JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Why should our starting point be that "schools need to reopen"? Who agreed to that? I'm not saying its wrong, but why do you get to set the terms? This comes down to the value of life in preventable deaths and disability, and the party of "pro-life" and "family values" has taken a very hypocritical, but not unsurprising, stance here. People talking about re-opening are looking downfield before they've caught the ball, and we all know how that works out. Like I said, @wAcKy ZeBrA, this is the stuff I'm talking about. It's about politics. Not doing what's right.
BullBuchanan Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, PetermansRedemption said: It’s not true at all. It’s pure false. Proven false. Show me the source that mentions no post infection Covid immunity. I already did. People are reporting no antibodies after weeks or months. When we've had a raging pandemic for 5 months with no signs of slowing down, that means it could continue in perpetuity. Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Like I said, @wAcKy ZeBrA, this is the stuff I'm talking about. It's about politics. Not doing what's right. Politics? Maybe from you. I only care about my country.
billsfan89 Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, RiotAct said: I really don’t think the spikes were substantially from the protests... more people letting their guard down too much in general. (I’m someone who is disgusted with the media’s hypocrisy around coverage of these “peaceful” protests, by the way) The protests were according to research only responsible for a small part of the surge. Opening up too much for Memorial day and then July 4th was responsible. Places like Texas opening up bars were much more responsible for the surge than protests. I too questioned the likelihood of protests leading to cases and due to almost all of these protests taking place outdoors and high mask usage it appears they weren't too bad at spreading the illness.
Virgil Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 I really wish we knew who patient zero was for them and where they've been outside of the clubhouse. Between Dak and the NBA player caught going to a strip club, I want to know if this came from someone ignoring the COVID rule and being stupid, or COVID just finding it's way through the process. I get it, COVID is COVID, but like the NFL is trying to do, players should be held accountable for taking unnecessary risks; if that is the case here. It is terrifying though how quickly it spread through the clubhouse.
BullBuchanan Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, RiotAct said: The protests definitely didn’t help, that’s for sure. The public figures normalizing and encouraging the mass gatherings (while just having gotten finished lambasting the much smaller lockdown protests a month prior) was disgusting. yeah havent people already tested positive for it again recently after having it in March/April? Yea, but he's saying because you're immune for 4 weeks, that my statement of "no immunity" is technical false bECaUsE 4 wEeKs iSnT zEro. 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I already did. People are reporting no antibodies after weeks or months. When we've had a raging pandemic for 5 months with no signs of slowing down, that means it could continue in perpetuity. Politics? Maybe from you. I only care about my country. Says the guy who's only meaningful contribution is "this comes down to the value of life in preventable deaths and disability, and the party of "pro-life" and "family values" has taken a very hypocritical, but not unsurprising, stance here." Tell me more about how this is not politics. 1
Billl Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Why should our starting point be that "schools need to reopen"? Who agreed to that? I'm not saying its wrong, but why do you get to set the terms? This comes down to the value of life in preventable deaths and disability, and the party of "pro-life" and "family values" has taken a very hypocritical, but not unsurprising, stance here. People talking about re-opening are looking downfield before they've caught the ball, and we all know how that works out. Exactly. The starting point should be “kids shouldn’t die unnecessarily”. That doesn’t mean that schools can’t be open until we can guarantee zero kids could possibly die. That’s simply unrealistic, but it should be the starting point. From there we can begin to assess what we are capable of allowing our kids to do without subjecting them to unreasonable levels of danger. 1
BullBuchanan Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Says the guy who's only meaningful contribution is "this comes down to the value of life in preventable deaths and disability, and the party of "pro-life" and "family values" has taken a very hypocritical, but not unsurprising, stance here." Tell me more about how this is not politics. Because one party has politicized a pandemic and made it about identity politics and "freedoms" and the constitution or whatever. The house is burning down and while most people are trying to fix it, one specific group of people is trying to say we should be trying to move back in because 5sqft of the livingroom is fine. 1 1
Mickey Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: The point (again) is let's see how these 14 players fare with the virus. Will they recover from the symptoms quickly? Will they feel no symptoms at all? Will they require hospitalization? Again, 14 positive cases is just that...positive cases. At some point, the phrase "positive case" has been modified to mean "death sentence, morgues, tractor trailer coolers for dead bodies, lung scarring, fetus death". Sorry, I missed the memo on "positive cases" being redefined to mean "instant death". Home Depot is having a sale on straw this week for all your straw man building needs. 2
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Billl said: Exactly. The starting point should be “kids shouldn’t die unnecessarily”. That doesn’t mean that schools can’t be open until we can guarantee zero kids could possibly die. That’s simply unrealistic, but it should be the starting point. From there we can begin to assess what we are capable of allowing our kids to do without subjecting them to unreasonable levels of danger. Well, the science is pretty clear that COVID-19 isn't particularly dangerous for children. Fun fact: the CDC has only recorded 12 pediatric deaths due to COVID-19. For reference, the flu took 174 children this year, and the year before it took 400 children. We good now? 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Because one party has politicized a pandemic and made it about identity politics and "freedoms" and the constitution or whatever. The house is burning down and while most people are trying to fix it, one specific group of people is trying to say we should be trying to move back in because 5sqft of the livingroom is fine. Wow Edited July 27, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands 3
billsfan89 Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: I really wish we knew who patient zero was for them and where they've been outside of the clubhouse. Between Dak and the NBA player caught going to a strip club, I want to know if this came from someone ignoring the COVID rule and being stupid, or COVID just finding it's way through the process. I get it, COVID is COVID, but like the NFL is trying to do, players should be held accountable for taking unnecessary risks; if that is the case here. It is terrifying though how quickly it spread through the clubhouse. The league has to do its best to protect players from themselves. Not just to keep the league operating but to protect the older more vulnerable coaching and support staff's. The NFL needs to formulate a bubble plan asap. Have each division be in a bubble and then have other divisions travel to their bubbles. Find a way because right now there is no likelihood that hoping for "personal responsibility" is going to work.
