Black Lives Matter Messaging at "The Stadium"

[dickleyjones]

ahhh the ignorance and not listening continues...

 

and i really don't get it. it seems simple to me. when someone tells you they are hurting, you listen, and you do what you can to help.

[I-town Bills]

19 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Bull, I’m sorry that’s been your experience, should not ever happen that way. Sadly, not all who profess to follow Christ actually do. But don’t let imperfect people cloud the actual message, is all I would say to that. 

BLM is a social movement for justice. Dismissing their cred because of a website is just a new brand of smear. Let's just focus on respecting everyone, ,and think out of the box on this one. We can all do better without losing our own rights. In a league with 70% AA there should not be any question of NFL support. This also takes precedence over any issues that some fans do not want to hear about. The tide is rising and against you. If you feel that offended by the athletes try another sports venue.

[SoCal Deek]

26 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

When they talk about the nuclear family, they are talking about the idealized family model.  So, rather than preferring a father, a mother, and then siblings, they advocate a community approach. That is what they mean when they say they want to do away with the nuclear family. Families that are missing a father, headed by a grandparent, etc., still fall within the framework of a nuclear family, because that is what is being mimicked.  BLM is saying the family model should be one where all members of the community, e.g. neighbors, guide and are responsible for the children.  

Ha!  What would you expect from a part of society that has watched the systematic destruction of the nuclear family and all of the societal havoc it has reaped on everyone they know?  Would you expect them to take responsibility for their own actions?  Would you expect them to make the really hard personal choices to the 'do the right thing"?  Nope!  Instead they take it as a given that what we all know works, is way too hard for them, and instead now DEMAND that everyone else give them money and raise their children while DEMANDING that we all feel bad about ourselves in the process.  Here's a hint.......Make good choices in life every day, and it won't make any difference what color your skin is! 

[HamSandwhich]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Read it again, you didn't understand it. It's explicitly stated that nuclear families are not a requirement. They are one of many valid options.

If that’s what they’re saying, they are not clearly stating that. They had said straight up that they reject the western view of nuclear family, not we accept the nuclear family but would like others to be held up too. It’s very clear what they think about it and the viewpoint they hold is a Marxist collectivist/socialist viewpoint. 

8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Also, you didn't answer my question about socialism. Do you not believe that you can be a socialist and have a nuclear family? I don't think you understand what socialism is, and just use it as a slur.

Yes I do. 

You sure can, but the second part of your statement with the collectivist view IS a precursor to Socialism, the nuclear family is not.

[Kelly the Dog]

The Pegulas should just name it BLM Stadium and have Bills fans donate to a GoFundMe kind of giant wallet with small print that says “BLM” actually stands for “Bills Love Money”

 

That way the vast majority of the public won’t understand, like usual, and all the lefties and righties can benefit and claim moral high ground benefitting their causes. 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said:

If that’s what they’re saying, they are not clearly stating that. They had said straight up that they reject the western view of nuclear family, not we accept the nuclear family but would like others to be held up too. It’s very clear what they think about it and the viewpoint they hold is a Marxist collectivist/socialist viewpoint. 

You sure can, but the second part of your statement with the collectivist view IS a precursor to Socialism, the nuclear family is not.

For the benefit of all, the word 'socialism' isn't really used correctly today. Socialism is supposed to mean that the means of production, distribution, and exchange are controlled by the people (which isn't really possible on a large scale).

 

Marx believed that socialism is a transitional state to communism. Communism is a more extreme form of socialism. For instance, individuals cannot own property under communism. But I don't really think true communism is really that possible on a large scale either.

 

What most people are talking about is called "Statism". High Statism means the government, rather than individuals or businesses, owns and controls major industries and the economy is planned centrally.

[BullBuchanan]

 

55 minutes ago, MJS said:

For the benefit of all, the word 'socialism' isn't really used correctly today. Socialism is supposed to mean that the means of production, distribution, and exchange are controlled by the people (which isn't really possible on a large scale).

 

Marx believed that socialism is a transitional state to communism. Communism is a more extreme form of socialism. For instance, individuals cannot own property under communism. But I don't really think true communism is really that possible on a large scale either.

 

What most people are talking about is called "Statism". High Statism means the government, rather than individuals or businesses, owns and controls major industries and the economy is planned centrally.

 Yup. But also just because Marx believed socialism was a transformative state to communism doesn't mean that it must be so. In addition, economies are not required to exist in a pure ideology. There are many countries, namely African nations that embrace capitalism far more than we do in America. The concept of  strong trade unions is also a central socialist principle. You can be politically socialist and advocate for workers owning more share of the means of production without the abolition of private enterprise or a free market. There are no absolutes and everything exists on a scale.

Asking folks to have nuanced conversations can sometimes be a tall order today.

