I'll have a beer and one potato chip

[ExiledInIllinois]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I hope you are not intending to imply that people over age 65, or people over age 85 for that matter, are "going to die anyway in a matter of months" or  if they die something something "culling the herd"

 

You weren't intending to imply that, were you?

I am very VERY skeptical  of his crowd. 

 

We need an answer @LeviF91 Stat!

[Johnny Hammersticks]

11 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I am very VERY skeptical  of his crowd. 

 

We need an answer @LeviF91 Stat!

 

That’s it!  We’re going to fight at the home opener tailgate!  Waaaaaaa! ? 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

That’s it!  We’re going to fight at the home opener tailgate!  Waaaaaaa! ? 

 

That’s the Wuhan talking!  

[Golden Goat]

JFC, Lays was waaaaaay ahead of this.

 

[LeviF]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I hope you are not intending to imply that people over age 65, or people over age 85 for that matter, are "going to die anyway in a matter of months" or  if they die something something "culling the herd"

 

You weren't intending to imply that, were you?

Did I ***** say it to begin with? FOH

[Bill from NYC]

On ‎7‎/‎17‎/‎2020 at 9:04 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

People don’t linger for hours drinking and chatting shoulder to shoulder at smoothie bars.  They order their organic green tea kombucha smoothie and GTFO down the road to the Bikram Yoga class

 

I would like to welcome you to beautiful Missouri where the bars are open, no requirement to buy chips.  Of course, officially the Covid-19 + rate just climbed to 8% locally here.

Unofficially, DHSS is backlogged in documenting about 10,000 cases and test results are taking 7-10 days unless you’re a Priority 1 patient, and an amateur who collates cases from individual counties and laboratories indicated we topped 1,000 cases per day on Weds - RECORD!  For a state with 6M population.

 

This ain’t no *****in’ fake news on the tests, I was busting my hump yesterday and this am trying to find an open testing spot for friend in late 50s with preexisting conditions.  Been running 103 fever, extreme fatigue, body aches, chills since Weds.  Best I could do was tomorrow am, expect results in 6-10 days.  Let’s get this straight: in a city with 2 major medical schools 4.5 months into an epidemic, 9-13 days to get a test and results.   Contact tracing and “box in” strategies are impossible with that turn around.  Meanwhile our governor says masks are a “personal choice” and no one should be ordered to wear a “dang mask”.

 

Welcome to Missouri, Have Fun, Don’t Get Hurt.  So maybe, just maybe, you should Check your Snark about Cuomo a bit.  You got it damn good in NYS Covid-19 wise.

 

Personally I think Cuomo should close the bars and open the primary schools, but that’s just me.

Do you think that riots contribute to covid19 or just bars?

 

In NYC there are no protest restrictions, just restrictions on businesses and people not rioting.  As for Cuomo, ask the 5,000 nursing home patients how they feel about him. Wait, never mind.....they are dead because Cuomo ordered nursing homes to admit covid19 patients, even though the Javits Center was empty and he was given a HUGE medical ship by the federal govt.

Edited July 20, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[The Poojer]

I went to 2 breweries, 1 Wegmans and 1 bar this weekend.  All were adhering to the guidelines set forth by our trusted leaders.  I wore my 'mask' wherever and whenever was required of me

[teef]

50 minutes ago, The Poojer said:

I went to 2 breweries, 1 Wegmans and 1 bar this weekend.  All were adhering to the guidelines set forth by our trusted leaders.  I wore my 'mask' wherever and whenever was required of me

i'm good with going out as long as the establishment and customers play by the rules.  i went to an indoor dinner for the first time this thurday, and they did a great job.  everyone wore masks to the table.  tables separated, (which i feel bad for the owner, but has to be done for now), masks when going to the bathroom, etc.  i'd go back they did such a good job.  my brother in law accidentally forgot his mask at the table when leaving, and wow were people pissed.  it's just treated differently around here which i appreciate.  people are going out, but are being careful.  to me that's the best mix.  

[WEATHER DOT COM]

There's a certain bar in Buffalo that is cash only that only serves booze (no food) that was allowed to remain open.

 

How did they do it? They reached out to the County Exec, who reached out to the governor on their behalf, and was granted a waiver.

 

It seems like that might be a better strategy for these businesses than posting their complaints on Facebook.

