BarleyNY Posted July 16, 2020 Posted July 16, 2020 https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-franchise-tag-roundup-dak-prescott-derrick-henry-yannick-ngakoue The deadline to reach new agreements has passed for franchise tagged players. Here’s where they all stand. Dak is obviously the big news for NOT getting a deal. Not a ton of surprises though, except I’d have thought that AJ Green would’ve signed his tag by now.
first_and_ten Posted July 16, 2020 Posted July 16, 2020 Does anyone think that Dak will be the newCousins? 1
Steve Billieve Posted July 16, 2020 Posted July 16, 2020 On 7/16/2020 at 10:45 PM, first_and_ten said: Does anyone think that Dak will be the newCousins? Expand Seems inevitable. Think he's better than Cousins though. Cowboys burned all their leverage, now its market price, which is a likely death sentence for any championship dreams.
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted July 16, 2020 Posted July 16, 2020 On 7/16/2020 at 10:45 PM, first_and_ten said: Does anyone think that Dak will be the newCousins? Expand Don't be surprised if they let Dak walk next year, draft a guy in 2021, and ride the Dalton train until the new guy is ready, Cowboys have a good offense and the QB can hide behind their good o-line and let Zeke carry the load. Jerry Jones doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that will accept these circumstances and may see it as an affront to his ego. It's nice to see the drama in Dallas and I hope it drags their whole team into the gutter. 3
Saxum Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 On 7/16/2020 at 11:25 PM, Steve Billieve said: Seems inevitable. Think he's better than Cousins though. Cowboys burned all their leverage, now its market price, which is a likely death sentence for any championship dreams. Expand They at least have Dalton so they can use him as starter while he has his Dak'ing house parties. 1
billsfan89 Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 On 7/16/2020 at 10:45 PM, first_and_ten said: Does anyone think that Dak will be the newCousins? Expand Cousins led the Vikings to a playoff victory but I think Dak is more likely to be a Cousins type average to above average QB rather than the top 5 QB hos contract will demand him to be. 1
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/16/2020 at 11:49 PM, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Don't be surprised if they let Dak walk next year, draft a guy in 2021, and ride the Dalton train until the new guy is ready, Cowboys have a good offense and the QB can hide behind their good o-line and let Zeke carry the load. Jerry Jones doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that will accept these circumstances and may see it as an affront to his ego. It's nice to see the drama in Dallas and I hope it drags their whole team into the gutter. Expand Not a big Dak fan. (as I have stated many times on here) Cowboys have not won much because of or with Dak. I would have traded Dak and rolled with Dalton this year. And they can draft a QB next year to groom. The boys can win with Dalton and that O line and group of skilled position players. The whole contract situation w Prescott puts a stink on the team. Have no idea why anyone would pay him 35 million. He is soft like a down feather pillow. ( I know who would pay him-Kirby Jackson would!!) 1
nucci Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/18/2020 at 6:26 PM, Paup 1995MVP said: Not a big Dak fan. (as I have stated many times on here) Cowboys have not won much because of or with Dak. I would have traded Dak and rolled with Dalton this year. And they can draft a QB next year to groom. The boys can win with Dalton and that O line and group of skilled position players. The whole contract situation w Prescott puts a stink on the team. Have no idea why anyone would pay him 35 million. He is soft like a down feather pillow. ( I know who would pay him-Kirby Jackson would!!) Expand How many QBs get "groomed" anymore? If Prescott leaves why not draft an immediate starter?
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/18/2020 at 6:29 PM, nucci said: How many QBs get "groomed" anymore? If Prescott leaves why not draft an immediate starter? Expand Good point Nucci. Depending on where the Cowboys were to draft next year, they very well could find an immediate starter. Other then Trevor Lawrence, who are the top QB's ahead of this coming college season (if there actually is one) that will likely be coming out in next year's draft?
GunnerBill Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 9:17 PM, billsfan89 said: Cousins led the Vikings to a playoff victory but I think Dak is more likely to be a Cousins type average to above average QB rather than the top 5 QB hos contract will demand him to be. Expand His contract will only be top 5 for a year - 2 at most. Then you get two cheap years. If you are a top 10 guy (Dak is) then when you get paid you get what is at the time top 5 money. That is just how the market works.
billsfan89 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/20/2020 at 8:24 AM, GunnerBill said: His contract will only be top 5 for a year - 2 at most. Then you get two cheap years. If you are a top 10 guy (Dak is) then when you get paid you get what is at the time top 5 money. That is just how the market works. Expand It's still going to be a large contract that eats up a lot of cap even on the back end of that deal. In totality for that deal to be worth it for the Cowboys Dak is going to have to be a top 5 to 7 QB. If Dak plays at a 9 to 13 QB level throughout that deal the Cowboys won't ever be more than a 9 to 10 win team in a good year.
