Mango Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, eball said: That’s correct, the decision is final once made. I just would have thought any players considering the opt-out would have already discussed this with their families/agents prior to reporting to training camp for COVID testing. But you’re right, there are probably still some guys on the fence and as Yolo noted, perhaps the paperwork being filed is another delay. I believe that the NFL and NFLPA are still hammering out how this works with the CBA. The deadline is either 5 or 7 days after that is finalized. So it is a moving target at the moment.
Rochesterfan Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 55 minutes ago, NoSaint said: that they may need to report before the terms of opt out are finalized seems not ideal. you think in a perfect world the window would be a few days prior through a few after (can avoid showing up or can come in and see protocols in action if you want) Agreed, but we all know and CBA process takes longer than it should.
Mango Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I totally understand the drive to be great. I played high-level football and sports my whole life I've gotten into fights on the pickup basketball court because I'm so competitive. I don't think I struggle with competitors striving to be great But by the time they reach that level a lot of them have lost their passion for the sport. You don't have to love something to strive to be great. That's just competitive nature “I got in a fight playing pick up basketball. I understand what it’s like to be an elite athlete” -Basically you My dad in his late 30’s got kicked out of a hockey league for getting in a fight, he also played varsity hockey, sign him up for team USA! 1
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 Was just a few weeks ago, the players were unified in a “we want to play” message to the NFL. Now, that Opt-Out parameters are in place with a stipend that still puts these athletes in the top 1%, this is all political to preserve their contract another year; hence also the reason for no preseason games. All about job security under the guise of protecting my family. I call B.S.
eball Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mango said: “I got in a fight playing pick up basketball. I understand what it’s like to be an elite athlete” -Basically you My dad in his late 30’s got kicked out of a hockey league for getting in a fight, he also played varsity hockey, sign him up for team USA! Buf716 is not having the greatest run on this board recently... 2 2
SCBills Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Was just a few weeks ago, the players were unified in a “we want to play” message to the NFL. Now, that Opt-Out parameters are in place with a stipend that still puts these athletes in the top 1%, this is all political to preserve their contract another year; hence also the reason for no preseason games. All about job security under the guise of protecting my family. I call B.S. I hate to be so cynical, but if a player has no underlying health issues and/or immediate family with underlying health issues, it certainly seems as though the opt-out is all about making sure you get paid regardless of how it effects your team. Star has every right to exercise this option, but I would be shocked if he was locking himself inside his house as to avoid catching COVID.
KD in CA Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, SCBills said: I hate to be so cynical, but if a player has no underlying health issues and/or immediate family with underlying health issues, it certainly seems as though the opt-out is all about making sure you get paid regardless of how it effects your team. Star has every right to exercise this option, but I would be shocked if he was locking himself inside his house as to avoid catching COVID. The first story/picture of an opt-out player hanging out on a crowded beach or playing basketball with friends is going to be fun. 1 2
plenzmd1 Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 29 minutes ago, SCBills said: I hate to be so cynical, but if a player has no underlying health issues and/or immediate family with underlying health issues, it certainly seems as though the opt-out is all about making sure you get paid regardless of how it effects your team. Star has every right to exercise this option, but I would be shocked if he was locking himself inside his house as to avoid catching COVID. I am still confused on the details..but if a player is putting at risk big money on whether the season will or will not occur, and he gets screwed if the season gets cancelled after a game or two...i would absolutely opt out if i was that player. Again, i don't fully understand these rules, so i could just be blowing smoke too
DCbillsfan Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I am still confused on the details..but if a player is putting at risk big money on whether the season will or will not occur, and he gets screwed if the season gets cancelled after a game or two...i would absolutely opt out if i was that player. Again, i don't fully understand these rules, so i could just be blowing smoke too My understanding is guaranteed money is lost if the season is canceled. Star was scheduled to make $4.5 M guaranteed money this season.
plenzmd1 Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: My understanding is guaranteed money is lost if the season is canceled. Star was scheduled to make $4.5 M guaranteed money this season. yea, i mean that a lot of cash to bet on a season be played 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Mango said: “I got in a fight playing pick up basketball. I understand what it’s like to be an elite athlete” -Basically you My dad in his late 30’s got kicked out of a hockey league for getting in a fight, he also played varsity hockey, sign him up for team USA! I guess it’s still better than, I watch a lot of espn, therefore I understand what it’s like to be an elite athlete. ?♂️ pro games also being so scripted and rehearsed, it takes the fun of freelance streetball out of it. I think it was farve that made a comment about trying to find ways to make the game fun.