 

 

[The Poojer]

I think this post alone shows how ridiculous these rules/laws are.  Just because a bar has connections they are exempt from following the guidelines???

 

13 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

There's a certain bar in Buffalo that is cash only that only serves booze (no food) that was allowed to remain open.

 

How did they do it? They reached out to the County Exec, who reached out to the governor on their behalf, and was granted a waiver.

 

It seems like that might be a better strategy for these businesses than posting their complaints on Facebook.

 

 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

11 minutes ago, The Poojer said:

I think this post alone shows how ridiculous these rules/laws are.  Just because a bar has connections they are exempt from following the guidelines???

 

 

Every business owner has the contact information for the county exec. 

[The Poojer]

still, the guidelines should apply to all or none.  this disease allegedly doesn't discriminate against age, sex, food service or non food service.

 

Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Every business owner has the contact information for the county exec. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, The Poojer said:

still, the guidelines should apply to all or none.  this disease allegedly doesn't discriminate against age, sex, food service or non food service.

 

It might by blood type!  Imagine  that.  O blood type  people  have a 38% chance of beating it.  B type  worse.  Almost 40% worse.

 

Not saying  it is true.  But if it was, could  people  handle the truth?  O Blood type  privilege?  B Types Matter?

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-blood-types-disease-severe/#app

 

People are already struggling  how they were born!

 

Victimhood is a badge of honor now!

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

There's a certain bar in Buffalo that is cash only that only serves booze (no food) that was allowed to remain open.

 

How did they do it? They reached out to the County Exec, who reached out to the governor on their behalf, and was granted a waiver.

 

It seems like that might be a better strategy for these businesses than posting their complaints on Facebook.

 

 

What establishment is this?  I highly doubt this happened.  If word got out, you’d have hundreds of local bars making the same request...and then you’d have a free for all. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

And this is why we can't  have nice things  in our family. 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Do you think that riots contribute to covid19 or just bars?

 

I think there isn't much evidence that outdoor demonstrations (of the peaceful sort) contribute at all.  There did not seem to be a surge in cases associated with the "reopening" protests in Michigan and Texas (which featured very little mask use), nor in most cities where major BLM protests occurred (which featured considerable mask use from what I saw).  If you have sources to the contrary, please present.

 

Outdoors seems to be much less risk of transmission than indoors.  If bars served outdoors over a large area, they'd probably be fine too.  But that's not what I see in bars.

 

I think riots likely contributed to covid-19, though a link has not been proven.   Please don't take this as a slam at the police - they didn't call themselves out to shut things down - but the techniques used to quell riots are "lick your chops" feast for covid-19.

 

Quote

In NYC there are no protest restrictions, just restrictions on businesses and people not rioting.  As for Cuomo, ask the 5,000 nursing home patients how they feel about him. Wait, never mind.....they are dead because Cuomo ordered nursing homes to admit covid19 patients, even though the Javits Center was empty and he was given a HUGE medical ship by the federal govt.

 

There's a lot of timeline to sort there.  For example, if I recall correctly it was relatively late in the pandemic when Javits Center converted from being a "no covid 19 patients" site to accepting covid patients.  Do you know the date that changed?   Likewise, Mercy was originally set up to be "no covid-19 patients".  Do you know when that changed?

 

Javitts Center should have been used far more effectively.  I don't know its capabilities, thus whether or not it was equipped to receive the nursing home patients (or whether the Federal Government running it had agreed it would accept covid positive patients at the point where returning patients were arguably introducing covid-19 into their facilities.  But clearly, seriously ill people were sent home, untested, to isolate with their families.  Some of those family members then contracted covid-19 and required hospitalization.  Some died.  Some of those seriously ill people sent home died suddenly, of what we now believe to be covid-19 complications.  On the other hand, we have people here who say they would vehemently oppose a public health policy to isolate covid-19 patients in hospitals, as has been done in Singapore, S. Korea, etc.

Here's the thing, Bill: in states which did NOT follow, what was, at the time, CDC advice - covid-19 still got into the nursing homes and killed a lot of people.  In Missouri, there have been two routes: 1) early in the epidemic, a patient hospitalized for other reasons contracted covid-19 and was sent back to the facility where they infected staff who infected others 2) a staff member was infected, sometimes unknowingly sometimes with known symptoms, and spread covid-19 to the residents they cared for.

