steven50 Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 I think at this point all the games will be without fan attendance anyway so they should just play all games this season in two or three states that have two or more stadiums Like California, New York(NJ), Florida and Texas or play all games in one state using college stadiums. Bubble the guys like the NBA is doing and play on Saturday and Sunday instead of just Sunday if you cant make the numbers work. Contact with the locals can be minimized by testing anyone coming in or out. All travel by team plane only and facilities off limits to everyone except NFL tested people.
Doc Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 8 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Again, you said nobody was "bubbling." And since nearly nobody (save for perhaps a few people with extreme medical issues) literally lives within a "bubble," I assume that you applied a figurative, not literal, definition of the term. The NBA form of "bubbling" means social isolation and contact only with a defined group of like isolators. So how do you know that no NFL player is doing that? You don't. You made it up. You should have ended right here, counselor. 8 hours ago, SectionC3 said: And you've also backed off the "NFL players are responsible for policing each other, even from across a continent" absurdity. Which is good, since even the employer here recognized the asininity of that point. Backed off of something I never said? Oh, OK.
SectionC3 Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: You should have ended right here, counselor. Backed off of something I never said? Oh, OK. And still nothing to support your bald assertion that not a single NFL player has lived in a virtual bubble since the pandemic began. 20 hours ago, North Buffalo said: Sorry but most of what you posted are not symptoms.... fever maybe stomach flu nope. PS I had it, it sucked, high fever, head aches, heart palpitations, abdominal pain, weakness... tested pos for antibodies... and yes I work in a hospital in southern NY where we saw up to 11 people die a day... still see people dying of it though more like 2-3 a week. It causes heart attacks, PEs, and aneurysms. Treatments have gotten better and there is some trial stuff out there that is very promising. That being said... this is not a joke... it causes longterm lung scaring in younger asymptomatic people... one more reason athletes should demand universal daily testing. Edited July 21, 2020 by SectionC3 1
Doc Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, SectionC3 said: And still nothing to support your bald assertion that not a single NFL player has lived in a virtual bubble since the pandemic began. So it's a "virtual bubble" now, is it? What's next? A "kinda, sorta bubble"? Edited July 21, 2020 by Doc
SectionC3 Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Doc said: So it's a "virtual bubble" now, is it? What's next? A "kinda, sorta bubble"? Would you have preferred a literal bubble? Seems like it would have been a good talking point. Doc says we shouldn’t do daily testing because no NFL player literally lives in a bubble! Makes perfect sense. Edited July 21, 2020 by SectionC3
Doc Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Would you have preferred a literal bubble? Seems like it would have been a good talking point. Doc says we shouldn’t do daily testing because no NFL player literally lives in a bubble! Makes perfect sense. Thank you.
Saxum Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 This has already been addressed. NFLPA will not allow rule changes to allow each player to play inside a plastic bubble.
SectionC3 Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 15 hours ago, Doc said: Thank you. You’re welcome. Your premise, ie, since no NFL a player literally lives in a bubble (an absurdity, to be sure, since bubbling is accomplished virtually, and in any event still unsupported by those pesky things called fact), NFL players do not need or deserved daily COVID testing, remains horribly flawed. Even the owners, who pay for this, acknowledge as much. And on what planet does a doctor think it’s a good idea to allow guys from different cities who cannot live isolation during the season (in which they must travel and overnight to games) to breathe, sweat, share a ball, and touch each other without daily testing? It’s just nuts. It’s a stupid business practice, it’s a stupid medical practice, and it’s a stupid labor practice. 1
WEATHER DOT COM Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: You’re welcome. Your premise, ie, since no NFL a player literally lives in a bubble (an absurdity, to be sure, since bubbling is accomplished virtually, and in any event still unsupported by those pesky things called fact), NFL players do not need or deserved daily COVID testing, remains horribly flawed. Even the owners, who pay for this, acknowledge as much. And on what planet does a doctor think it’s a good idea to allow guys from different cities who cannot live isolation during the season (in which they must travel and overnight to games) to breathe, sweat, share a ball, and touch each other without daily testing? It’s just nuts. It’s a stupid business practice, it’s a stupid medical practice, and it’s a stupid labor practice. Hydroxycholorquine infused water, dude 1
Doc Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 11 hours ago, SectionC3 said: You’re welcome. Your premise, ie, since no NFL a player literally lives in a bubble (an absurdity, to be sure, since bubbling is accomplished virtually, and in any event still unsupported by those pesky things called fact), NFL players do not need or deserved daily COVID testing, remains horribly flawed. Even the owners, who pay for this, acknowledge as much. And on what planet does a doctor think it’s a good idea to allow guys from different cities who cannot live isolation during the season (in which they must travel and overnight to games) to breathe, sweat, share a ball, and touch each other without daily testing? It’s just nuts. It’s a stupid business practice, it’s a stupid medical practice, and it’s a stupid labor practice. Fact? You just admitted that no player lived/lives in a bubble. So you shifted to the "virtual bubble," when even still no player "virtually bubbled" by getting tested every other day, surrounded by people in the bubble who do the same, and with stringent rules put in place by the league. They were all winging it. And just 59 got sick. Again if they would all live by the rules and police others on their team, daily testing isn't needed. And they've agreed to get it get it only for the first 2 weeks. 11 hours ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Hydroxycholorquine infused water, dude Drink fish tank cleaner instead.
