GoBills808 Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Beast said: I didn't say 100% but I will still take that bet. I'd lay a lot of cash on it. What kind of odds we talking
NoSaint Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Dragoon said: Is it shocking some of them feel.....entitled? to a safe workplace? No, not shocking. Many of us do. 1 1
Augie Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: to a safe workplace? No, not shocking. Many of us do. Sadly, I don’t see any way possible that can be provided. Basketball in a bubble, not really, but maybe. Baseball is also very different. I’m watching golf now, and even that “distancing” sport has had issues. Football? I just don’t know what can be done. You can minimize unnecessary risk, but it is inherently risky. You can’t really change that, IMO.
SCBills Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, NoSaint said: to a safe workplace? No, not shocking. Many of us do. I mean.. players vocally shot down the bubble, and some also shot down amended face masks. What exactly are they looking for? You can’t possibly think the NFL is just business as usual, there’s going to be testing and guidelines as we saw floated a few days ago, but if it’s truly about “safety”, how come I’ve already seen them shoot down two common sense safety protocols? ??♂️ 1
Kirby Jackson Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Augie said: Sadly, I don’t see any way possible that can be provided. Basketball in a bubble, not really, but maybe. Baseball is also very different. I’m watching golf now, and even that “distancing” sport has had issues. Football? I just don’t know what can be done. You can minimize unnecessary risk, but it is inherently risky. You can’t really change that, IMO. You can make it LESS risky though. That’s what they are asking for. There will always be risk. There will be guys that test positive. At the same time it’s reasonable to have a plan in place for how often they’ll be tested, what happens following a positive test, how to distance during meetings, how the facilities will be sanitized, etc... No one is asking for perfect, just better. Transparency and a plan is a pretty low bar to meet and it isn’t being met. Edited July 19, 2020 by Kirby Jackson
njbuff Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) So much for my theory that a virus dies in the heat. Most of the country is in an oppressive heat wave right now. This MFing virus does NOT want to go away. It is losing potency but is still very much alive. Edited July 19, 2020 by njbuff 2
The Wiz Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I think they made the union a proposal last week that anyone wanting to opt out could by 8/1 and get a check for 150k How will they ever survive off of so little??? Sarcasm off
LeGOATski Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 The NFL, as a whole (players/personnel), can't get out of its own way. They'll keep tripping over themselves until they finally call off the season. Meanwhile, soccer all over the world has come back without issue... 9 minutes ago, njbuff said: So much for my theory that a virus dies in the heat. Most of the country is in an oppressive heat wave right now. This MFing virus does NOT want to go away. It is losing potency but is still very much alive. Of course it is. Like the flu, it's not going to die. This has been common knowledge for a while now. We need to adjust to it.
snafu Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said: You’d be surprised how many fans side with the ownership over literally any issue. I don’t get it either. Look at it from the owners’ point of view. Fans are clamoring for a season, players want to play, owners want their profits. No matter what safety measures the league puts in place, it is highly likely that people will get sick. Then it’s back to fans calling them greedy and players calling them reckless. I’m not discounting the Owners’ desire to make their cash. They want a season for that reason. But they’re in a tough spot. Honestly, if there’s no good plan in place — a plan that includes the players, whatever that may be — then there shouldn’t be any games.
Augie Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You can make it LESS risky though. That’s what they are asking for. There will always be risk. There will be guys that rest positive. At the same time it’s reasonable to have a plan in place for how often they’ll be tested, what happens following a positive test, how to distance during meetings, how the facilities will be sanitized, etc... No one is asking for perfect, just better. Transparency and a plan is a pretty low bar to meet and it isn’t being met. I totally agree. My point is it’s probably the most difficult sport to pull this off. They can have or create the best possible plan with all kinds of contingencies (ready to change on the fly as needed), but I wonder what the tolerance will be once the cases start piling up among players, coaches and staffs.
LeGOATski Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, Augie said: Sadly, I don’t see any way possible that can be provided. Basketball in a bubble, not really, but maybe. Baseball is also very different. I’m watching golf now, and even that “distancing” sport has had issues. Football? I just don’t know what can be done. You can minimize unnecessary risk, but it is inherently risky. You can’t really change that, IMO. Soccer has been fine. Full contact sport. MLS is doing the bubble in Florida.