 

I think by the time Javitts changed to accepting covid-19 patients, covid-19 was already in the nursing homes.  I want to see an independent audit, not the State DOH report, on how covid-19 got into the NYS nursing homes.  But I think it's probably true that covid-19 likely got into most nursing homes through staff (and early on, through visitors and through not-known-to-be-infected patients who returned) because that's what happened elsewhere.  So attributing all those deaths to the "must accept patients policy" is probably not reasonable.

 

Multiple things can be true at once.  Cuomo and DeBlasio made mistakes and delayed in a way that cost lives early in the pandemic - more than one.  But once they got to grips with their problem, most of the decisions they made were guided by public health.

 

And that's not true in a lot of states, and it's a problem.  I notice you didn't comment upon the rest of my post.  Now that I've given you a thoughtful response, would you care to weigh in?  For your convenience, here it is:

"I would like to welcome you to beautiful Missouri where the bars are open, no requirement to buy chips.  Of course, officially the Covid-19 + rate just climbed to 8% locally here.

 

Unofficially, DHSS is backlogged in documenting about 10,000 cases and test results are taking 7-10 days unless you’re a Priority 1 patient.  An amateur who collates cases from individual counties and laboratories indicated we topped 1,000 cases per day on Weds - RECORD!  For a state with 6M population.

 

This ain’t no *****in’ fake news on the tests, I was busting my hump yesterday and this am trying to find an open testing spot for friend in late 50s with preexisting conditions.  Been running 103 fever, extreme fatigue, body aches, chills since Weds.  Best I could do was tomorrow am, expect results in 6-10 days.  Let’s get this straight: in a city with 2 major medical schools 4.5 months into an epidemic, 9-13 days to get a test and results.   Contact tracing and “box in” strategies are impossible with that turn around.  Meanwhile our governor says masks are a “personal choice” and no one should be ordered to wear a “dang mask”.

 

Welcome to Missouri, Have Fun, Don’t Get Hurt.  So maybe, just maybe, you should Check your Snark about Cuomo a bit.  You got it damn good in NYS Covid-19 wise."

Do you think the situation in Missouri, and in other states such as Florida and Texas and Arizona and California who have not been driven by public health guidelines in reopening, is desireable?  Do you believe it will not cost lives?

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think there isn't much evidence that outdoor demonstrations (of the peaceful sort) contribute at all.  There did not seem to be a surge in cases associated with the "reopening" protests in Michigan and Texas (which featured very little mask use), nor in most cities where major BLM protests occurred (which featured considerable mask use from what I saw).  If you have sources to the contrary, please present.

 

Outdoors seems to be much less risk of transmission than indoors.  If bars served outdoors over a large area, they'd probably be fine too.  But that's not what I see in bars.

 

I think riots likely contributed to covid-19, though a link has not been proven.   Please don't take this as a slam at the police - they didn't call themselves out to shut things down - but the techniques used to quell riots are "lick your chops" feast for covid-19.

 

 

There's a lot of timeline to sort there.  For example, if I recall correctly it was relatively late in the pandemic when Javits Center converted from being a "no covid 19 patients" site to accepting covid patients.  Do you know the date that changed?   Likewise, Mercy was originally set up to be "no covid-19 patients".  Do you know when that changed?

 

Javitts Center should have been used far more effectively.  I don't know its capabilities, thus whether or not it was equipped to receive the nursing home patients (or whether the Federal Government running it had agreed it would accept covid positive patients at the point where returning patients were arguably introducing covid-19 into their facilities.  But clearly, seriously ill people were sent home, untested, to isolate with their families.  Some of those family members then contracted covid-19 and required hospitalization.  Some died.  Some of those seriously ill people sent home died suddenly, of what we now believe to be covid-19 complications.  On the other hand, we have people here who say they would vehemently oppose a public health policy to isolate covid-19 patients in hospitals, as has been done in Singapore, S. Korea, etc.

Here's the thing, Bill: in states which did NOT follow, what was, at the time, CDC advice - covid-19 still got into the nursing homes and killed a lot of people.  In Missouri, there have been two routes: 1) early in the epidemic, a patient hospitalized for other reasons contracted covid-19 and was sent back to the facility where they infected staff who infected others 2) a staff member was infected, sometimes unknowingly sometimes with known symptoms, and spread covid-19 to the residents they cared for.

