CSBill Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I can't believe people actually thought he has a catching/hands problem It was clearly a concentration thing This
Protocal69 Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Gugny said: This is all fine and dandy. I love Knox and think he can/will be great. My question is this: Since every Bills fan saw the problem, I think it's safe to say that McDermott and Daboll realized what the problem was. So .... why the ***** did they keep throwing it to him with Sweeney and, to an extent, Kroft and Smith? At some point, one would think that one of them would say, "this ain't working. Let's just throw the tough sideline passes to him and leave the over the middle stuff to Sweeney." Anyway, I do believe Knox will fix this and be a force for years to come. Because the guy has the upside of Kittles and Kelce. It's funny because Kelce is 7 years in and he still drops easy passes for the same reason Knox drops his which is they have the ability to playmakers and not just get 6-7 yards with no after the catch. If Knox and Allen keep progressing Knox will be a star in this league. 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: You can’t believe he had a catching problem?? Why? Did the Tooth Fairy tell you he didn’t? Anyway, his explanation wasn’t necessary. His issues were clear to everyone who saw him play. Better to be smacked down at the point of the catch than change focus at the last second and drop it. He could be the biggest fan favorite since Kyle if he gets this under control. Otherwise, he’ll quickly fall into oblivion. Yes, I did tell him that...problem?!?!?
TigerJ Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 Yes. Make sure you have control of the ball BEFORE you run over people.
Saxum Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Gugny said: Belichick has 7 rings. No he doesn't - he gave one to his buddy in Moscow who used to head of spying agency. I am assume it was pay back on spying help but he cannot admit it.
Doc Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Fair enough. However, given the many positives we’ve already seen, not doing extremely better catching the ball and being demoted to 2nd Team, will inevitably spell the end for a once so promising career. Whatever we may offer him for his second contract will likely be peanuts compared to other offers -given the Wow Plays he’s shown he’s capable of. Color me concerned. If he can't start concentrating and stop dropping passes, he's not worth being more than #2. It's up to him to fix it. 2
Buffalo Boy Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Gugny said: I was just thinking about Beane creating a culture of accountability. When he screwed the pooch by going into a season with Peterman starting and rookie Allen as the backup, he came out and admitted he effed up and he made better decisions moving forward. Great to see that from players. It's missing from two people ... McDermott and Daboll. They have yet to admit/own when they eff up. But this is a Knox thread, so I'm going to get back on topic. I think Knox will fix this issue and be a force for years to come. They did cut Benjamin? That counts for something. 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Huh? He caught 39 passes and had 0 tds in 3 years in a pass happy offense. Very good athlete, extremely raw TE. His hands are absolutely a concern. So when I played receiver, I’d much rather have a contested catch than the wide open easy one. As others have said, you just concentrate better. Point taken. Still, he needs to catch almost everything. Especially the drive extending catches in big games when it’s crunch time, regardless of the skill required. 1
Utah John Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 The expression for this I like best is that you have to "look the ball into your hands" which I believe I first heard said by Bud Wilkinson. This isn't very good grammar but it really makes the point that you have to have the positive, affirmative intention of watching the ball's flight all the way into your hands, and looking at your hands too to make sure they're set properly to make the catch, rather than the more passive idea of seeing it coming and catching it. Part of the difficulty with not doing so is that your hands no longer are set properly -- you are likely to move them as you visualize what your body is going to do next, to make someone miss or to absorb a hit. Race car drivers say the car goes where your eyes go. If you keep your eyes on the track you'll stay on the track, but if you're worried about the wall and look at it, you're more likely to hit the wall. I have learned in my own normal driving that it works on the highway, too. If your intention is to look the ball into your hands, and concentrate on that rather than the other players on the field, you will be much more accurate in placing your hands and securing the catch.
MJS Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Gugny said: McDermott should be a better coach - specifically with gameday coaching and gameday roster management. So yes ... he absolutely emulate Belichick. So we agree. McDermott should never own up to his mistakes. Good talk.
Billy Claude Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 56 minutes ago, MJS said: So we agree. McDermott should never own up to his mistakes. Good talk. I would think that McDermott`s designation of a game management coach in March (Marc Lubick) is essentially an admission that he wasn`t very good at it.