SectionC3 Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Doc said: Fact? You just admitted that no player lived/lives in a bubble. So you shifted to the "virtual bubble," when even still no player "virtually bubbled" by getting tested every other day, surrounded by people in the bubble who do the same, and with stringent rules put in place by the league. They were all winging it. And just 59 got sick. Again if they would all live by the rules and police others on their team, daily testing isn't needed. And they've agreed to get it get it only for the first 2 weeks. Drink fish tank cleaner instead. By your definition nobody, outside of a handful of highly immuno-suppressed people in a country of approximately 330 million, lives in a bubble. And to apply the "literal" definition of a bubble, as you apparently prefer, is absurd. Applying that logic, and by your definition, nobody would merit testing anywhere because they all (save for those handful of highly immuno-suppressed) choose not to live in a literal bubble. And, once again, you're still dead wrong on testing. The points that you either can't grasp or stubbornly refuse to grasp are that players are not responsible for policing fellow employees and, even if such self-policing was required in the absence of employer protection, it's not possible for one team to "self-police" another, distant team with which it will have no interaction save for perhaps engaging in a contact sport on one or two days this fall. The ideas that the Bills should self-police the 49ers before sharing sweat, blood, air, physical contact, and equipment (assuming the ball counts as equipment), and that such self-policing excuses ownership and management from taking the most stringent safety measures possible (namely, and obviously, daily COVID testing), are patently absurd. Finally, the "two-week" agreement is a couple of things. It's a stark illustration of the fact that you're wrong here. And it's also essentially a pause in the negotiations. At the conclusion of that two-week period the testing question will be revisited. Frankly I think the infection threshold that labor and management are talking about (5%) with respect to the continuation of testing is way too high considering that we don't know whether long-term effects of non-fatal COVID infection could end or inhibit a career (eg, through lung scarring or simply through lost opportunity in the 2020 season - check out the piece on Emily Regan in last Sunday's Buffalo News for insight on that issue). We shall see if that figure holds and what the PA does on daily testing moving forward. We also shall see if testing abates a bit during camp and ramps up again during the season when travel picks up. Edited July 23, 2020 by SectionC3
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 If they even have a season I will be amazed. If they even get 3 games in I will be floored. 1
Doc Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, SectionC3 said: By your definition nobody, outside of a handful of highly immuno-suppressed people in a country of approximately 330 million, lives in a bubble. And to apply the "literal" definition of a bubble, as you apparently prefer, is absurd. Applying that logic, and by your definition, nobody would merit testing anywhere because they all (save for those handful of highly immuno-suppressed) choose not to live in a literal bubble. And, once again, you're still dead wrong on testing. The points that you either can't grasp or stubbornly refuse to grasp are that players are not responsible for policing fellow employees and, even if such self-policing was required in the absence of employer protection, it's not possible for one team to "self-police" another, distant team with which it will have no interaction save for perhaps engaging in a contact sport on one or two days this fall. The ideas that the Bills should self-police the 49ers before sharing sweat, blood, air, physical contact, and equipment (assuming the ball counts as equipment), and that such self-policing excuses ownership and management from taking the most stringent safety measures possible (namely, and obviously, daily COVID testing), are patently absurd. Finally, the "two-week" agreement is a couple of things. It's a stark illustration of the fact that you're wrong here. And it's also essentially a pause in the negotiations. At the conclusion of that two-week period the testing question will be revisited. Frankly I think the infection threshold that labor and management are talking about (5%) with respect to the continuation of testing is way too high considering that we don't know whether long-term effects of non-fatal COVID infection could end or inhibit a career (eg, through lung scarring or simply through lost opportunity in the 2020 season - check out the piece on Emily Regan in last Sunday's Buffalo News for insight on that issue). We shall see if that figure holds and what the PA does on daily testing moving forward. We also shall see if testing abates a bit during camp and ramps up again during the season when travel picks up. What's your problem now? I went with your weak definition of a "(virtual) bubble" and still there is no player who was "bubbling" the way the NFL had proposed, prior to the 2-week daily testing compromise. Wrong. The players are also responsible for policing themselves. Because one rogue player can ruin it for them all and fellow players have a far better chance of witnessing it than an employer. You realize it's not just the owners that will get screwed by a COVID outbreak, right? And why just stop at daily testing? Why not twice daily? Three times? Resources aren't infinite. 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: If they even have a season I will be amazed. If they even get 3 games in I will be floored. Sounds like a bet.
Mike in Horseheads Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 I just saw the "Bubble Boy" episode on Seinfeld last week, it wasn't a good out come for Bubble boy
Doc Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I just saw the "Bubble Boy" episode on Seinfeld last week, it wasn't a good out come for Bubble boy Should have been in a virtual bubble.
cd1 Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: WOW - This impasse sounds serious! ^^^
Mr Info Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 43 minutes ago, Figster said: https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/dogs-can-smell-covid-19-in-human-sweat/ Dogs are amazing animals and they get the job done. Just ask Shep on live PD. The idea is to have one or two canines from the Covid 19 scent patrol at the gates of every football game checking arm pits. also being evaluated at airports so this may be a possibility. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnn.com/travel/amp/airport-dogs-trial-coronavirus-wellness/index.html 1
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