CNY315 Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Finished the season with a 6-2 record. One of those was mostly against the Bills 3rd quarter preseason team Edited July 25, 2020 by CNY315
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CNY315 said: One of those was mostly against the Bills 4th quarter preseason team Did the Bills not secure aa playoff birth both in 2017 and 2019 by beating a teams 4th String QB? 2017 vs Dolphins, Week 17, David Fales 2019 vs Steelers, Week 15, Duck Hodges Edited July 25, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 21 hours ago, Playoffs? said: Get your point... but I somewhat disagree. Teams need leaders. A poor coach/leader doesn’t usually work with a team of all stars and personalities.... and sure as heck won’t work with a team of mostly average Joe’s. You need to be able to be a good leader in order to install a culture of winning (which the Bills didn’t have before McD), and to be able to coach players UP to their potential. To me, the bigger issue is the respect factor. The players clearly don’t respect Gase... and they likely won’t play hard for him. Bellichick may not be ‘liked,’ but he sure is respected. And his players play for him and the other coaches. There is a culture. Appears Gase never built a positive culture, and it’s showing. The locker room should be a great place to find them. Grown men in there. No leaders.
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Despite that deceiving finish, Gase is a dud. I actually agree with eball(although firing him now would make little sense). I would’ve fired him back in January. They got beat pretty bad against the 0 for Bengals and demolished by the Ravens over that 8 game stretch while beating no one significant. And yes, the same argument can be made for the Bills(which I’ve repeatedly said. Their most impressive win was against the .500 Cowboys on Thanksgiving). Fans love to tout the Steelers game as an impressive win. It wasn’t. At all. Again, Duck Hodges shouldn’t be in the league let alone starting and McDermott did his best to give the Steelers every opportunity to come back and tie/win thAt game. Interesting... Bills/Jets - Split Jets lost to Patriots (x2), Browns, Eagles, Ravens Bills lost to Patriots (x2), Browns, Eagles, Ravens Jets beat Giants, Dolphins, Dallas, Washington, Steelers, AFC WEST OPPONENT Bills beat Giants, Dolphins, Dallas, Washington, Steelers, AFC WEST OPPONENT Buffalo was able to separate over beating Dolphins, Bengals, AFC SOUTH OPPONENT. Jets lost to Dolphins, Bengals, AFC SOUTH OPPONENT. Edited July 25, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: I am no fan of GASE...but the Jets... Finished the season with a 6-2 record. and were 0-4 with a sick/out Darnold. I can’t imagine many other fan bases turning on their own teams head coach who finished 6-2 in his first season. Especially if it were here in Buffalo. Only AFCE team with a winning record second half of the season..
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Only AFCE team with a winning record second half of the season.. sometimes it really is about when you play and how the schedule shakes out, right? If you keep the W/L results the same and simply give the Bills the Jets Opening 6 (Those first 6 because they both played common opponents) Bills go from starting the season at 5-1 to starting the season at 2-4. What does it all mean in the long run probably not much I still think the bills are a better football team With more talent and better coaching but I think it always goes back to the point of a player saying that their coach doesn’t have the right leader ship when in fact these teams are just so razor thin close about having the same results if not for a half a dozen plays or bounces go the other way. if the Titans kicker can kick does Coach McDermott suddenly not have a good leader ship? And how much of a good leader ship does it play in to the fact that the Titans kicker can’t kick. Stuff like that. Edited July 25, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar 1
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Did the Bills not secure aa playoff birth both in 2017 and 2019 by beating a teams 4th String QB? 2017 vs Dolphins, Week 17, David Fales 2019 vs Steelers, Week 15, Duck Hodges Yeah and the Jets secured 7-9
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Yeah and the Jets secured 7-9 I got it. They Were not a good team with a coach coach I don’t particularly care for. but they started off 1-7 and finished 6-2. not really seeing the proof for the need to fire a head coach based on that turn around.
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: I got it. They Were not a good team with a coach coach I don’t particularly care for. but they started off 1-7 and finished 6-2. not really seeing the proof for the need to fire a head coach based on that turn around. Coaches get fired all the time. If he's already on the hot seat and the motivation for keeping him is he managed to finish a 7-9 season going 6-2...good luck selling that.
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Coaches get fired all the time. If he's already on the hot seat and the motivation for keeping him is he managed to finish a 7-9 season going 6-2...good luck selling that. I know for a fact stuff like that is easily sellable. I have been a Bills fan for 30 plus years. Lol! I know and I have seen first hand just how little it takes to sell a Desperate fan base. Edited July 25, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: I know for a fact stuff like that is easily sellable. I have been a Bills fan for 30 plus years. Lol! I know and I have seen first hand just how little it takes to sell a Desperate fan base. Like I said, good luck when your best player isn't buying it.
