The plan to start the 2020 NFL season: (Update - NFL and NFLPA agree on all issues)

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

So they haven’t figured out how to overcome the long delays between testing and results?  That is all you need to know.  
 

I’m guessing 80% chance there is no season. 

I believe you are correct, at the rate infections are growing, and now the death rate is sadly increasing as well, there is little chance that the season will happen, there are a bunch of people who need to wrap their minds around this very real possibility, that and the NFL won’t be the ones making the decision anyways, I do find it odd that some folk really think it’s the NFLs decision, the league is pretending they actually have a voice in this. 

[LabattBlue]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Becton Dickinson's test gives results in 15 minutes. 

I don’t know who Becton is, Dickinson either...clearly the NFL also doesn’t know who they are.  ?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

And if they do figure that out, they will catch hell from the rest of the country who are waiting over a week for test results, some even much longer.

 

Leaving aside any “hell catching”, SirAndrew is absolutely correct that it’s not a good “look” if the aide caring for Grandy Gert at the Glad Meadows Care Home has to wait for her test results (meaning she either works while positive or stays home and doesn’t get paid) and if HCW who routinely may be in contact with Covid-19 patients can’t get regular tests, but every player and coach on every NFL team gets daily or even 2x/week testing with 1 day turnaround.

 

Ditto the NFL plan calls for every NFL team to have a 2 week supply of N95 respirators and PPE on hand.  I’m not sure what that means, but if the N95s are for every player and coaching assistant, it’s not a good “look” if the team is burning through a couple hundred N95s a day while the doctors and nurses at Banner Medical Center in Phoenix get one per week.  And even while doctors and nurses seeing patients who seek treatment for other disorders, can’t “sniff” an N95 and wear procedure masks.

[klos63]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

I think all the games will be played on time. The players will have to alter their equipment and get tested a lot, and those with positive tests will have to quarantine for awhile.

 

And I don't think fans will be allowed at the games at first, but they will probably let a small amount of fans come later in the season.

 

I don't get all the pessimism. There's no reason to think there will not be a season.

You really don't?  There is a pandemic going on right now.

[WhoTom]

4 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Of course, when it came to how we responded to the coronavirus, the federal government didn't have the power to universally mandate how States responded to the coronavirus, nor would the States have listened to Trump.

 

Some states listened to him: Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

[Saxum]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You kind of allude to my real problem with football starting up, and I love football and I suppose may be drummed out of the regiment as a “Debbie Downer” for this.  But if the NFL is planning to contract with the same available resources (eg LabCorps, Quest, Hospital laboratories etc) that are serving the general population, but to give their tests priority treatment - keep in mind I don’t know the details of their plan - At best, as you say it’s a “Bad Look”.  At worst, is it moral, if football players are getting screened when, as you say, people whose test results affect the safety of others such as nursing home aides are not getting results back in a timely way?

 

 

The NFL almost always uses one vendor for outside services.  All teams use Microsoft Surface for laptops (saw in one video a laptop which was not that and it was carefully covered so you could not see vendor), Zoom for conferences despite known security holes, etc.  It is likely the NFL will make a deal with one vendor who will become official vendor for testing which will have response time requirements.  This will help reduce backlash for there will be vendors who will not be under contract who will not put the NFL at front of line.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

9 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

Some states listened to him: Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

 

This would be super meaningful if not for New York, New Jersey, California, etc. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

I don’t know who Becton is, Dickinson either...clearly the NFL also doesn’t know who they are.  ?

 

I'm sure they do.  It may be a regulatory thing.  Our health system applied late and couldn't get this testing, so we use a system that has a 24-hour turnaround.  Reportedly we will be going to the 15-minute test soon.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

53 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Leaving aside any “hell catching”, SirAndrew is absolutely correct that it’s not a good “look” if the aide caring for Grandy Gert at the Glad Meadows Care Home has to wait for her test results (meaning she either works while positive or stays home and doesn’t get paid) and if HCW who routinely may be in contact with Covid-19 patients can’t get regular tests, but every player and coach on every NFL team gets daily or even 2x/week testing with 1 day turnaround.