 

I think by the time Javitts changed to accepting covid-19 patients, covid-19 was already in the nursing homes.  I want to see an independent audit, not the State DOH report, on how covid-19 got into the NYS nursing homes.  But I think it's probably true that covid-19 likely got into most nursing homes through staff (and early on, through visitors and through not-known-to-be-infected patients who returned) because that's what happened elsewhere.  So attributing all those deaths to the "must accept patients policy" is probably not reasonable.

 

Multiple things can be true at once.  Cuomo and DeBlasio made mistakes and delayed in a way that cost lives early in the pandemic - more than one.  But once they got to grips with their problem, most of the decisions they made were guided by public health.

 

And that's not true in a lot of states, and it's a problem.  I notice you didn't comment upon the rest of my post.  Now that I've given you a thoughtful response, would you care to weigh in?  For your convenience, here it is:

"I would like to welcome you to beautiful Missouri where the bars are open, no requirement to buy chips.  Of course, officially the Covid-19 + rate just climbed to 8% locally here.

 

Unofficially, DHSS is backlogged in documenting about 10,000 cases and test results are taking 7-10 days unless you’re a Priority 1 patient.  An amateur who collates cases from individual counties and laboratories indicated we topped 1,000 cases per day on Weds - RECORD!  For a state with 6M population.

 

This ain’t no *****in’ fake news on the tests, I was busting my hump yesterday and this am trying to find an open testing spot for friend in late 50s with preexisting conditions.  Been running 103 fever, extreme fatigue, body aches, chills since Weds.  Best I could do was tomorrow am, expect results in 6-10 days.  Let’s get this straight: in a city with 2 major medical schools 4.5 months into an epidemic, 9-13 days to get a test and results.   Contact tracing and “box in” strategies are impossible with that turn around.  Meanwhile our governor says masks are a “personal choice” and no one should be ordered to wear a “dang mask”.

 

Welcome to Missouri, Have Fun, Don’t Get Hurt.  So maybe, just maybe, you should Check your Snark about Cuomo a bit.  You got it damn good in NYS Covid-19 wise."

Do you think the situation in Missouri, and in other states such as Florida and Texas and Arizona and California who have not been driven by public health guidelines in reopening, is desireable?  Do you believe it will not cost lives?

 

 

 

I hate to jump in here with your dialogue with Bill.  I know how you feel about Covid, a little bit about your background from what you have shared, and how passionate you are about this. 

 

I'm not a scientist, a doctor or anyone remotely qualified to debate the merits of testing, treatments or the future of the virus. 

 

I am, however old enough to have seen a crisis or two, political manipulations by political leaders, and been through enough post-crisis debriefings to have some opinions on the world at large. 

 

For what it's worth,  I wear a mask, I respect social distancing, I try not to put others in harm's way. I believe the virus is dangerous to some, not so much to others, and that there is an awful lot of political skulduggery afoot.  

 

This positioning on protests makes zero sense. 20,000...30,000 hell 500 people  gathering together in outside venues do not spontaneously appear at a protest. They arrive by public transport, private transport, by foot. They travel in groups, alone and create the normal human trail along the way. They eat at McDonalds and interact with humans there.  They use public restrooms, they eat, sneeze, burp, and vomit along the way.  They interact with other similarly minded individuals, they share emotions, tears, rage, victory and defeat.  They twist their ankles, get into shoving matches, fall off a curb and break their arms. They share drinks, split an order of french fries, and of course, engage with police or other responders. They have heart attacks, appendicitis and car accidents. Some will get heat stroke. Many will need to visit an ER, an urgent care facility, whatever.  I'll bet you, people being people, there will be some bodily fluids exchanged and some babies born 9 months out. 

 

Once at the protest site, they march arm in arm at times, in extremely close proximity, often engaged in shouting and screa.ing to be heard. I think we would all agree that mask discipline is suspect at best, meaning the potential for transmission is quite high. 

 

When I consider the backdrop and what he himself has said about the virus, the political branding of the virus and protestors is absurd. 

 

Yet...Cuomo limits just about everything else.  

 

It's no secret there is money and power in COVID, and it doesn't matter which side of the argument you are on.   

