The Frankish Reich Posted March 27 Posted March 27 2 minutes ago, Doc said: We Indian Americans don't commit crimes I'd agree that it's disproportionately low. But I've been acquainted with a number of Indian American criminals over the course of my career ...
phypon Posted March 27 Posted March 27 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Good Lord. It's an analogy. If using a stereotypical profile of "an Indian man" would be racist, then using a stereotypical profile of a "black man" is too. (And yes, I know that the turban/beard relates to Sikhs, a small minority of the overall Indian population. That's kind of my point) You just stereotypically profiled "an Indian man" as a counter to stereotypically profiling a black man and how stereotyping is bad. You still don't see the irony? Not trying to be a d-bag, just pointing it out.
The Frankish Reich Posted March 27 Posted March 27 2 minutes ago, phypon said: You just stereotypically profiled "an Indian man" as a counter to stereotypically profiling a black man and how stereotyping is bad. You still don't see the irony? Not trying to be a d-bag, just pointing it out. I suggested that a mindless racist might create such a profile of "an Indian man."
Doc Posted March 27 Posted March 27 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'd agree that it's disproportionately low. But I've been acquainted with a number of Indian American criminals over the course of my career ... "A number"? And violent crime?
LeviF Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc said: "A number"? And violent crime? He's a lolyer. He's going to have been acquainted with a number of criminals. Asians (the UCR class Indians would be in) have disproportionately low violent crime numbers but the numbers aren't 0. 2022 has (so far, not sure what % of districts have reported) 200 reported homicides with an "Asian" offender of 19,776 known homicide offenders that year. I'm not even going to bust out the census data but Asians, I assume, are more than 1.01-ish% of the population. Edited March 27 by LeviF
phypon Posted March 27 Posted March 27 7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I suggested that a mindless racist might create such a profile of "an Indian man." You didn't "suggest" anything. You actually created that profile in your response. And, the point is that you are more worried about mis-labeling the color of a murderer's skin color and are offended by that rather than being offended that an innocent, service-woman was murdered. Your comments immediately went to "are we sure of the color of his skin? That's not fair and he is now the victim". How about, "that's horrible and I hope that the murderer gets what he deserves regardless of the color of his skin". Personally, I don't care what names or labels anyone wants to put on a murderer of innocent people.
LeviF Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Checking NIBRS data it appears that several large cities, which will have the larger Asian populations, have not reported race data for crimes in 2022. Including LAPD. Still, 1% of homicides for around 7% of the population is pretty good and that gap won't close even if large agencies that have suddenly become non-compliant with race reporting in NIBRS (curious, no?) decide to report.
The Frankish Reich Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Just now, phypon said: You didn't "suggest" anything. You actually created that profile in your response. And, the point is that you are more worried about mis-labeling the color of a murderer's skin color and are offended by that rather than being offended that an innocent, service-woman was murdered. Your comments immediately went to "are we sure of the color of his skin? That's not fair and he is now the victim". How about, "that's horrible and I hope that the murderer gets what he deserves regardless of the color of his skin". Personally, I don't care what names or labels anyone wants to put on a murderer of innocent people. OK, I checked out the Twitter profile that started this. It is racist. It's whole point is to juxtapose photos of crime victims next to mugshots of their alleged black perps. I can't see any nonracist reason for doing this. I imagine the account holder thinks it's some kind of counterbalance to MSM websites hiding the identity of alleged perps. I don't agree with that, but this is no way to "balance" it. It is a racist account by design.
LeviF Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: OK, I checked out the Twitter profile that started this. It is racist. It's whole point is to juxtapose photos of crime victims next to mugshots of their alleged black perps. I can't see any nonracist reason for doing this. I imagine the account holder thinks it's some kind of counterbalance to MSM websites hiding the identity of alleged perps. I don't agree with that, but this is no way to "balance" it. It is a racist account by design. Under what definition of "racism" are we operating here? I'm really hoping for a woke more correct moment but we're not quite there yet. Keep going.
The Frankish Reich Posted March 27 Posted March 27 22 minutes ago, LeviF said: He's a lolyer. He's going to have been acquainted with a number of criminals. Asians (the UCR class Indians would be in) have disproportionately low violent crime numbers but the numbers aren't 0. 2022 has (so far, not sure what % of districts have reported) 200 reported homicides with an "Asian" offender of 19,776 known homicide offenders that year. I'm not even going to bust out the census data but Asians, I assume, are more than 1.01-ish% of the population. Thanks. I will note that "Asian" is such a huge category that it is almost meaningless. It will encompass South Asians (India/Pakistan/Bangladesh), Southeast Asians (Vietnam/Laos/Cambodia/Thailand), East Asians (China), Japanese, Koreans, etc. I will say I've personally never encountered something like an "Indian American criminal street gang," whereas I have encountered may such gangs composed of other Asians. Just my two cents. 3 minutes ago, LeviF said: Under what definition of "racism" are we operating here? I'm really hoping for a woke more correct moment but we're not quite there yet. Keep going. It seems to exist for the sole purpose of pointing out the race of the alleged perpetrator in specific crimes. Not for the purpose, say, of "correcting" MSM sites that hide the race of the alleged perps. No. Simply to focus on the idea that "lookee here, another black man committed a crime against a white person." Again: racist.