2 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

If that’s what they’re saying, they are not clearly stating that. They had said straight up that they reject the western view of nuclear family, not we accept the nuclear family but would like others to be held up too. It’s very clear what they think about it and the viewpoint they hold is a Marxist collectivist/socialist viewpoint. 

You sure can, but the second part of your statement with the collectivist view IS a precursor to Socialism, the nuclear family is not.

Incorrect. "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement"

"Requirement" is the operative word. It's not my opinion - it's how sentences and words work.

Edited July 30, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[HamSandwhich]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

For the benefit of all, the word 'socialism' isn't really used correctly today. Socialism is supposed to mean that the means of production, distribution, and exchange are controlled by the people (which isn't really possible on a large scale).

 

Marx believed that socialism is a transitional state to communism. Communism is a more extreme form of socialism. For instance, individuals cannot own property under communism. But I don't really think true communism is really that possible on a large scale either.

 

What most people are talking about is called "Statism". High Statism means the government, rather than individuals or businesses, owns and controls major industries and the economy is planned centrally.

Your premises are correct, that is what they want. Communism would give them the ultimate power. The destruction of the idea of the nuclear family for the collective viewpoint is a microcosm of that. On every level they want to be collective. 

37 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

 Yup. But also just because Marx believed socialism was a transformative state to communism doesn't mean that it must be so. In addition, economies are not required to exist in a pure ideology. There are many countries, namely African nations that embrace capitalism far more than we do in America. The concept of  strong trade unions is also a central socialist principle. You can be politically socialist and advocate for workers owning more share of the means of production without the abolition of private enterprise or a free market. There are no absolutes and everything exists on a scale.

Asking folks to have nuanced conversations can sometimes be a tall order today.

Incorrect. "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement"

"Requirement" is the operative word. It's not my opinion - it's how sentences and words work.

They’ve changed their verbiage from the initial, but they still do believe what they initially stated. No doubt about it. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

For the benefit of all, the word 'socialism' isn't really used correctly today. Socialism is supposed to mean that the means of production, distribution, and exchange are controlled by the people (which isn't really possible on a large scale).

 

Marx believed that socialism is a transitional state to communism. Communism is a more extreme form of socialism. For instance, individuals cannot own property under communism. But I don't really think true communism is really that possible on a large scale either.

 

What most people are talking about is called "Statism". High Statism means the government, rather than individuals or businesses, owns and controls major industries and the economy is planned centrally.

I completely disagree.  What most people call Socialism today is not about controlling the means of production and distribution at all. It is instead a system in which after the private market produces and distributes goods and services, government comes in and supplies all other basic social services (education, health care, internet, a cell phone, etc) in an effort to flatten the disparity between rich and poor.  It means there's essentially a base level minimum state of existence where the federal government supplements (or negates) the free market. It's a system in which the common denominator of services (things that everyone buys and consumes) are paid for by 'others' through MAJOR taxation.  The problem, other than the obvious, is that the list of things the Left considers as a basic "human right" to quote Bernie, keeps growing all the time.

[Mr. WEO]

On 7/29/2020 at 7:00 PM, DFT said:

Wiki can be edited by anyone.  The first indication that it’s compromised is the “far-right” mention regarding a word derived from 1914 Italy.  Unfortunately, most Americans wouldn’t recognize TRUE fascism today, because the word’s meaning has been altered to fit their narrative.  It’s become just another word with amplified meaning that can change based on how the user chooses.  

Webster’s defined...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Definition of fascism

 

1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascismand brutality— J. W. Aldridge

 

 

I included this, bro.

[klos63]

7 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

They sure know how to get together in large numbers and cause disruption in various places.

 

That's quite impressive for people who are not organized.

just because trump ,barr and the police say it's antifa, doesn't mean it's true.  Lot of lies from those 3.

4 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

They said on their site until recently, for everyone to see, they were against the idea of nuclear families. No one has to make this up, just believe them when they tell you what they’re about. 

I see, so socialism? They seek to burn the status quo to the ground so that they can build the culture back up in their image. So that they can be the power brokers, it’s all a power grab. The critical race theory that they base this BS on is about putting races against each other. When has that ever don’t anything more than turn into bloodshed taken to its logical conclusion? Yet, the likes of crazy cat lady Robin DiAngelo says we have to see race and judge based on race? What the hell is wrong with this world? 

That's how you interpret that statement from BLM website, quite a reach , wouldn't you say.

[Mark Vader]

16 minutes ago, klos63 said:

just because trump ,barr and the police say it's antifa, doesn't mean it's true.  Lot of lies from those 3.

So there is no chance at all that it's Antifa? Not even in the most remote possibility?

[MJS]

20 minutes ago, klos63 said:

just because trump ,barr and the police say it's antifa, doesn't mean it's true.  Lot of lies from those 3.

There are equal lies on all fronts, I'd say. If there's something our leaders have in common regardless of political leanings it is dishonesty.