 

In my opinion, Cuomo badly mishandled NYC in general, and the nursing home situation.  It was a tall order, being Gov during this crisis. I detest the guy, but he deserved a pass early on and I gave it to him.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PastaJoe]

8 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Do you think that riots contribute to covid19 or just bars?

 

In NYC there are no protest restrictions, just restrictions on businesses and people not rioting.  As for Cuomo, ask the 5,000 nursing home patients how they feel about him. Wait, never mind.....they are dead because Cuomo ordered nursing homes to admit covid19 patients, even though the Javits Center was empty and he was given a HUGE medical ship by the federal govt.

Your lack of facts is appalling. The protesters were outside, not in buildings with poor ventilation, thus the reason outdoor dining was allowed first. And there is no evidence they contributed to virus increases, otherwise there’d be a spike in NYS. Cuomo followed federal anti-discrimination laws and Trump’s CDC guidelines regarding nursing homes. If you didn’t like them then take it up with Trump. Javits and Comfort weren’t available at the start, and weren’t initially allowed by feds to take Covid patients. This revisionist history to attack Cuomo because Trump looks so bad by comparison is laughable, and the majority of Americans agree. NYS is now in a position to help others in crisis, as Cuomo did. today for Savannah, Ga.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/coronavirus-cases-protests-black-lives-matter-trnd/index.html#click=https://t.co/TH3vJK7C1p

https://www.newsweek.com/andrew-cuomo-donald-trump-approval-ratings-1516860

 

[Bill from NYC]

6 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

Your lack of facts is appalling. The protesters were outside, not in buildings with poor ventilation, thus the reason outdoor dining was allowed first. And there is no evidence they contributed to virus increases, otherwise there’d be a spike in NYS. Cuomo followed federal anti-discrimination laws and Trump’s CDC guidelines regarding nursing homes. If you didn’t like them then take it up with Trump. Javits and Comfort weren’t available at the start, and weren’t initially allowed by feds to take Covid patients. This revisionist history to attack Cuomo because Trump looks so bad by comparison is laughable, and the majority of Americans agree. NYS is now in a position to help others in crisis, as Cuomo did. today for Savannah, Ga.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/coronavirus-cases-protests-black-lives-matter-trnd/index.html#click=https://t.co/TH3vJK7C1p

https://www.newsweek.com/andrew-cuomo-donald-trump-approval-ratings-1516860

 

Your polls mean nothing and your support for Cuomo is no surprise.

 

Rioting is not a danger to one's health in a pandemic, right? Next you will be telling us it is good for you!

 

And btw, Cuomo, when asked about the nursing home butchery was quoted as saying," old people die." It took him weeks and 5,000 or more deaths to admit to a mistake. Oh, and as far as the president is concerned, I'm certain that you called him a racist and a xenophobe when he closed the borders to China and then Europe. 

 

C'mon Bro, tell the truth.

[Bill from NYC]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think there isn't much evidence that outdoor demonstrations (of the peaceful sort) contribute at all.  There did not seem to be a surge in cases associated with the "reopening" protests in Michigan and Texas (which featured very little mask use), nor in most cities where major BLM protests occurred (which featured considerable mask use from what I saw).  If you have sources to the contrary, please present.

 

Outdoors seems to be much less risk of transmission than indoors.  If bars served outdoors over a large area, they'd probably be fine too.  But that's not what I see in bars.

 

I think riots likely contributed to covid-19, though a link has not been proven.   Please don't take this as a slam at the police - they didn't call themselves out to shut things down - but the techniques used to quell riots are "lick your chops" feast for covid-19.

 

Multiple things can be true at once.  Cuomo and DeBlasio made mistakes and delayed in a way that cost lives early in the pandemic - more than one.  But once they got to grips with their problem, most of the decisions they made were guided by public health.

 

 

 

 

https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/cuomo-in-georgia-says-ny-faltered-its-coronavirus-response/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=facebook_app&fbclid=IwAR3uEpGoA7JDr86sh33oXVZODqVViMai2grIh1izTavaiZSC0hhgEotX-Lg

He and Mayor Wilhelm are not doing so well with crime either. Shootings for the month of June were up 130% against June/2019. 

Weather?

Edited July 20, 2020 by Bill from NYC