 

Ditto the NFL plan calls for every NFL team to have a 2 week supply of N95 respirators and PPE on hand.  I’m not sure what that means, but if the N95s are for every player and coaching assistant, it’s not a good “look” if the team is burning through a couple hundred N95s a day while the doctors and nurses at Banner Medical Center in Phoenix get one per week.  And even while doctors and nurses seeing patients who seek treatment for other disorders, can’t “sniff” an N95 and wear procedure masks.

 

But the league stated they are not going to take supplies away from critical first line responders and medical personal!

[ohboychoboy]

52 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

This would be super meaningful if not for New York, New Jersey, California, etc. 

Exactly this.  For some reason, people tend to ignore the most important scoreboard of all -- Deaths per Million population.  And when you do that The COVID Kings are:

 

New Jersey - 1757 Deaths/Mil

New York - 1666 Deaths/Mil

Connecticut - 1220 Deaths/Mil

Massachusetts - 1206 Deaths/Mil

Rhode Island - 921 Deaths/Mil

D.C. - 805 Deaths / Mil

Louisianna  - 736 Deaths / Mil

Michigan - 632 Deaths/Mil

 

By comparison:

Arizona - 307 Deaths/Mil

Georgia - 283 Deaths/Mil

Florida - 198 Deaths/Mil

Texas - 111 Deaths/Mil

Oklahoma - 107 Deaths/Mil

 

All these current hot-spots have a loooooooonnnnnnggggg way to go before they top Andrew Cuomo and the COVID sewers of the northeast.

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

This would be super meaningful if not for New York, New Jersey, California, etc. 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

 

Take a look at the last 7 days. Mouse over each state to see what percentage of their total cases have been reported in the last 7 days. 20% - 25% of the total cases in FL, TX, and OK have occurred in the last 7 days, since those states relaxed their rules. NY, on the other hand, is 1.3%. Overall, they're doing much worse south of the Mason-Dixon line. CA is an anomaly, no doubt, but it borders NV, AZ. IL has gotten worse since WI opened everything up.

 

Someone else mentioned death rates, as if there were only two possible outcomes to being infected: death or full recovery. There's a whole lot of misery in between those two extremes.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

42 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

 

Take a look at the last 7 days. Mouse over each state to see what percentage of their total cases have been reported in the last 7 days. 20% - 25% of the total cases in FL, TX, and OK have occurred in the last 7 days, since those states relaxed their rules. NY, on the other hand, is 1.3%. Overall, they're doing much worse south of the Mason-Dixon line. CA is an anomaly, no doubt, but it borders NV, AZ. IL has gotten worse since WI opened everything up.

 

Someone else mentioned death rates, as if there were only two possible outcomes to being infected: death or full recovery. There's a whole lot of misery in between those two extremes.

 

Measuring by percentage increase is a cute way of fulfilling a bad disaster porn fetish.  In truth, a 200% increase from 5 is just 10 additional cases, and in the grand scheme of things not that big a deal. Obviously those figures are exaggerations to illustrate a point.  Texas and Florida have a problem; however, until they supplant New York as the Coronavirus capital of the world, I'm all good.  Keep in mind, when I say "New York," I mean the city, not just the State. We are comparing what happened in that city to two of the countries 10 most populous states. Wildly different situations. You can absolutely shove the suggestion that what is happening in Florida and Texas even holds a candle to the absolute recklessness of New York and New Jersey. 

Edited July 12, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 hour ago, ohboychoboy said:

Exactly this.  For some reason, people tend to ignore the most important scoreboard of all -- Deaths per Million population.  And when you do that The COVID Kings are:

 

New Jersey - 1757 Deaths/Mil

New York - 1666 Deaths/Mil

Connecticut - 1220 Deaths/Mil

Massachusetts - 1206 Deaths/Mil

Rhode Island - 921 Deaths/Mil

D.C. - 805 Deaths / Mil

Louisianna  - 736 Deaths / Mil

Michigan - 632 Deaths/Mil

 

By comparison:

Arizona - 307 Deaths/Mil

Georgia - 283 Deaths/Mil

Florida - 198 Deaths/Mil

Texas - 111 Deaths/Mil

Oklahoma - 107 Deaths/Mil

 

All these current hot-spots have a loooooooonnnnnnggggg way to go before they top Andrew Cuomo and the COVID sewers of the northeast.

