whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 Seems problematic for many reasons, not the least of which being the description of police brutality.... Is this going to be vetted at all to cut out ambiguous cases that the media and others push as police brutality, but aren’t? 2 1
whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 After looking at the article closer I see that the nfl is making a list with players and right away we’re stuck in the issue of what is police brutality. Breaonna Taylor was shot because she was in a house from which officers were taking fire. Michael brown, which is brutality on narrative alone, and not substance and evidence.
Saxum Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is it just me, or is that kind of a bull#### way of wording it? "victims of violence or police officers who lost their lives in the line of duty" - aren't those officers victims of violence also? Thinking about it, they could have been injured in an explosion or fire or while saving someone's life so maybe that's what they're trying to account for I am sure a laywer worded it and I am surprised it is not in fine print with cavets and such.
fansince88 Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 4 hours ago, MJS said: /Doesn't it say you can wear a decal for fallen officers too? just the title. I believe that is a typo.
Saxum Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 Oh and nothing for the people hurt and businesses destroyed by rioters. Do we need SLM? "Shopkeepers Lives Matter".
fansince88 Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 47 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This article states it in the text, though it's kind of in passing https://sportsnaut.com/2020/07/report-nfl-players-to-wear-helmet-decals-honoring-victims-of-police-brutality/ While the move hasn’t been finalized, the league is working with the NFL Players Association on an agreed list of names for players to use before the regular season begins. Players will provide the list of names with approval from the league office. Players will not be required to wear decals, per NFL Network’s Steve Wyche. However, they will receive the choice of paying their respects to victims of violence or police officers who lost their lives in the line of duty. It looks as though they get to pick only one name though. Is it just me, or is that kind of a bull#### way of wording it? "victims of violence or police officers who lost their lives in the line of duty" - aren't those officers victims of violence also? Thinking about it, they could have been injured in an explosion or fire or while saving someone's life so maybe that's what they're trying to account for yet they wouldnt let players honor 9/11 victims. I realize this is a 'NOW' thing but they need to be careful with the inconsistencies. That said, I dont really have an issue with it in theory. like that they have an option to do it or not.
LabattBlue Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Beast said: Or the five Dallas officers that were murdered that the NFL wouldn't allow the Cowboys to wear a decal in honor of. This! Just keep bending over, and see where this league is going down the road. ? 1
Beast Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, MJS said: That's a way to get head hunted on the field. Pretty much. So I think we can agree that intimidation will play a huge part of this campaign.
whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Oh and nothing for the people hurt and businesses destroyed by rioters. Do we need SLM? "Shopkeepers Lives Matter". What about that retired officer who was shot trying to stop looters and rioters?
Saxum Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: What about that retired officer who was shot trying to stop looters and rioters? Technically he is a civilian and would not qualify I guess. That is why they have laywers other than they have written laws so they are necessary. Nobody will want stickers with LLM.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 3 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: Decals? Pah! If they really cared they'd get it tattooed on themselves Some of them probably have. Whole lotta ink on those guys 40 minutes ago, fansince88 said: just the title. I believe that is a typo. See upthread, I found another article which said stickers could honor fallen officers 1
The Wiz Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) Do these decals need to be officially sponsored by Nike or whoever it is that make them wear certain things for games? Edited July 22, 2020 by The Wiz
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Breaonna Taylor was shot because she was in a house from which officers were taking fire. C'mon drought, there's a lot of stuff back and forth and I don't want to derail this, but describing what's known about those events as "in a house from which officers were taking fire" is pretty far "out there" https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/12/breonna-taylor-louisville-emt-not-main-target-drug-investigation/3115928001/
Beast Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: C'mon drought, there's a lot of stuff back and forth and I don't want to derail this, but describing what's known about those events as "in a house from which officers were taking fire" is pretty far "out there" https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/12/breonna-taylor-louisville-emt-not-main-target-drug-investigation/3115928001/ Actually, no it’s not but I know better than to argue with you so this is all I will say about it. Edited July 22, 2020 by Beast
aristocrat Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 Blm passes to blue lives matter who gets a block from free Hong Kong who stiff arms pro life and is tackled by pro choice! Is this where we’re going? Do we need this stuff to enter into every part of our lives?
Saxum Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 48 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Blm passes to blue lives matter who gets a block from free Hong Kong who stiff arms pro life and is tackled by pro choice! Is this where we’re going? Do we need this stuff to enter into every part of our lives? Depends on how much each cause will pay in advertising rights. It is a business not a free board. And NFL usually does not let competing brands advertise so usually highest bidder wins.
whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: C'mon drought, there's a lot of stuff back and forth and I don't want to derail this, but describing what's known about those events as "in a house from which officers were taking fire" is pretty far "out there" https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/12/breonna-taylor-louisville-emt-not-main-target-drug-investigation/3115928001/ Let me clarify, as I’m not attempting to burry the lead: I think the circumstances that lead to the officers entering the house in the middle of the night are problematic- I also think no-knock warrants are problematic. Whether or not they identified themselves, I can understand the boyfriend shooting at them (assuming he genuinely didn’t know they were cops). If someone kicked in my door in the middle of the night you can bet I would. That being said, it’s a hard sale for me to believe that officers returning fire are committing an act of police brutality. It’s definitely hard to argue that it was a racially motivated situation. The events that led to the interaction were (as far as I have seen) legal, meaning you have officers doing their duty and being shot at. Obviously that results in returning fire. I don’t think there’s a solid argument that Taylor is killed If the boyfriend doesn’t shoot first. As an aside, I question why Taylor is on the list but not someone like Duncan Lemp? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/duncan-socrates-lemp-maryland-shot-police-officer Do the NFL only care about black people killed by police? Not to get into whataboutism, just pointing to some of the issues with the whole idea.
FloridaSnow Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 I don’t know why they put qualifiers on this at all. Why not let people just put a decal for the cause/issue of their choice and call it a day? 1
whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 58 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Blm passes to blue lives matter who gets a block from free Hong Kong who stiff arms pro life and is tackled by pro choice! Is this where we’re going? Do we need this stuff to enter into every part of our lives? Based on the NBA precedent it’s more likely to be “support China” as opposed to free Hong Kong. 4
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 3 hours ago, HamSandwhich said: Enough people will start to do that if this continues and it will affect the bottom line. The virtue signaling will be over and the NFL will return to it's bread and butter as it should. Politics should not be mixed with sports. As many have said, it's a way to get away from the real world, nothing that you and your ilk say about "changing the channel" or any other write off, will change that. Keep doing this NFL, it will not end well. Umm, you’re wrong. If you want to get away from the real world go to Disneyland. The NFL will be just fine. 1
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