Another Bills reporter trying to make himself the story

[NoSaint]

25 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I don’t think I misrepresented it.. I know exactly what it says but paraphrased.  I still feel the exact same way.  The fact “fathers” doesn’t even appear in the statement isn’t what I’m here for.  It’s clearly intentionally worded.. they didn’t just forget to add that. 

If you read what it says and summarize it as “dismantling the nuclear family” I’m going to go ahead and opt out of further discussion. I’ve got better things to do with my time then to argue online with someone that is so willfully mischaracterizing a statement.

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

If you read what it says and summarize it as “dismantling the nuclear family” I’m going to go ahead and opt out of further discussion. I’ve got better things to do with my time then to argue online with someone that is so willfully mischaracterizing a statement.

You’re way too sensitive about semantics to be open to discussion, or so it seems.  I’ll acquiesce for exactly how it’s written, as you linked, and reiterated my issue with wanting to see what that part, (the whole paragraph) specifically, means.  I answered you as thoughtfully as possible while stating I partially understand where they’re coming from on village care and you’re fixated on a paraphrase.  The term “fathers” was left out intentionally and I have a problem with just giving up on the idea of promoting fatherhood (and mother/father units) in black communities. 
 

 

Edited August 8, 2020 by SCBills

[JoPoy88]

17 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

We'll see, think this reporter just showed some real ugliness.

More or less “ugly” than Fromm’s tweet in question? Let me guess, to you that was “no big deal.” But enlighten me new guy

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

31 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

At least he’s not Rodak. 
 

haha— I was going to post the exact same thing.  

Anyone in the world > Rodak.

[Sig1Hunter]

23 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

More or less “ugly” than Fromm’s tweet in question? Let me guess, to you that was “no big deal.” But enlighten me new guy

It wasn’t a tweet. It was a private text message sent to someone else. Presumably it was a joke and in poor taste. Are your text messages squeaky clean? Or can you understand guys make stupid jokes in private that have a different luster when exposed to the public at large?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

46 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

We'll see, think this reporter just showed some real ugliness.

have you looked out the window?  
 

the world is ugly.  
 

The subject was broached. 
 

much has changed since the last time it was spoken of

Edited August 8, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[JohnNord]

I really like Marcel - he seems like a real good guy.  But you could tell that he was extremely offended. by Fromm’s comments in the text messages back in June.  
 

In terms of Fromm, he might be correct that his answer could have directly addressed some of the concerns that critics like Marcel said about his text messages.  I’m guessing that Fromm didn’t want to to go anywhere near making a public comment on the topic of racism for fear of saying the wrong thing.

Edited August 8, 2020 by JohnNord

[4merper4mer]

8 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

More or less “ugly” than Fromm’s tweet in question? Let me guess, to you that was “no big deal.” But enlighten me new guy

I agree the anti-gun left wing opinions expressed by Fromm were bad.  I also didn't like that he dismissed people based on race and economics.  Even if he was joking, which he probably was, it was a bad joke IMO.  

 

I guess I'll cut him a little slack....not much...on the race stuff because he was young.  I'll cut him more slack on the left wing junk because kids tend to be ignorant about that kind of stuff.

[GoBills808]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

I agree the anti-gun left wing opinions expressed by Fromm were bad.  I also didn't like that he dismissed people based on race and economics.  Even if he was joking, which he probably was, it was a bad joke IMO.  

 

I guess I'll cut him a little slack....not much...on the race stuff because he was young.  I'll cut him more slack on the left wing junk because kids tend to be ignorant about that kind of stuff.

Yup Fromm and the NRA, just a bunch of left wing anti-gunners.

[JohnNord]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

 

This

 

I think he was trying to avoid the topic all together 

[4merper4mer]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Yup Fromm and the NRA, just a bunch of left wing anti-gunners.

Huh?  Fromm's text pretty much implied he was a gun control advocate.

[Sig1Hunter]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yup Fromm and the NRA, just a bunch of left wing anti-gunners.

Well, Fromms statement in the text message aligns more with a leftist POV  than the NRAs.

[GoBills808]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

Huh?  Fromm's text pretty much implied he was a gun control advocate.

Oh, you weren't aware that the NRA also favors race-based gun control legislation?

[JoPoy88]

Just now, Sig1Hunter said:

It wasn’t a tweet. It was a private text message sent to someone else. Presumably it was a joke and in poor taste. Are your text messages squeaky clean? Or can you understand guys make stupid jokes in private that have a different luster when exposed to the public at large?

yes a text not a tweet, my mistake. My question to the other poster still stands, but you can answer it too if you like. 
 

and yes, I get that stupid jokes get made in private and that’s unlikely to change. No problem with that. But private comments (jokingly or not) invariably are more honest than public statements. So I think what MLJ and other reporters were trying to tease out of Fromm were the reasons why he thinks like that, jokes like that, and what exactly he’s learned since someone in that private conversation decided to dime him in and leak his “joke.” Fromm’s answer was a simple, vague, platitudinous non-answer about god and “loving each other.” Which is what we’ve all come to expect from pro athletes, but still.

