Is the contract Addison got the same one they offered Lawson?

[hondo in seattle]

Shaq had 16.5 sacks over the past four years.  Addison had 39 over the span.  Shaq's best year during that span wasn't as productive as Addison's worst.  

 

Lawson has played like a backup during his career so far.   Mario plays like a bona fide starter.  

 

Age is the only wild card complicating the comparison.  At 32, will Addison slow down or become more fragile? 

 

And Shaq has already played four years in the NFL so you would think he's already hit his peak.  But maybe he's a late bloomer - like Addison.   

Edited July 16, 2020 by hondo in seattle

[Fixxxer]

The day that I see Lawson creating his own pressure, it will be the day that I will regret seeing him go. The Bills' defensive system and the rotation implemented by McDermott allows the players to get to the QB, for the most part. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

42 minutes ago, Fixxxer said:

The day that I see Lawson creating his own pressure, it will be the day that I will regret seeing him go. The Bills' defensive system and the rotation implemented by McDermott allows the players to get to the QB, for the most part. 

This is true and a big reason he is gone, his style is different then what McD wants. Addison attacks naturally, Shaq sets the edge better. 

[SCBills]

I wouldn’t have minded keeping Lawson.  I don’t love when people bash him, as I think a lot of us were on the “re-sign Lawson” side of the fence about keeping him at the contract Miami gave him.  
 

That said - If we knew we had Addison in the fold, this was a home run.  Especially when we ended up drafting Epenesa, and will likely draft DE early again next year. 
 

Addison/Hughes, even at their age, should be a very strong pass rush tandem.   They might only be that way for the next 2 years, but should be preserved by our DL rotation philosophy and by 2022, we’ll have likely transitioned to high pick rookie contract DE’s in Epenesa and whoever we draft early in the next two years (likely two more DE’s) 

 

With potential blue chip players at QB, WR, LT, CB and MLB to hand out big contracts to in upcoming years, I’m really impressed by the vision and salary cap roster building of Beane and co. 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

But that’s the tricky part in the nfl.  Mario Williams, a much more talented player, went from 14.5 to 5 to 1.5 and then out of the league at 31.  These guys can fall off a cliff in one year.  
 

I think Shaq got overpaid and isn’t a dominant pass rusher.  But he is a good all around DE, who is 25 and appears to be ascending.  It’s a tough call and I will trust them in defense because they been really good with their evaluations (minus Venison Murphy and Star).  But I won’t be shocked at all to regret this move in a few years. 

Shaq isn’t a special pass rusher but it’s hard to say the 33 year old has more upside.  

Or.....he could be the next Lorax

[MJS]

Nothing against Lawson. But I think we upgraded. I do not think Beane offered that contract to him.

[MJS]

13 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

I understand what the OP is saying.

 

I'll go out on a limb here and say I think the DL is weaker than before, with the exception of Epensa.

 

Lawson and Phillips were loud, proud and loved being Buffalo Bills. Look at the Thanksgiving game.

Lawson and Phillips feasted. We don't win that game without them.

 

A DT with 10 sacks? We hope Oliver does that. We just let one go. Phillips may go on as being the next gen Pat Williams.

A low cost find at DT, that was a big mistake to let go at DT.

 

Phillips' sacks were mostly in large situations. 3rd and long, sack.

 

I am in the minority, but I think the DL is weaker than last year.

 

Sure, we have numbers, but Lawson and Phillips did ball out last year.

 

Sure, contract years and all, but if we want to buy into McDermott's all in philosophy, these guys feasted.

 

Big mistakes that could be afforded IMO.

Phillips didn't do his job. That's the problem. He made splash plays and got sacks, but he had zero impact otherwise. He went off script and gave up big plays in the run game.

 

Phillips wanted a new contract. He did what he needed to do to get it. I don't have anything against him. I just don't think he fits our defense. He doesn't have that "one eleventh" mentality. He needs a team that can tell him "just go get the QB".

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

29 minutes ago, MJS said:

Phillips didn't do his job. That's the problem. He made splash plays and got sacks, but he had zero impact otherwise. He went off script and gave up big plays in the run game.

 

Phillips wanted a new contract. He did what he needed to do to get it. I don't have anything against him. I just don't think he fits our defense. He doesn't have that "one eleventh" mentality. He needs a team that can tell him "just go get the QB".