[klos63]

47 minutes ago, MJS said:

There are equal lies on all fronts, I'd say. If there's something our leaders have in common regardless of political leanings it is dishonesty.

everyone lies, i agree, not equal though.

52 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

So there is no chance at all that it's Antifa? Not even in the most remote possibility?

again, antifa isn't an organized group. I marched in a BLM protest a couple months ago.  I'm also against fascism, does that mean it was an antifa march?

[swimtoga]

7 hours ago, dwight in philly said:

Go to "black lives matter" 

All due respect , i think you are full of sh @#t its not about antifa.. its about what "black lives matter" actually is . 

I did go to their website. Didn’t see where it said that.

[Mark Vader]

6 minutes ago, klos63 said:

everyone lies, i agree, not equal though.

again, antifa isn't an organized group. I marched in a BLM protest a couple months ago.  I'm also against fascism, does that mean it was an antifa march?

So if they are not an organized group, then what are they?

[BullBuchanan]

19 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

So if they are not an organized group, then what are they?

I provided you an answer for this numerous times. Why do you keep asking?

They are analogous to any other group of people with a shared mission/beliefs 2A Supporters, "Patriots", Pride, Pro-choice, Pro-life, etc.

Antifa's cause is fighting fascists.

To help you understand there are also many small organized groups that do have leadership that may decide to attend rallies or protests under an Antifa banner. That doesn't make any one them "Antifa" they are all Antifa. The original formation of Antifa was the  Antifaschistische Aktion, which was an official German Organization that fought the Nazis in Germany but that is drastically different than what it is today. Today it is merely a symbol that represent a common set of shared beliefs.

Edit:

For what it's worth, I likely would not have been very sympathetic the the  Antifaschistische Aktion. While I am decidedly anti-fascist, I am also not a Stalinist. However, I don't need to align with everything in a name's past to agree with its present and vice-versa.  For instance, in a Teddy Roosevelt led USA, I would very much be aligned with Republicans, back when they were a progressive party. Teddy Roosevelt was practically the Bernie Sanders of his era. That started to shift with FDR, but the dixiecrats still had control when they forced FDR to abandon Henry Wallace as his VP in favor of someone more sympathetic to southern causes who could be manipulated in Harry Truman. It's one of the great untold travesties of our political history.

  History is complicated, and as I already mentioned, much of it shades of gray.

Edited July 31, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Dopey]

On 7/29/2020 at 4:53 PM, scuba guy said:

Your going to get blasted for that remark on this board.

 

But i here what you are saying 

Setting that is sponsored by the democrats goes against everything the NFL stands for.  I do not qualify for the 1200 check or unemployment. A lot of people have and some of them have not even had a job for 2 years but they still get the 600 a week. I was in the military and was shot at albit from drug rulers but I do know what it sounds like when small arms hit your helicopter. I also apply every year for grants to 5 different cities to work on my rental properties I never get any money 20 years friends always do.

Granted since college my best friends are 

 

Muslims (turkish)

Porta ricons

And 5 what I call my brothers and they are the fun ones always there for me and each other since I have no family.

 

 

 

I'm Puerto Rican and have some really good friends who are You Are Peeing. Can you and I be besties?

[Mark Vader]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I provided you an answer for this numerous times. Why do you keep asking?

They are analogous to any other group of people with a shared mission/beliefs 2A Supporters, "Patriots", Pride, Pro-choice, Pro-life, etc.

Antifa's cause is fighting fascists.

To help you understand there are also many small organized groups that do have leadership that may decide to attend rallies or protests under an Antifa banner. That doesn't make any one them "Antifa" they are all Antifa. The original formation of Antifa was the  Antifaschistische Aktion, which was an official German Organization that fought the Nazis in Germany but that is drastically different than what it is today. Today it is merely a symbol that represent a common set of shared beliefs.

I know what you said.

 

I was asking klos63, what he thinks.

[Dopey]

On 7/29/2020 at 8:12 PM, JaCrispy said:

Notice how “fathers” are conveniently left out because the founders of BLM are lesbians, and fathers represent the “patriarchy”...

 

This is not an accident or simple oversight...BLM are self described Marxists and Atheists who despise individual liberty and the Judeo-Christian teachings, which put a strong emphasis on fathers being responsible and taking care of their families...

 

Unfortunately, absent fathers are the #1 cause of poverty and criminality in the black community...looks like BLM is on the right track to helping black people...?

It's hard for fathers to be included when black men get 10-20 yrs for 15$ worth of crack and a white man gets probation for an oz. of coke(I've seen it done). Black men and men of color in general don't get the benefit from the legal system unless they have a ton of $ for attorney fees(OJ). That leads to too many men of color in prison and not at home. It's systematic. It sucks that I feel lucky to be a light skinned Puerto Rican vs family members who are as dark as night. 

Just my thoughts on the bold part of your post.