LeviF Posted March 27 Posted March 27 27 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Thanks. Would now be the time to make the requisite joke of you becoming acquainted with said criminals during your law school classes? 27 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I will note that "Asian" is such a huge category that it is almost meaningless. It will encompass South Asians (India/Pakistan/Bangladesh), Southeast Asians (Vietnam/Laos/Cambodia/Thailand), East Asians (China), Japanese, Koreans, etc. I will say I've personally never encountered something like an "Indian American criminal street gang," whereas I have encountered may such gangs composed of other Asians. Just my two cents. The largest, and most visible, Asian street gangs are Chinese and typically operate with the blessing, if not as a direct extension of, the ChiCom government. Though ABZ, which is mixed SEAsians, has been pushing into more northeast territory. From what I understand there are some small Korean and Hmong gangs on the west coast. 28 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: It seems to exist for the sole purpose of pointing out the race of the alleged perpetrator in specific crimes. Not for the purpose, say, of "correcting" MSM sites that hide the race of the alleged perps. No. Simply to focus on the idea that "lookee here, another black man committed a crime against a white person." Again: racist. The statistics on this are pretty stark and tend to surprise people because interracial violence, in general, tends to be hidden from view (except in the case where a black guy is killed by or near a white police officer). But yes, pointing out the disparities there, I've been told, is racist. Subtle woke more correct moment, I suppose. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted March 27 Posted March 27 1 minute ago, LeviF said: Would now be the time to make the requisite joke of you becoming acquainted with said criminals during your law school classes? The largest, and most visible, Asian street gangs are Chinese and typically operate with the blessing, if not as a direct extension of, the ChiCom government. Though ABZ, which is mixed SEAsians, has been pushing into more northeast territory. From what I understand there are some small Korean and Hmong gangs on the west coast. The statistics on this are pretty stark and tend to surprise people because interracial violence, in general, tends to be hidden from view (except in the case where a black guy is killed by or near a white police officer). But yes, pointing out the disparities there, I've been told, is racist. Subtle woke more correct moment, I suppose. You are not stupid. Don't pretend to misunderstand me. - Data/Statistics are not racist. If there's a website/twitter devoted to the demographics of crime, then by all means post the data. - Maintaining a website/twitter devoted to showing a victim of a crime next to the alleged perpetrator, but only when the victim is white and the perpetrator is black, is just a teensy bit racist. Not a subtle distinction. Not "woke." Just common sense.
phypon Posted March 27 Posted March 27 41 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: You are not stupid. Don't pretend to misunderstand me. - Data/Statistics are not racist. If there's a website/twitter devoted to the demographics of crime, then by all means post the data. - Maintaining a website/twitter devoted to showing a victim of a crime next to the alleged perpetrator, but only when the victim is white and the perpetrator is black, is just a teensy bit racist. Not a subtle distinction. Not "woke." Just common sense. So you went from not answering why you were offended at the accuracy of the description of a murderer rather than condemning the act of an innocent service woman being murdered to making a racist profiling of Indian persons having a beard and wearing a turban to deferring to a user's Twitter account. And yet, you're not a teensy bit racist... Hmm.... Not a subtle distinction... Do you really think that talking about some random person's twitter account is going to get you off the hook for being offended that a murderer may have been inaccurately ascribed a description as opposed to being upset that a murder of an innocent occurred? Do you think it's going to get you off the hook for racial profiling? Just seems a teensy bit racist on your part... 1
The Frankish Reich Posted March 27 Posted March 27 19 minutes ago, phypon said: So you went from not answering why you were offended at the accuracy of the description of a murderer rather than condemning the act of an innocent service woman being murdered to making a racist profiling of Indian persons having a beard and wearing a turban to deferring to a user's Twitter account. And yet, you're not a teensy bit racist... Hmm.... Not a subtle distinction... Do you really think that talking about some random person's twitter account is going to get you off the hook for being offended that a murderer may have been inaccurately ascribed a description as opposed to being upset that a murder of an innocent occurred? Do you think it's going to get you off the hook for racial profiling? Just seems a teensy bit racist on your part... So who's getting that racist Twitter feed and then reposting here? Not me.
phypon Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: So who's getting that racist Twitter feed and then reposting here? Not me. That's what you are trying to hang your hat on and deferring from the question of being offended by a description as opposed to the murder. Although, since you are a poster with the word "Reich" in your username (which is associated with NAZI's) and are trying to school other's about racism, seems a teensy bit racist. I'm offended by your username. You should change it. Again, the irony. Good luck talking about racism there Mr. Reich...
phypon Posted March 27 Posted March 27 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/what-is-happening-nyc-women-randomly-punched-face/
Tiberius Posted March 27 Posted March 27 21 minutes ago, phypon said: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/what-is-happening-nyc-women-randomly-punched-face/ Millions of people living there, I imagine this, or something like it, will happen at times. I love NYC!
phypon Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Millions of people living there, I imagine this, or something like it, will happen at times. I love NYC! Hopefully it doesn't turn into a trend and since you love the area, if you are in the area, you help prevent something like this from happening. Way to downplay crime though. i guess if you came to my neck of the woods and I punched you in the face it would be okay because...it happens... Edited March 27 by phypon
Tiberius Posted March 27 Posted March 27 2 minutes ago, phypon said: Hopefully it doesn't turn into a trend and since you love the area, if you are in the area, you help prevent something like this from happening. Way to downplay crime though. i guess if you came to my neck of the woods and I punched you in the face it would be okay because...it happens... Pretty stupid analogy of you. Really idiotic to say what you are trying to say. Whatever. You suck. That's all
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