Mr. WEO Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 Maybe Knox should take up speed chess. Or have that chess guy toss the chess pieces at him very fast 1
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Fair enough. However, given the many positives we’ve already seen, not doing extremely better catching the ball and being demoted to 2nd Team, will inevitably spell the end for a once so promising career. Whatever we may offer him for his second contract will likely be peanuts compared to other offers -given the Wow Plays he’s shown he’s capable of. Color me concerned. Agree he likely would not even sign a 2nd contract with the Bills if for no other reason than the team would value him as a backup and usually the player over values himself and finds some other team willing to take a chance on him with a larger contract than he is worth and goes elsewhere.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Gugny said: This is all fine and dandy. I love Knox and think he can/will be great. My question is this: Since every Bills fan saw the problem, I think it's safe to say that McDermott and Daboll realized what the problem was. So .... why the ***** did they keep throwing it to him with Sweeney and, to an extent, Kroft and Smith? At some point, one would think that one of them would say, "this ain't working. Let's just throw the tough sideline passes to him and leave the over the middle stuff to Sweeney." Anyway, I do believe Knox will fix this and be a force for years to come. he was probably making plays in practice and then the game speed messed him up. Normal for rooks Edited July 20, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1
Doc Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: People who never really played the game, don't understand how the game slows down for people When your green, it feels like it's getting played at 10,000 miles per hour and people are everywhere and you hesitate But as someone who's had the game slowed down for him. Once that change happens, you can go from good to great It is not an understatement when I say that people are moving in slow motion and you could literally play instead of think I don't have it (I wish I did), but I've always believed that's what they call "vision." I remember a story about Ted Williams being able to read the label off a 78 RPM record playing, which might be a tall tale, but illustrative of it. It seems to follow that as the game slows down for him, he won't need to take his focus off the ball to set himself up because he will be able to process things faster. 1
Buffalo716 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Doc said: I don't have it (I wish I did), but I've always believed that's what they call "vision." I remember a story about Ted Williams being able to read the label off a 78 RPM record playing, which might be a tall tale, but illustrative of it. It seems to follow that as the game slows down for him, he won't need to take his focus off the ball to set himself up because he will be able to process things faster. To me vision and the game slowing down are not mutual The game can slow down for all positions. lineman, RB, QB, CBs etc Vision is more a RBs ability to find holes , like the ability to cut it back and find a lane You will rarely if ever hear anyone talk about a olineman or dlinemans vision 1
Dkollidas Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 I think he’ll improve this year. I’m hoping that by the time Brown and Beasleys time here is up, that he’ll be ready to be a #2 target in a legitimate offense. I’ll be surprised if he could become a guy that’s on the level of an Ertz, but I think it’s definitely possible.
reddogblitz Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 13 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: I just rewatched Ravens game last year. Josh started with overthrowing everybody but in 2nd half he was mostly spot on, and there were drops left and right. Knox, Beasley and Singletary had all major drops, and Knox had really brutal one. I don't know what was the issue but I really hope he gets better next year. That would be huge for Josh and whole offense. I watched that game the other day. It was either Josh throws a bad pass or he throws a good pass and it would get dropped. Brown also dropped at least one. I hope Beasley has a similar plan to Knox'. In the Ravens game he had one of his three plays last year where the football ?bounced off his hands into the arms of an awaiting DB. One in Jets game. One in Ravens game. One in the playoff game. I'm hoping Diggs' good hands rubs off on some of these guys.
billsintaiwan Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) Edited July 20, 2020 by billsintaiwan
GreggTX Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 If his concentration and route running both improve, you're looking at a guy that has deep speed with the ability to run over people. He's my early candidate for most improved if Josh can get him the ball.
GreggTX Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 13 hours ago, Utah John said: The expression for this I like best is that you have to "look the ball into your hands" which I believe I first heard said by Bud Wilkinson. This isn't very good grammar but it really makes the point that you have to have the positive, affirmative intention of watching the ball's flight all the way into your hands, and looking at your hands too to make sure they're set properly to make the catch, rather than the more passive idea of seeing it coming and catching it. Part of the difficulty with not doing so is that your hands no longer are set properly -- you are likely to move them as you visualize what your body is going to do next, to make someone miss or to absorb a hit. Race car drivers say the car goes where your eyes go. If you keep your eyes on the track you'll stay on the track, but if you're worried about the wall and look at it, you're more likely to hit the wall. I have learned in my own normal driving that it works on the highway, too. If your intention is to look the ball into your hands, and concentrate on that rather than the other players on the field, you will be much more accurate in placing your hands and securing the catch. Good points. I'd also add reaching for the ball and 'pulling it into your body'. That allows you to see best and the ball doesn't bounce off your pads.
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