BullBuchanan Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Well, the science is pretty clear that COVID-19 isn't particularly dangerous for children. Fun fact: the CDC has only recorded 12 pediatric deaths due to COVID-19. For reference, the flu took 174 children this year, and the year before it took 400 children. We good now? Dangerous can't be quantified by just deaths. Completely healthy young people are having strokes, heart attacks and organ failure possibly due to thickening of blood. 1
SCBills Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: The protests were according to research only responsible for a small part of the surge. Opening up too much for Memorial day and then July 4th was responsible. Places like Texas opening up bars were much more responsible for the surge than protests. I too questioned the likelihood of protests leading to cases and due to almost all of these protests taking place outdoors and high mask usage it appears they weren't too bad at spreading the illness. Cool - So let's allow fans at sporting events in limited capacity. Outside, wear masks - no problem. I am all for the protests, but it's absolutely hilarious when people try to convince others they didn't play much of a part in the spiking cases we saw after that. Population density seems to be driving this, and people crowded together in the streets - masks/no masks - is pretty dense. Also, bars are a problem for sure... but if we want to blame red state Texas, what's California's issue?
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: I really wish we knew who patient zero was for them and where they've been outside of the clubhouse. Between Dak and the NBA player caught going to a strip club, I want to know if this came from someone ignoring the COVID rule and being stupid, or COVID just finding it's way through the process. I get it, COVID is COVID, but like the NFL is trying to do, players should be held accountable for taking unnecessary risks; if that is the case here. It is terrifying though how quickly it spread through the clubhouse. Just heard an interview on the radio, didn't catch all of it, so not sure who it was from the Marlins who stated it didn't originate when the team was still located in Miami, it started after they left. So the people on the air connecting the dots were figuring he was implying it started when they went to Atlanta for an exhibition game.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: Dangerous can't be quantified by just deaths. Completely healthy young people are having strokes, heart attacks and organ failure possibly due to thickening of blood. You revealed yourself as not being a serious person to respond to a while back. Hence the "wow." 1
billsfan89 Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Well, the science is pretty clear that COVID-19 isn't particularly dangerous for children. Fun fact: the CDC has only recorded 12 pediatric deaths due to COVID-19. For reference, the flu took 174 children this year, and the year before it took 400 children. We good now? Wow The CDC has said children 10 to 19 (a vast amount of children going to school) can spread the illness. It just seems like a real risk to reopen schools. Unless schools can have a coherent plan to social distance and mandate masks and have PPE for teachers and staff. I get that there is benefit to children being in class for their education but unless there is a way to mitigate the risks coherently I think reopening schools is a bad idea. 1
BullBuchanan Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: You revealed yourself as not being a serious person to respond to a while back. Hence the "wow." And you believe you're not politicizing a virus, so lol. Take a look in the mirror, sport.
WEATHER DOT COM Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Well, the science is pretty clear that COVID-19 isn't particularly dangerous for children. Fun fact: the CDC has only recorded 12 pediatric deaths due to COVID-19. For reference, the flu took 174 children this year, and the year before it took 400 children. We good now? The science is pretty clear how dangerous COVID-19 is to people above 65 years of age and those with underlying conditions regardless of age. There are dozens of teachers, staff, bus drivers, etc. that fall into this category. Their health is required for students to learn appropriately. Also, any fact that talks about pediatric deaths is not fun. I think we should all be able to agree on that. 1
BringBackFergy Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mickey said: Sorry, I missed the memo on "positive cases" being redefined to mean "instant death". Home Depot is having a sale on straw this week for all your straw man building needs. I can't make it to Home Depot this week...I'm watching the "death ticker" on CNN and have $100 on the overs for elderly, diabetics and children learning shapes and colors. (I figured I'd draft your response for you because this is how emotionally charged, uber intelligent folks view anyone who might see things differently)
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 27, 2020 Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: The CDC has said children 10 to 19 (a vast amount of children going to school) can spread the illness. It just seems like a real risk to reopen schools. Unless schools can have a coherent plan to social distance and mandate masks and have PPE for teachers and staff. I get that there is benefit to children being in class for their education but unless there is a way to mitigate the risks coherently I think reopening schools is a bad idea. That is true. And I dont mean for my comment to suggest that there are not risks associated with opening schools. Its just important that all the facts are right. The fact that children are not at risk for this disease is an important fact of which people need to be aware, but which they are not. To be frank, there will be risk up until the point we have a vaccine. Waiting that long is not a realistic option. It just isn't. I think we can all agree on that, right? Maybe I presume too much.
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