Charges against Ed Oliver dismissed

[eball]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

My point is it is a very distinct minority that are vocally racist, across all ethnicities

How prevalent are the non-vocal racists?

 

You really don’t get it, man. Most racists will swear to your face they aren’t racist, and they believe it. 

[K-9]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Sure that's a problem

 

But it is totally a minority of people that do that. Race relations are going crazy in this country, because people think everybody is racist

 

When it is literally a tiny tiny tiny majority. 

 

If you don't agree with somebody you get call a racist now

 

For having a different opinion

Tiny, tiny, tiny majority? How’s that possible?

[Buffalo716]

Just now, eball said:

How prevalent are the non-vocal racists?

 

You really don’t get it, man. Most racists will swear to your face they aren’t racist, and they believe it. 

I'm not sure, Actually the racists I have encountered are very open about it they don't hide it

 

And that's just my honest experience

Just now, K-9 said:

Tiny, tiny, tiny majority? How’s that possible?

Obviously minority

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm not sure, Actually the racists I have encountered are very open about it they don't hide it

 

And that's just my honest experience

Obviously minority

Thanks for the clarification.

[eball]

15 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

According to some reports someone phoned in that EO was switching lanes erratically.  A deputy spotted the vehicle and was trailing doing 80 in a 45 and observed him passing in a no passing zone. 

If this were true, Ed would have been charged (at a minimum) with speeding, and probably reckless driving. 
 

Which means it’s not true. 

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, eball said:

Is it standard protocol for cops to pull over drivers for suspected speeding based upon a 911 call when the officers themselves witness no probable cause?

 

Not for suspected speeding, no.  It was for reported erratic driving.  

 

Cops can have cause to respond without initially witnessing a reported act.  That's the basis of 9-1-1, isn't it?  I think you knew that.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

One of the difficulties in addressing systemic racism is that well-intentioned folk don't understand that referring to a vocal minority is simply a red herring.

I'm not trying to mislead or distract anybody. 

 

There are more good people white black Asian Indian then there are bad. The vocal minority should not get more press than the majority

 

The majority needs to stand together

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, eball said:

If this were true, Ed would have been charged (at a minimum) with speeding, and probably reckless driving. 
 

Which means it’s not true. 

 

Are you saying there was no 9-1-1 call?

[eball]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Are you saying there was no 9-1-1 call?

I’m saying clearly no deputy witnessed this or “trailed” Ed at those speeds. If he did, then he’s a pretty ***** cop since there were no speeding or reckless driving charges.

[YoloinOhio]

22 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Iirc, in the past players have been punished even though legal charges were dropped, again I may be wrong/ confused on this. 

Yes they have but I’m not sure what he would be disciplined for, in this case

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Thanks for the clarification.

This is such a touchy subject that civil conversation is the only way to move forward

 

Ad hominem attacks, name-calling and such only throws us further back and it seems like only the people who scream the loudest get heard

 

Unfortunately most of the good people in this country are not vocal, maybe it's time for that to change

 

 

[Don Otreply]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Yes they have but I’m not sure what he would be disciplined for, in this case

I hear ya, but ...

[YoloinOhio]

He made it from Houston to OP without incident. 
 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm not trying to mislead or distract anybody. 

 

There are more good people white black Asian Indian then there are bad. The vocal minority should not get more press than the majority

 

The majority needs to stand together

 

I love your optimism, but semi-concerned about being in denial.

 

I agree that "good" majority needs to stand together and squelch that bad minority of racists. I think that's what we're seeing across the country the last few months.

 

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Unfortunately most of the good people in this country are not vocal, maybe it's time for that to change

 

 

Again, I think we're seeing that happen.

[eball]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm not trying to mislead or distract anybody. 

 

There are more good people white black Asian Indian then there are bad. The vocal minority should not get more press than the majority

 

The majority needs to stand together

You’re not trying to mislead or distract, you’re doing what the “majority” have done for too long — you want everyone to look the other way and say “mistakes happen — most people are good.”

 

That’s no longer good enough. 

[Bss]

50 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Usually what would be a 4 game suspension?  

Players arrested for a DUI

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, eball said:

I’m saying clearly no deputy witnessed this or “trailed” Ed at those speeds. If he did, then he’s a pretty ***** cop since there were no speeding or reckless driving charges.

 

They can't charge someone for speeding unless they clock him or document speeding or reckless driving.  They can't charge him because someone said he was speeding.  It was the cause for pulling him over.  If I call 9-1-1 on you for speeding and reckless driving and cops subsequently find you at a red light--they can't charge you for those things. It would be the premise for the stop though.  Pretty simple.

 

 You understand this so what is your point?

5 minutes ago, eball said:

I’m saying clearly no deputy witnessed this or “trailed” Ed at those speeds. If he did, then he’s a pretty ***** cop since there were no speeding or reckless driving charges.

 

No one is claiming that they did.

Edited July 22, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[Buffalo716]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I love your optimism, but semi-concerned about being in denial.

 

I agree that "good" majority needs to stand together and squelch that bad minority of racists. I think that's what we're seeing across the country the last few months.

 

 

Again, I think we're seeing that happen.

I was truly raised to never see color. I've had friends of every single ethnicity and I've only judged on the content of character

 

I've seen my father give out food to poor and homeless, and give money to the poor and homeless

 

Maybe it is a disservice, because I truly believe everybody is good like that, even though I know there are scumbags

2 minutes ago, eball said:

You’re not trying to mislead or distract, you’re doing what the “majority” have done for too long — you want everyone to look the other way and say “mistakes happen — most people are good.”

 

That’s no longer good enough. 

I don't think I said that eball

 

Read the post right under that, I said maybe it's time for the non vocal majority to become more vocal

[eball]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

They can't charge someone for speeding unless they clock him or document speeding or reckless driving.  They can't charge him because someone said he was speeding.  It was the cause for pulling him over.  If I call 9-1-1 on you for speeding and reckless driving and cops subsequently find you at a red light--they can't charge you for those things.

 

 You understand this so what is your point?

Stop being an ass; you know exactly what my point is. The post I quoted said the deputy WITNESSED erratic lane changes and trailed Ed at excessive speed, both of which are absolutely sufficient to bring charges. 

[oldmanfan]

Good for you Ed.  Now grow up and either stop drinking while driving or hire yourself a driver.