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Like I said, good luck when your best player isn't buying it. You do have to question his motives for saying it coming off a second half season of going 6-2. Adams is either ignorant or calculated in his mind set.
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: You do have to question his motives for saying it coming off a second half season of going 6-2. Adams is either ignorant or calculated in his mind set. Or maybe finishing 6-2 on a 7-9 season isn't really that important. 1
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Or maybe finishing 6-2 on a 7-9 season isn't really that important. Having been a Bills Fan...stuff like that is out of this world important to sell hype and hope.
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Coaches get fired all the time. If he's already on the hot seat and the motivation for keeping him is he managed to finish a 7-9 season going 6-2...good luck selling that. It was his first year as Jets HC. If 1-7 put him on the hot suit, finishing 6-2 gets him fired? Interesting argument. If a safety is the team's "best player", there are problems outside of the HC. But he's certainly not the most valuable player on the team. Without him, they are still 7-9. My guess is that the reason he is still a Jet is because no other team has offered the value in trade given what he cost them and what they feel he's worth.
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It was his first year as Jets HC. If 1-7 put him on the hot suit, finishing 6-2 gets him fired? Interesting argument. If a safety is the team's "best player", there are problems outside of the HC. But he's certainly not the most valuable player on the team. Without him, they are still 7-9. My guess is that the reason he is still a Jet is because no other team has offered the value in trade given what he cost them and what they feel he's worth. They lose to the Giants w/out his sack strip TD so without him they are likely 6-10 at best. The scope of my argument is more seated in the totality of Gase's resume sans Manning (plus the recent play of his former offensive players) than in his relationship with Adams or his tenure with the Jets.
machine gun kelly Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 Well, bottom line is the Jets is an easy two wins as long as they have this shirt show. The Gase/Adams saga is actually comical. Adams has zero leverage no matter what he says. Ngokue tried the same crap and he’s still there. The player can whine all he wants, but as long as they have his rights for next couple of years, there is nothing he can do about it. He can throw everyone and their grandmother under the bus and they still can either have him play, or he not only loses game checks, but gets exorbitant fines. With the new CBA, the team couldn’t forego it if they wanted to do so. The other part is his stock keeps going down with every salacious comment. Sure some team may want him, but knowing they have to give up a crazy amount of picks for safety, even if the best in the league, and then pay him $16 mil./yr. as he is full of crap he will play on the existing tender. Every head coach is saying how long before I have to deal with his crap. If he was smart, he’d shut up, wait two years as it’s not bad $ on the fifth year option, and then gripe when they want to tag him. The virus we hope is over and the league is recuperating from their losses. Then teams will have $, and can give him top safety $. It’s not like he’ll stink after 5 years. His agent should be telling him to shut up. Anyway, this is good for us so who cares. The Jets are always going to be a perpetual mess until Douglas hires a good coach, takes the lumps the Pegulas did to get a solid staff and purge crappy contracts. Build from the ground up. I said in another thread, I honestly am concerned the Fins will do this and we’ll be in our next dogfight with them. Belicheat will retire in a couple of years. He’s proved everything to everyone, so after 70, he’ll file his papers, and Kraft will have to actually do something, vs. playing with young Asian trafficked women.
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: They lose to the Giants w/out his sack strip TD so without him they are likely 6-10 at best. The scope of my argument is more seated in the totality of Gase's resume sans Manning (plus the recent play of his former offensive players) than in his relationship with Adams or his tenure with the Jets. Strip sack was nice, no doubt. But after the, that Jets D quickly gave up 2 TDs and the Jets O managed a come from behind win in the 4th Q. The Jets hired him with no Mannings on their roster. So turning 1-7 into 6-2 as a grounds for firing makes no sense at all.
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Strip sack was nice, no doubt. But after the, that Jets D quickly gave up 2 TDs and the Jets O managed a come from behind win in the 4th Q. The Jets hired him with no Mannings on their roster. So turning 1-7 into 6-2 as a grounds for firing makes no sense at all. I don't think he's horrible (Gase). I don't think he's anything special either. So grinding out a 7-9 season doesn't move the needle for me either way. If I were a Jets fan I'd be more concerned about Vrabel and Arthur Smith unlocking Tannehill.
FluffHead Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Jets get a haul in this deal. I would not give up that much for a safety Edited July 25, 2020 by FluffHead
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