Saxum Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, SCBills said: I mean.. players vocally shot down the bubble, and some also shot down amended face masks. What exactly are they looking for? You can’t possibly think the NFL is just business as usual, there’s going to be testing and guidelines as we saw floated a few days ago, but if it’s truly about “safety”, how come I’ve already seen them shoot down two common sense safety protocols? ??♂️ Previously some players shot down new helmets and thigh pads. Some will just keep objecting to everything; there are players who object to fines on cheap shots which hurt other players. The NFLPA is better at this type of campaign but I cannot see purpose. 1
Mr. WEO Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You can make it LESS risky though. That’s what they are asking for. There will always be risk. There will be guys that rest positive. At the same time it’s reasonable to have a plan in place for how often they’ll be tested, what happens following a positive test, how to distance during meetings, how the facilities will be sanitized, etc... No one is asking for perfect, just better. Transparency and a plan is a pretty low bar to meet and it isn’t being met. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/16/players-who-test-positive-for-covid-19-will-be-paid/ https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nfl-creating-covid-19-202407712.html Distancing and sanitization protocols exist for any industry--no mysteries there. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/07/06/nfl-training-camps-coronavirus-covid-19-protocol/5385276002/ Details to be worked out remain--primarily because the testing apparatus in this country, because of the increase in testing, is still inadequate for the volume. These players are being (I'm being kind here) disingenuous here. 1
FLFan Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 The players are absolutely right to be pushing back. The NFL needs to prioritize the safety of the players and the team and league employees who will be required to stage the games. They are not doing that right now. The players should not be compelled to play until they feel comfortable with their safety, knowing that some risk is inevitable. At this point, the NFL plan is entirely too open ended.
Augie Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Soccer has been fine. Full contact sport. MLS is doing the bubble in Florida. I hope I’m wrong, believe me! (And it wouldn’t be the first time, believe that too!) MLS has smaller rosters and coaching staffs, substantially less contact.....and the Bills look positioned for a very nice season....so something has to go wrong!
Mr. WEO Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, FLFan said: The players are absolutely right to be pushing back. The NFL needs to prioritize the safety of the players and the team and league employees who will be required to stage the games. They are not doing that right now. The players should not be compelled to play until they feel comfortable with their safety, knowing that some risk is inevitable. At this point, the NFL plan is entirely too open ended. link? Edited July 19, 2020 by Mr. WEO
SCBills Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Augie said: I hope I’m wrong, believe me! (And it wouldn’t be the first time, believe that too!) MLS has smaller rosters and coaching staffs, substantially less contact.....and the Bills look positioned for a very nice season....so something has to go wrong! Do they though?? For what we’re talking about, which is COVID spread. Watch a corner kick for any soccer game and the mass of humanity all clustered together pushing, tugging, sweating, breathing on each other. Just because the hits aren’t as vicious doesn’t mean they aren’t spending half the game in close contact with zero shield between them and another player.
machine gun kelly Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, FLFan said: The players are absolutely right to be pushing back. The NFL needs to prioritize the safety of the players and the team and league employees who will be required to stage the games. They are not doing that right now. The players should not be compelled to play until they feel comfortable with their safety, knowing that some risk is inevitable. At this point, the NFL plan is entirely too open ended. No argument at all, as long as they don’t get paid like the rest of America. I don’t disagree with you. Don’t work, don’t get paid. Work and get paid. We’re not a socialist state. 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, FLFan said: The players are absolutely right to be pushing back. The NFL needs to prioritize the safety of the players and the team and league employees who will be required to stage the games. They are not doing that right now. The players should not be compelled to play until they feel comfortable with their safety, knowing that some risk is inevitable. At this point, the NFL plan is entirely too open ended. If the players were serious about their safety they would push for the bubble option. There is no way, outside of the bubble option, that the season can happen without significant COVID risk.
Augie Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Do they though?? For what we’re talking about, which is COVID spread. Watch a corner kick for any soccer game and the mass of humanity all clustered together pushing, tugging, sweating, breathing on each other. Just because the hits aren’t as vicious doesn’t mean they aren’t spending half the game in close contact with zero shield between them and another player. Yes. How many corner kicks in a game. EVERY play in football is worse than a corner kick.
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