Mrbojanglezs Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) Bills should be trying to roll as much of this as possible to next year. Stars original cap hit this year will post next year and we have some re-signing to do and cap is likely going down Edited August 7, 2020 by Mrbojanglezs 8 1 2
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 Do we pay some people early, roll it forward or make some around here happy by bringing in Clowney? 1
buffaloboyinATL Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Do we pay some people early, roll it forward or make some around here happy by bringing in Clowney? Clowney is tempting, but I hope they use the money to front load a few deals with the guys we already have, like Tre, and lock them in for a few years. 3
Mango Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Bills should be trying to roll as much of this as possible to next year. Stars original cap hit this year will post next year and we have some re-signing to do and cap is likely going down Estimations are pretty wild, anywhere from dropping it 30M to keeping it flat for 2021. This seems like a slam dunk for the owners to agree with the CBA on and at least keep it flat. Dropping the cap 30M is detrimental to literally every team in the league, especially when revenues go back up with people in the stands in 2021. The NFL is in a good spot, the TV contract covers the entire salary cap plus another $60M. And that is if they spend 100% of the cap. I would be surprised if any team goes into the red this year. This year teams may barely break even year for owners. It hurts teams much more in the long term to drop the cap and have teams lose talent because of a pandemic. They can make it work. It just depends if owners want to try and make back lost profits. Edit: Sportrac is estimating $175M. With roll over, if that happens, the Bills only have $8M in space next year. Definitely some space to for cuts to make more room, but it would be much tighter than expected. Edited August 7, 2020 by Mango More info 2
BarleyNY Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Do we pay some people early, roll it forward or make some around here happy by bringing in Clowney? We should sit pretty tight IMO. There are going to be some tremendous bargains next offseason due to a lowered cap and a bunch of teams having to create a lot of space. Free agency and the trade market for high priced players will both be buyer’s markets. I would still extend Tre in a way that deferred his big hits to 2022 and beyond though. That won’t hurt us. Things have a chance to get ugly between owners. Teams like Philly are going to ask for special rules to help them through their cap situation. Teams like the Bills who are flush with space will not be having any of that. I suspect that the latter group will win out. 5
First Round Bust Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 does not include Brian Winter cap for 2020 - which should eat into by several million more - Beano no like to dip below 15M for wiggle room and carryover
machine gun kelly Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 Winters is $3 mil. Total, but $2 mil. up front. Spotrac is funky this morning as it adds the front load of Diggs, but projecting more, significantly more than the $22 + mil., which is what I expected. Enough on the Clowney thing. We would have gone after him already, but we purged the Dareus type contracts and Clowney had 3 sacks last year. He never seems to play a whole season. White, Dawkins, Milano, a California going down by -$35 mil., and then on the horizon is Edmunds, Allen, if we extend Poyer and/or Hyde in two years. We need to be smart with our $ and Beane has proven to do so. So no more additions, and make the most of the team we have now. We have the highest starting return snaps in the league which is great from 2019. We are in very good shape for 2020 due to retaining so many of the players, and the negatives from other teams with tons of new faces like Miami. We !so don’t have a rookie QB, or HC. We’re in a great spot guys. I trust McBeane with all of my heart and gut. 5 1
BarleyNY Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mango said: Estimations are pretty wild, anywhere from dropping it 30M to keeping it flat for 2021. This seems like a slam dunk for the owners to agree with the CBA on and at least keep it flat. Dropping the cap 30M is detrimental to literally every team in the league, especially when revenues go back up with people in the stands in 2021. The NFL is in a good spot, the TV contract covers the entire salary cap plus another $60M. And that is if they spend 100% of the cap. I would be surprised if any team goes into the red this year. This year teams may barely break even year for owners. It hurts teams much more in the long term to drop the cap and have teams lose talent because of a pandemic. They can make it work. It just depends if owners want to try and make back lost profits. The real problem is that the CBA already states how the cap is determined. The NFL (owners) can’t change that without approval from the NFLPA (players). While I agree that a cap decrease would hurt some teams and some players, it’ll be welcomed by some teams. The owners are going to have to agree on something before taking it to the players - and that might be easier said than done. There are real issues with some owners having the cash to do something like keeping the cap artificially high. A reasonable option to keep the cap flat would be for the NFL to issue debt like bonds and/or loans from large banks to make up the revenue difference for 2020. Then they’d pay that back over the remaining 9 seasons of the CBA. The payments would be deducted from the future revenue and thus lower the players’ cut (cap) in those future years. The NFL certainly has the fiscal strength to carry a couple billion in debt and the expected increase in revenues from new TV deals starting in 2022 would help smooth things out nicely. It could work if everyone wants it to. 1