GunnerBill Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) On 7/20/2020 at 3:22 PM, billsfan89 said: It's still going to be a large contract that eats up a lot of cap even on the back end of that deal. In totality for that deal to be worth it for the Cowboys Dak is going to have to be a top 5 to 7 QB. If Dak plays at a 9 to 13 QB level throughout that deal the Cowboys won't ever be more than a 9 to 10 win team in a good year. Expand I don't agree. Derek Carr by year 3 after becoming the highest paid player in the NFL was the 9th best paid QB. And there is Watson, Allen, Baker, Darnold, Lamar, Murray and Daniel Jones (without including the vets who come up in that time period) who all come up in that first two years. The last minute compromise that fell through was going to put Dak 3rd behind Mahomes and Wilson - very conceivable by year 3 of his deal he would be about the 9th - 12th best paid Quarterback. Edited July 20, 2020 by GunnerBill
Mark Vader Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 1:43 PM, Paup 1995MVP said: Good point Nucci. Depending on where the Cowboys were to draft next year, they very well could find an immediate starter. Other then Trevor Lawrence, who are the top QB's ahead of this coming college season (if there actually is one) that will likely be coming out in next year's draft? Expand Trey Lance-North Dakota State Justin Fields-Ohio State Jamie Newman-Georgia Brock Purdy-Iowa State Sam Ehlinger-Texas Tanner Morgan-Minnesota
billsfan89 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) On 7/20/2020 at 3:58 PM, GunnerBill said: I don't agree. Derek Carr by year 3 after becoming the highest paid player in the NFL was the 9th best paid QB. And there is Watson, Allen, Baker, Darnold, Lamar, Murray and Daniel Jones (without including the vets who come up in that time period) who all come up in that first two years. The last minute compromise that fell through was going to put Dak 3rd behind Mahomes and Wilson - very conceivable by year 3 of his deal he would be about the 9th - 12th best paid Quarterback. Expand Being the 9th to 12th best paid QB in an inflated market doesn't mean that is a recipe for success especially with a cap that might not be inflating as preciously thought. Paying 35ish million for a QB who isn't a top 5 to 7 player means the team around him isn't as good given that you are committing to 15% or more of your cap to one player whose positional advantage is limited without progression. That contract is going to cap the Cowboys at above average unless Dak plays at top 5 to 7 level. If he is just kind of good like he has been then they will be a 7 to 10 win team. Edited July 20, 2020 by billsfan89
GunnerBill Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/20/2020 at 7:37 PM, billsfan89 said: Being the 9th to 12th best paid QB in an inflated market doesn't mean that is a recipe for success especially with a cap that might not be inflating as preciously thought. Paying 35ish million for a QB who isn't a top 5 to 7 player means the team around him isn't as good given that you are committing to 15% or more of your cap to one player whose positional advantage is limited without progression. That contract is going to cap the Cowboys at above average unless Dak plays at top 5 to 7 level. If he is just kind of good like he has been then they will be a 7 to 10 win team. Expand Right, so even if I accept all that, what is the alternative? Because someone else will pay him that. If you are saying there are only 5 QBs in the league you would pay then you are gonna be left with the dregs. It is the "stop the world I wanna get off" approach. Bills fans more than almost any other fanbase (maybe other than the Browns) should know how limiting being left with bottom of the league Quarterbacking is. 1
FLFan Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/20/2020 at 8:43 PM, GunnerBill said: Right, so even if I accept all that, what is the alternative? Because someone else will pay him that. If you are saying there are only 5 QBs in the league you would pay then you are gonna be left with the dregs. It is the "stop the world I wanna get off" approach. Bills fans more than almost any other fanbase (maybe other than the Browns) should know how limiting being left with bottom of the league Quarterbacking is. Expand Here is a fact. QBs are paid beyond their value in the NFL, because the alternative is generally worse. 1
DCOrange Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/20/2020 at 5:53 PM, Mark Vader said: Trey Lance-North Dakota State Justin Fields-Ohio State Jamie Newman-Georgia Brock Purdy-Iowa State Sam Ehlinger-Texas Tanner Morgan-Minnesota Expand Trevor Lawrence too, no?
Mark Vader Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 On 7/20/2020 at 10:31 PM, DCOrange said: Trevor Lawrence too, no? Expand He said, "Other than Trevor Lawrence."
DCOrange Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 1:08 AM, Mark Vader said: He said, "Other than Trevor Lawrence." Expand Ah, gotcha. I'm blind. 1
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