SCBills Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 33 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I am still confused on the details..but if a player is putting at risk big money on whether the season will or will not occur, and he gets screwed if the season gets cancelled after a game or two...i would absolutely opt out if i was that player. Again, i don't fully understand these rules, so i could just be blowing smoke too Oh, I get it... He's just not a guy i'd want to ride with, especially when (so far) nobody else on our team has opted out....but I completely understand Star's point a view.
Mango Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I guess it’s still better than, I watch a lot of espn, therefore I understand what it’s like to be an elite athlete. ?♂️ pro games also being so scripted and rehearsed, it takes the fun of freelance streetball out of it. I think it was farve that made a comment about trying to find ways to make the game fun. Unsure if you’re first sentence is about me, but if you read my post above, I commented on what the shift is among elite/pro athletes. Specifically from my time living at the Olympic Training Center. To your second point. I agree, a coach needs to be able to integrate fun into the program. Loosen the reigns a bit and get back to the basics. Short term you may not see the effects on the athlete or team, but long term it does a whole lot.
iinii Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I totally understand the drive to be great. I played high-level football and sports my whole life I've gotten into fights on the pickup basketball court because I'm so competitive. I don't think I struggle with competitors striving to be great But by the time they reach that level a lot of them have lost their passion for the sport. You don't have to love something to strive to be great. That's just competitive nature We are the same side this time. I believe your points have merit. Take the big bucks out of the game and a lot of zeal and enthusiasm from many players would be gone. As you have pointed out and everyone typically agrees; it is a brutal game, especially at the highest level. Players walk away now, take the fat stacks away and many more will follow. I would say that many play because they have to. The skill set for football doesn’t transfer to many things and certainly none that pay as well. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mango said: Unsure if you’re first sentence is about me, but if you read my post above, I commented on what the shift is among elite/pro athletes. Specifically from my time living at the Olympic Training Center. To your second point. I agree, a coach needs to be able to integrate fun into the program. Loosen the reigns a bit and get back to the basics. Short term you may not see the effects on the athlete or team, but long term it does a whole lot. nope not at anyone was just first thought upon reading the other comment. in general I do think like all occupations, some truly love what they do, some do just it for the money, some lust for power or greatness. Sports is no different. 2
Saxum Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 5 hours ago, eball said: That’s correct, the decision is final once made. I just would have thought any players considering the opt-out would have already discussed this with their families/agents prior to reporting to training camp for COVID testing. But you’re right, there are probably still some guys on the fence and as Yolo noted, perhaps the paperwork being filed is another delay. Just because NFLPA agreed does not mean they will not take NFL to court and try to get exceptions, changes. etc. What they cannot get at bargaining table they try to get in court.
Saxum Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Was just a few weeks ago, the players were unified in a “we want to play” message to the NFL. Now, that Opt-Out parameters are in place with a stipend that still puts these athletes in the top 1%, this is all political to preserve their contract another year; hence also the reason for no preseason games. All about job security under the guise of protecting my family. I call B.S. Only those ruled for medical reasons get stipends for which every player's laywer is claiming applies to his client. The standard one is an advance but how the NFL is going to collect from players who are opting out and were undrafted and will probably spend the money is unclear.
whatdrought Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 So this isn’t really the thread for keeping track of voluntary opt outs, I see.... 3
Rc2catch Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: So this isn’t really the thread for keeping track of voluntary opt outs, I see.... lol not anymore. Some just can’t control themselves
DCofNC Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 Hard to believe that healthy young men are afraid of this virus, opting out means 1 of 4 things to me, 1) you don’t love the game 2) you are absolutely paranoid by everything the media says 3) you knew you were getting cut so you took the money 4) Because I know there was one case, your life mission is to help others and football doesn’t fit right now. 1 1
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