BornAgainBillsFan Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 I could be wrong, but I suspect there will be some players who volunteer to take a 1 year pay cut next year, if it guarantees that they won't be cut.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 35 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Do we pay some people early, roll it forward or make some around here happy by bringing in Clowney? Paying early doesn't make sense. You just carry it over and pay them next year. Can't carry it over twice anyway. Considering addison/hughes and their salaries, i don't think they bring in clowney. In fact i think its more likely they just cut murphy and use that money to help secure milano/dawkins/white long term. 6 minutes ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: I could be wrong, but I suspect there will be some players who volunteer to take a 1 year pay cut next year, if it guarantees that they won't be cut. I think extensions and re-structures are possible for players like poyer, hughes, maybe john brown. Gets some cap pushed out for next year should they need it, but honestly right now they're ok. Probably save those types of moves for if/when you have to pay allen. 1
Seasons1992 Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Clowney is tempting, but I hope they use the money to front load a few deals with the guys we already have, like Tre, and lock them in for a few years. Exactly........smart money is on getting the superstars signed and kept for the next Olympiad, as the window is now open. 1
Mango Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: The real problem is that the CBA already states how the cap is determined. The NFL (owners) can’t change that without approval from the NFLPA (players). While I agree that a cap decrease would hurt some teams and some players, it’ll be welcomed by some teams. The owners are going to have to agree on something before taking it to the players - and that might be easier said than done. There are real issues with some owners having the cash to do something like keeping the cap artificially high. A reasonable option to keep the cap flat would be for the NFL to issue debt like bonds and/or loans from large banks to make up the revenue difference for 2020. Then they’d pay that back over the remaining 9 seasons of the CBA. The payments would be deducted from the future revenue and thus lower the players’ cut (cap) in those future years. The NFL certainly has the fiscal strength to carry a couple billion in debt and the expected increase in revenues from new TV deals starting in 2022 would help smooth things out nicely. It could work if everyone wants it to. That makes sense.The $175M floor is already a change to the CBA, so I do not think making another amendment is an issue. Regarding the bonds, they can afford to carry the debt for sure, but I am not sure they need to. That $175M is also based on expected regular season TV revenue this season. I get the sense the NFL is trying use the decreased revenue while maintain GP $. I honestly do not know the total overhead of an NFL team, but I would think that 100% of the cap +60M should be enough to cover a vast majority of it. Could be wrong, but I don't think I am far off. From my point of view, if the league gets in a full season, with no fans, and a full superbowl run, there should be enough cash in TV revenue alone to break even this year. In that scenario, there is no reason to take out any bonds unless you are trying to maintain GP$. If they don't get in a full season (seems likely), they will absolutely need to take on debt. If they get a full run, once they calculate in SB revenue and the extra playoff games, the cap may end up being the same again anyways, and our whole conversation is worthless. haha 1
BarleyNY Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mango said: That makes sense.The $175M floor is already a change to the CBA, so I do not think making another amendment is an issue. Regarding the bonds, they can afford to carry the debt for sure, but I am not sure they need to. That $175M is also based on expected regular season TV revenue this season. I get the sense the NFL is trying use the decreased revenue while maintain GP $. I honestly do not know the total overhead of an NFL team, but I would think that 100% of the cap +60M should be enough to cover a vast majority of it. Could be wrong, but I don't think I am far off. From my point of view, if the league gets in a full season, with no fans, and a full superbowl run, there should be enough cash in TV revenue alone to break even this year. In that scenario, there is no reason to take out any bonds unless you are trying to maintain GP$. If they don't get in a full season (seems likely), they will absolutely need to take on debt. If they get a full run, once they calculate in SB revenue and the extra playoff games, the cap may end up being the same again anyways, and our whole conversation is worthless. haha I agree with you. It seems like the deal has already been struck with the $175M floor, which seems like a better solution anyway. The biggest issue with taking on that kind of debt would’ve been if something like this happened again or, god forbid, were to continue through 2021. The current deal avoids that bigger issue. 1
GunnerBill Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 57 minutes ago, Mango said: Estimations are pretty wild, anywhere from dropping it 30M to keeping it flat for 2021. This seems like a slam dunk for the owners to agree with the CBA on and at least keep it flat. Dropping the cap 30M is detrimental to literally every team in the league, especially when revenues go back up with people in the stands in 2021. The NFL is in a good spot, the TV contract covers the entire salary cap plus another $60M. And that is if they spend 100% of the cap. I would be surprised if any team goes into the red this year. This year teams may barely break even year for owners. It hurts teams much more in the long term to drop the cap and have teams lose talent because of a pandemic. They can make it work. It just depends if owners want to try and make back lost profits. Edit: Sportrac is estimating $175M. With roll over, if that happens, the Bills only have $8M in space next year. Definitely some space to for cuts to make more room, but it would be much tighter than expected. $175m is what the league has agreed is the minimum it will be, which is a $25m reduction. Beane said Sunday that he and other GMs he has talked to are planning on that basis.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: $175m is what the league has agreed is the minimum it will be, which is a $25m reduction. Beane said Sunday that he and other GMs he has talked to are planning on that basis. GMs are assuming $175, but if I'm Tre's representation, I'm arguing that it will be higher.
GunnerBill Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: GMs are assuming $175, but if I'm Tre's representation, I'm arguing that it will be higher. I don't think Tre is getting a deal until it is known now. 2
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