 

It is f-ing gross watching people do the mental gymnastics it takes to claim that Cuomo is the hero of COVID-19.  This type of garbage partisanship is why I'm out on all politics. 

Edited July 12, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands

[Saxum]

7 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

It is f-ing gross watching people do the mental gymnastics it takes to claim that Cuomo is the hero of COVI-19.  This type of garbage partisanship is why I'm out on all politics. 

Other than being a poor liar you mean.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Other than being a poor liar you mean.

 

Not just poor, a pandering liar. 

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

I don’t know who Becton is, Dickinson either...clearly the NFL also doesn’t know who they are.  ?

Labatt, I understand as no one can know everything about everyone else’s industry, but if you do a search, BD is a top company that se,lbs innovative tests, devices, etc. in the medical space. My company in the past, Medtronic, which I’m sure most people know that name was a partner with them and a previous employee if mine now works for BD doing very well.  It is a highly reputable company.

 

Don't take my word for it, just Do a simple google search.  I have a number of friends and acquaintances there and they are very reputable people. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

12 hours ago, Leonhart2017 said:

This season will be nothing new for Tom Brady since the refs have not let anyone get within 6 feet of him for the last two decades. 

Mic drop ? —this ladies and gents, is how it’s done. 

[MJS]

7 hours ago, klos63 said:

You really don't?  There is a pandemic going on right now.

Yeah and it makes it so much better for people to state every other post that there won't be a season.

 

Like anyone actually knows what will happen.

[Mickey]

18 hours ago, ohboychoboy said:

Exactly this.  For some reason, people tend to ignore the most important scoreboard of all -- Deaths per Million population.  And when you do that The COVID Kings are:

 

New Jersey - 1757 Deaths/Mil

New York - 1666 Deaths/Mil

Connecticut - 1220 Deaths/Mil

Massachusetts - 1206 Deaths/Mil

Rhode Island - 921 Deaths/Mil

D.C. - 805 Deaths / Mil

Louisianna  - 736 Deaths / Mil

Michigan - 632 Deaths/Mil

 

By comparison:

Arizona - 307 Deaths/Mil

Georgia - 283 Deaths/Mil

Florida - 198 Deaths/Mil

Texas - 111 Deaths/Mil

Oklahoma - 107 Deaths/Mil

 

All these current hot-spots have a loooooooonnnnnnggggg way to go before they top Andrew Cuomo and the COVID sewers of the northeast.

 

Lets forget that NY's worst days occurred at the very beginning when no one knew what was going on, what to do or what was coming. Lets ignore their population density and two of the busiest international airports feeding infected travelers into NYC on a daily basis. Lets ignore the equipment shortages that hit in March and April. Lets ignore the fact that Texas and Florida had months more time to prepare, much more knowledge and more resources to prevent what is happening in their states now. Lets do all that so we can pretend that they didn't blow it and if that doesn't work, somehow twist "New York was worse" as an excuse for the incompetence now paying grim dividends in states which had way more opportunities than NY ever did to prevent this mess. 

 

May I suggest some summer reading for you:

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 7/12/2020 at 9:24 AM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Yeah, and unlike the federal government, the League can set forth a universal set of rules.  Of course, when it came to how we responded to the coronavirus, the federal government didn't have the power to universally mandate how States responded to the coronavirus, nor would the States have listened to Trump. But that is neither here nor there. 

 

Power, no.  But historically, when the Federal Government has issued public health guidance, it has been hugely influential - polio vaccination campaigns, for example.

The states that are currently doing best at containing the virus (NYS, knock on wood) are actually following the federal CDC guidance for reopening.  

 

The problem we’re seeing today is not lack of states “listening to Trump”, it’s a persistent mixed message from the Federal Government - on the one hand, CDC guidelines about not reopening until certain benchmarks for testing, contact tracing, declining tests, and hospital capacity are met - and “dialing it back” if things start to go in the wrong direction.  On the other hand, Trump tweets of support for “very good people who just want their lives back” protesting lockdowns and pushing for reopening, “99% harmless” (CDC data: hospitalization rate is at least 6% overall, not counting people who may have died without being tested who had COVID-like symptoms but negative RT-PCR test)

 

Like dogs, kids, or anyone really, when there’s a mixed message, people are gonna choose what they want to hear