 

I'd be lying if I didn't have a serious soft spot for guys that love Buffalo.  What you are saying is true, and we did the right thing, I just wish it wasn't. 

[C.Biscuit97]

45 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Or.....he could be the next Lorax

I Men’s obviously I hope you’re right.  A huge difference is Lorax didn’t have the wear and tear of a guy normally his age because he was mainly a special teamer.  
 

lorax getting 12.5 sacks at age 33 after having 9 career ones is the Tom Brady in the 6th round.  It’s a freak situation. 

32 minutes ago, MJS said:

Phillips didn't do his job. That's the problem. He made splash plays and got sacks, but he had zero impact otherwise. He went off script and gave up big plays in the run game.

 

Phillips wanted a new contract. He did what he needed to do to get it. I don't have anything against him. I just don't think he fits our defense. He doesn't have that "one eleventh" mentality. He needs a team that can tell him "just go get the QB".

Agreed.  Phillips got the flashy numbers but wasn’t a great all around player.  Imo, Lawson is the better all around player. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I Men’s obviously I hope you’re right.  A huge difference is Lorax didn’t have the wear and tear of a guy normally his age because he was mainly a special teamer.  
 

lorax getting 12.5 sacks at age 33 after having 9 career ones is the Tom Brady in the 6th round.  It’s a freak situation. 

Agreed.  Phillips got the flashy numbers but wasn’t a great all around player.  Imo, Lawson is the better all around player. 

 

Lawson was a good all around player even before he got that the flashier sack numbers. He was always a solid run defender. Thing is, sometimes it takes time to figure out to finish out the pash-rush. I can't help but think we should have kept him. He got like $10M, and if I remember correctly, we offered $9M. I wish we had given it to him. I just have a hard time seeing Addison producing at the same pace as he did in his younger years, assuming he can even stay healthy. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Shaq unfortunately has a history of never quite making it to the summit of his potential...

 

(14:26 mark)

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/buffalo-bills-embedded-episode-1-agents-of-change 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Phillips didn't do his job. That's the problem. He made splash plays and got sacks, but he had zero impact otherwise. He went off script and gave up big plays in the run game.

 

Phillips wanted a new contract. He did what he needed to do to get it. I don't have anything against him. I just don't think he fits our defense. He doesn't have that "one eleventh" mentality. He needs a team that can tell him "just go get the QB".

Completely agree.  Phillips is a decent player for the right team, love his attitude and wish he made more sense for us as a team, but he doesn’t fit what we need.  You especially don’t give a pass rush specialist DT, who’s weak in the run game, a big contract when you’ve already spent a Top 10 pick on Ed Oliver and have a 3rd Round DT coming back this year...  That’s venturing into NY Jets DT obsession levels. 

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Completely agree.  Phillips is a decent player for the right team, love his attitude and wish he made more sense for us as a team, but he doesn’t fit what we need.  You especially don’t give a pass rush specialist DT, who’s weak in the run game, a big contract when you’ve already spent a Top 10 pick on Ed Oliver and have a 3rd Round DT coming back this year...  That’s venturing into NY Jets DT obsession levels. 

 

His football knowledge is also lacking. I remember when he came on One Bills Live and Tasker was trying to talk to him about the difference between a 1-Tech and a 3-Tech. He had no clue. Finally Tasker had to explain it. One of the most painful interviews I can remember.

[thebandit27]

Pass rushing numbers aside, I’ll point out again that if you look at the defenders that left vs the ones that were brought in, there’s one very clear and obvious differentiator:

 

Missed tackles

 

The guys that left missed a LOT. The guys they signed missed very, very few.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

16 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Completely agree.  Phillips is a decent player for the right team, love his attitude and wish he made more sense for us as a team, but he doesn’t fit what we need.  You especially don’t give a pass rush specialist DT, who’s weak in the run game, a big contract when you’ve already spent a Top 10 pick on Ed Oliver and have a 3rd Round DT coming back this year...  That’s venturing into NY Jets DT obsession levels. 

 

Team added Jefferson as well who has some familiarity at different positions along the defensive line.  If your starters are hughes-oliver-lotulelei-addison, you have rotational depth with epenesa-jefferson-butler-murphy.  Jefferson would probably be more comparable as a player to what they would have wanted out of lawson, while addison would be considered an upgrade as a pass rusher on passing downs (when the team was using murphy and lorax more anyway.