgive whatdrought for he know not what he done. I'd say my issue is that Marcel is essentially saying that Fromm has to answer this question and give a significant answer but that's not true Fromm doesn't have tell him *****.
MJS Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: But a lot of people don’t pay attention to that rule. Our leader is someone whose whole political career is trashing people. And some Christians praise the guy like he is a god. It’s weird. Oh I agree. I find Trump to be wildly inappropriate and immoral and I am confused too that so many Christians are willing to overlook that. I think if most were honest they would prefer some different figurehead, but it comes down to a fear of what domocratic leaders would do instead of really believing in the republican representative. 1
DFT Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Marcel didn't disrespect Fromm's faith. Only a person with a persecution complex would suggest otherwise. I don’t think you and I are going to agree and that is totally OK. So let’s just agree to disagree.
MJS Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, Doc said: More mountains being made out of mole hills. more mountains being made out of mole hills.:rolleyes: That's the culture we have chosen, unfortunately.
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