 

All that said, the correct response from MLJ would have been to press Fromm and rephrase his question to give Fromm a chance to elaborate. Instead, MLJ went and sniped him on twitter after the fact. That isn’t cool either, but I wouldn’t characterize it as “ugly.”

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Well, Fromms statement in the text message aligns more with a leftist POV  than the NRAs.

It actually reads like the Mulford Act

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. He isn't. Playing the religion card however is a cop out. 

I’ve seen this posted a few times here.  
 

Would you be willing to share what you mean by this?   What, exactly is he copping out from?  Did he not want to share his stories of  personal growth because it was just that-intensely personal and private?  Or, are you of the mind he experienced no personal growth at all, and thus had nothing to share and chose not to be honest?  
 

I suppose I’m struck by the fact that a young man who nearly decapitated his career before it began would ever speak to any reporter, ever.  There is very little upside for him.  

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Oh, you weren't aware that the NRA also favors race-based gun control legislation?

My recollection was that Fromm implied nobody should have guns...then joked....well maybe elite white people.  I took that to mean most whites would also be excluded.  Elite is definitely a qualifying word.

 

And that NRA comment begs for proof but this is probably the wrong thread.

[Sig1Hunter]

12 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

yes a text not a tweet, my mistake. My question to the other poster still stands, but you can answer it too if you like. 
 

and yes, I get that stupid jokes get made in private and that’s unlikely to change. No problem with that. But private comments (jokingly or not) invariably are more honest than public statements. So I think what MLJ and other reporters were trying to tease out of Fromm were the reasons why he thinks like that, jokes like that, and what exactly he’s learned since someone in that private conversation decided to dime him in and leak his “joke.” Fromm’s answer was a simple, vague, platitudinous non-answer about god and “loving each other.” Which is what we’ve all come to expect from pro athletes, but still.

 

All that said, the correct response from MLJ would have been to press Fromm and rephrase his question to give Fromm a chance to elaborate. Instead, MLJ went and sniped him on twitter after the fact. That isn’t cool either, but I wouldn’t characterize it as “ugly.”

I don’t disagree with your post, in general. I don’t have an issue with the question from the reporter, and i don’t have an issue with the answer by Fromm. I only have an issue with the reporter making the judgement on what is and what is not acceptable. 
 

I do think private text messages should be viewed as such. In this case, the woman exposed the text exchange because she felt that Fromm’s career was built on the backs of black people (ummmm what?) and he was not being vocal on the BLM movement. So, because she believes these things (and he doesn’t?), she felt it right to expose him as a racist. The text does no such thing. It only exposes her as a card carrying member of the thought police. Ironically, her identity has remained confidential. I mean, she even laughed at his joke. Wouldn’t that make her a racist too?

Edited August 8, 2020 by Sig1Hunter

[Mike in Horseheads]

20 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

My recollection was that Fromm implied nobody should have guns...then joked....well maybe elite white people.  I took that to mean most whites would also be excluded.  Elite is definitely a qualifying word.

 

And that NRA comment begs for proof but this is probably the wrong thread.

Why is it the wrong thread? Everything else but the kitchen sink has been in here?

[JoPoy88]

10 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

I don’t disagree with your post, in general. I don’t have an issue with the question from the reporter, and i don’t have an issue with the answer by Fromm. I only have an issue with the reporter making the judgement on what is and what is not acceptable. 
 

I do think private text messages should be viewed as such. In this case, the woman exposed the text exchange because she felt that Fromm’s career was built on the backs of black people (ummmm what?) and he was not being vocal on the BLM movement. So, because she believes these things (and he doesn’t?), she felt it right to expose him as a racist. The text does no such thing. It only exposes her as a card carrying member of the thought police. Ironically, her identity has remained confidential. I mean, she even laughed at his joke. Wouldn’t that make her a racist too?

i agree with all of this to a certain extent. MLJ would have served himself better if he would have explained why he thought Fromm’s answer was unacceptable instead of just stating it as if it was self-evident. (MLJ did elaborate a bit later on in a response to Jason Whitlock on twitter, fwiw.) But again, part of the reason athletes get away with non-answers like Fromm’s ALL THE TIME is because reporters do not press these guys ever for fear of public rebuke, lost access, or whatever else and MLJ seems guilty of that today.

 

as to the leaker and her motivations, I don’t know them for certain, but I doubt they were noble.