Mr. WEO Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Nowhere did I say this was all about Gase. You made that up. But if that's all you got, go with it. I stick by my assertion that hiring Gase was a mistake because he's a bad HC and that the 2 late first rounders won't help them as much as Adams did. Start a thread about that then. "Nowhere"? You said "they had to trade him...because they hired Gase". Sure sounds like you are saying this is all about Gase right there--in fact you are saying that it was inevitable, because of Gase. Now you say it's not just because they hired Gase, and that Adams would certainly play for Gase if he got his new contract (which confirms it was not about Gase at all).
Doc Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Fair enough, I used 680 in this case because they aren’t being forced to wait they are doubling up. Usually you value the following year down a round because you are making the decision to wait on the asset (is this year’s 2nd for next year’s first). In this case the Jets are getting both. I like at it like this: if the Jets had traded Adams prior to the 2020 draft and traded all the picks they got for trading him at once, the value would be 310+136+49-39.5=455.5, which is the 45th overall pick. 1
NoSaint Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I think combining the 2 1st round picks into a #8 equivalent may be beside the point. They are getting 2 extra first round players out of the trade. Even "late" round picks have value over later rounds. They do. But in comparing hundred, twenty and ten dollar bills (or loose change) it’s worth noting these are maybe more like 20s or 50s when a lot of folks are thinking 100s Edited July 26, 2020 by NoSaint
Kirby Jackson Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, NoSaint said: They do. But in comparing hundred, twenty and ten dollar bills (or loose change) it’s worth noting these are maybe more like 20s or 50s when a lot of folks are thinking 100s I think that the expectation of late 1st round picks are “quality starter” types. You can hit on a guy like Tre but could also end up with Penny. The likely scenario at the back of the 1st round are core type of starters (especially on a team lacking talent like the Jets). The Jets probably get a couple of starters with those picks but it’s unlikely they get a player the caliber of Adams.
Mr. WEO Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, NoSaint said: They do. But in comparing hundred, twenty and ten dollar bills (or loose change) it’s worth noting these are maybe more like 20s or 50s If the best player on your team is a Safety and you need more talent then you trade your defender for assets (picks). Raiders did this with Mack (who is far more valuable to any D than any Safety) and I think it was a smart move for a new coach looking to remake the roster. The Bears got nowhere with that trade--9th in points allowed in '17, 4th last year and now settling in as an 8-8 team with no offense. The Jets won't be much worse without Adams as far as wins/losses. Their fortunes are riding Dalton, not on an Adams-led D that was 16th in points given up last year.
Doc Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Start a thread about that then. "Nowhere"? You said "they had to trade him...because they hired Gase". Sure sounds like you are saying this is all about Gase right there--in fact you are saying that it was inevitable, because of Gase. Now you say it's not just because they hired Gase, and that Adams would certainly play for Gase if he got his new contract (which confirms it was not about Gase at all). Like I said, nowhere did I say this was "all" because of Gase. Situations rarely deteriotrate over just one thing. Do I need to mention every reason why he had to be traded? If it will make it easier for you and prevent your incessant posts, I will.
Mr. WEO Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, Doc said: Like I said, nowhere did I say this was "all" because of Gase. Situations rarely deteriotrate over just one thing. Do I need to mention every reason why he had to be traded? If it will make it easier for you and prevent your incessant posts, I will. "they had to trade him...because they hired Gase" You listed no other "things"...no other reasons, even after I questioned your claim. Now that I have posted Adam's and Gase's own comments disproving that....you say that's not what you really meant. Of course!
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 I recall when the Bills drafted Willis McGahee, comment was made by some writer(s) that using a 1st round pick on a guy that won't play for a year mean Greg Williams will be gone as their record won't improve much so he'll be fired and it did happen. See a similar thing here, these 1st round picks they just got will be a big help for the Jets next HC. In this case a little different as Gase maybe wanted him gone or at the least helped create a very bad situation with the team so he's part to blame.
BillsFan4 Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 17 hours ago, NewEra said: Glad he’s out of the division. Mad that the jets got such a great haul for a safety. This about sums up how I feel. Though Let’s see what they do with the picks before we start worrying about it. Joe Douglas might end up being a great GM or he might end up being just another crappy Jets GM in a long line of crappy Jets GMs... ?
Doc Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Gase blows. But he’s a goner at seasons end if he even makes it that far. I’d bet a whole lot of money on that.... so the draft picks have nothing to do with Gase. Yup. The countdown started when they hired him.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The Seahawks are usually pretty intelligent. I’m surprised they were the team that made this mistake. Maybe they are trying to get back to the LOB? But that defense was stacked all over. Not just at safety. And the best player in the secondary was probably Sherman. They don't have anyone on Sherman's level.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, SirAndrew said: The Jets got a good deal, but it’s funny how many people think this will be good for the Jets. They aren’t going anywhere with Gase in charge. The guy isn’t a leader, and he alienates everyone. Additionally, I’m not even convinced about the QB guru stuff with this guy. Isn't it good for the Jets by definition if it is a good deal for them? I'm with you on Gase but non of that really matters in just grading the trade.
mykidsdad Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 That is too much compensation for a safety. Wow. The Jets really fell into something good for a change. But the good news is they're still the Jets, and they'll waste these picks, too. If the Pat's just got two first round picks for a safety I'd be worried, but the Jets not so much.
Locomark Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 This is a win for the Jets long term and further pushes the Pats down to the cellar in the next 2 years. This draft capital makes this look like it could be a very tough division in a few years. We better go get some divisions NOW while the getting is easier.
DCofNC Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 Damn, that’s outstanding for the Jets. I’d make that deal without him yapping.
Thurman#1 Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 20 hours ago, patzen said: The Jets grossly mismanaged Adams but they really did get about as much as you possibly could get in return for him. They got worse in the short term but should be better long term for it. Yeah, they did really well to get that much. The 2021 draft picks may be a bit devalued, but the higher the pick the better you can ferret out guys who you think you've seen enough of. Nice deal by the Jets.
HappyDays Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 People still overrate draft picks. If you had 2 picks in the late 1st round and one of them turned into Jamal Adams you would be thrilled. The Seahawks traded a guess for a sure thing. That is what you do when you're a contender. It's the same reason the Bills traded for Diggs. The Jets now have no building blocks in their secondary and they have to hit on both picks as starters for the trade to be worth it. Great players > draft picks, every time. 2
Thurman#1 Posted July 26, 2020 Posted July 26, 2020 20 hours ago, patzen said: The Jets grossly mismanaged Adams but they really did get about as much as you possibly could get in return for him. They got worse in the short term but should be better long term for it. Yeah, they did really well to get that much. The 2021 draft picks may be a bit devalued, but the higher the pick the better you can ferret out guys who you think you've seen enough of. Nice deal by the Jets. 20 hours ago, patzen said: The Jets grossly mismanaged Adams but they really did get about as much as you possibly could get in return for him. They got worse in the short term but should be better long term for it. Yeah, they did really well to get that much. The 2021 draft picks may be a bit devalued, but the higher the pick the better you can ferret out guys who you think you've seen enough of. Nice deal by the Jets.
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