Sherlock Holmes Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 4 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: The guy has 2 years left on his deal...has been in the league for 5 years and has had 1 good year at a position that doesn't get paid (because you can replace even the very best at it with a rookie and get good production). I'm not sure what his expectations are... You cannot replace McCaffrey...
Thurman#1 Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Sweet!!! Another “team player” who wants to leave his team. I bet the suitors are lining up. (See Clowney). The "team players" who want to leave their team when not offered enough money ... that's every NFL player. I suppose there are a few exceptions, particularly guys going on to third contracts who've already made a ton and a half. Everyone else, though, they all want money, which is only reasonable. Edited July 10, 2020 by Thurman#1
Thurman#1 Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 6 hours ago, NoSaint said: he’s the 24th highest paid rb in the league maybe not great but not league minimum or anything either I don't blame him, myself. You're right that he's doing better than he could be. But the guy is 28 years old. By the time this contract runs out, his next contract will start at age 30, and he is unlikely to get much in a contract at that age. If he was younger you could say, "hey, just wait, the money will come," but in his case if he doesn't make it now, he may well never make big money. 2
Thurman#1 Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Running back means nothing in a shanahan system. Guy better be careful playing hardball. Kyle will pluck a UDFA and rush him for 800 yards. I'm sure they're keeping this option open, as a stick in the negotiations. But if you pick a UDFA you might well run him for 800 yards, if you give him enough carries. But you're not gonna get 5.6 YPC out of him the way you did with Mostert. Tevin Coleman managed 4.1 YPC last year behind the same OL.
NoSaint Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: I don't blame him, myself. You're right that he's doing better than he could be. But the guy is 28 years old. By the time this contract runs out, his next contract will start at age 30, and he is unlikely to get much in a contract at that age. If he was younger you could say, "hey, just wait, the money will come," but in his case if he doesn't make it now, he may well never make big money. No shame in it but think he will be hard pressed to see a major jump from the 2 year 6m he has left. Maybe gets it’s up to 8-9m? was just saying the gap between his existing pay and deserved pay is probably much smaller than “special teams contract” vs “starting running back” would imply for most fans. He’s already paid like a slightly below average rate starter.
machine gun kelly Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 Given he’s more than a ST player, I can understand his argument. I normally tire of players always demanding more $, but he is in a tough spot. He won’t be worth much at 30 so a couple $ more should be worth it to them. With their top 51, they have just under $12 mil. In space. A little lean in a year like this one. It is hard for me to feel bad for some of these players wanting bigger contracts like another on their team in Kittle, when I know so many people who are professionals and have been laid off for months.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: You cannot replace McCaffrey... Based upon football skills, or are you using 'alternate criteria' for your assessment? ?
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Nelius said: I think they should and I kind of don't understand San Fran's take on this to be honest, especially considering they traded Breida as well. Are they really going to try and trust McKinnon again? The guy hasn't played since 2017, which is kind of ridiculous. I think it’s why mostert is playing hardball. San Fran doesn’t have much else after the Breida trade.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) Had a 5.6 ypc average and 10 total TDs. More importantly, when like no one else was available at the position - he put up 220 and 4TDs against GB. I personally wouldn't extend him until after the season. He wants to sit that's on him, but at the same time- he could be a late Bloomer a la Fred Jackson. You don't want to miss out on a guy that can help u win. Speaking of Fred, I watched the EJ Manuel drive last night and he basically checked down that entire drive and Fred and Stevie willed it down the field. Got a nice timely PI call as well. Edited July 10, 2020 by dneveu
Putin Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Billl said: He was signed as a special teams player, and he’s now their feature back. He basically got a huge promotion but is paid substantially less than his backups. In all fairness they should pay him at least what an average RB makes , we know RB’s shelf life is not very long and he’s been in the league for more then 5 years , he’s got maybe few good years left if he doesn’t make his money now he sure as hell won’t when he’s 30 1
NoSaint Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Putin said: In all fairness they should pay him at least what an average RB makes , we know RB’s shelf life is not very long and he’s been in the league for more then 5 years , he’s got maybe few good years left if he doesn’t make his money now he sure as hell won’t when he’s 30 the number 16 contract is tevin Coleman, averaging 4.2m his remaining deal averages about 3m id guess they’d give him a few incentives to make up the gap but would also guess he’s not demanding a trade unless he wants more. 1
MJS Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 12 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Sweet!!! Another “team player” who wants to leave his team. I bet the suitors are lining up. (See Clowney). But this dude gets paid nothing. He does deserve to get paid more for the year he had. 1
Malazan Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: You cannot replace McCaffrey... Thanks for proving my point in finding the exception to prove the rule.
Big Gun Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 He's probably getting more than he should as it is, and he wants more. Raheem Mostert Running Back Contract History Statistics Valuation Age: 28 Free Agency: 2022 (UFA) Accrued Seasons: 4 Height: 5-11 Weight: 190 College: Purdue Entry: 2015 Undrafted Free Agent (Eagles) 2020 Salary Cap Charge: $3,158,333 (1.53% of cap) 2020 Cash Payout: $2,875,000 (1.26% of spending) 2020 Cash to Cap Ratio: 0.91 Contract Value: $8,700,000 ($2,900,000 APY) Fully Guaranteed Money: $2,400,000 Contract Ranking: 24/192 at RB 2019 OTC Valuation: $3,345,000 Current Contract (RFA, signed 2019) (?: indicates contract trigger occuring during that year) Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Per Game Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Total $6,850,000 $1,000,000 $700,000 $150,000 $1,400,000 $8,650,000 2019 27 $1,400,000 $333,333 $200,000 $50,000 $1,400,000 $1,983,333 0.9% 2020 28 $2,575,000 $333,333 $250,000 $50,000 $0 $3,158,333 1.5% $666,667 $2,491,666 2021 29 $2,875,000 $333,334 $250,000 $50,000 $0 $3,508,334 1.6% $333,334 $3,175,000 Contract Notes Raheem Mostert signed a 3 year contract with the San Francisco 49ers on March 19, 2019. The contract is worth $8,650,000 with $2.4 million guaranteed at signing and $3 million total guarantee. The guarantee is a $1.4 million salary guarantee in 2019 and $1 million signing bonus. Mostert has $600,000 in injury guarantee for 2020 salary. Mostert can earn up to $200,000 ($12,500 per game active) roster bonus pay in 2019, up to $250,000 ($17,857 per game active) in 2020, and $250,000 ($15,625 per game active) in 2021. Mostert can a $50,000 workout bonus in each year of the contract.
Sherlock Holmes Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Based upon football skills, or are you using 'alternate criteria' for your assessment? ? 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: Thanks for proving my point in finding the exception to prove the rule. Well, if you want to know the truth....?️♂️ It's not solely based on only his football skills... It's also based on how damn sexy he is...?
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Well, if you want to know the truth....?️♂️ It's not solely based on only his football skills... It's also based on how damn sexy he is...? Based upon your previous postings, I figured it would have something to do with tight football pants. ?
Mr. WEO Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 12 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: The guy has been on 6 teams in 6 years and only just this pst year started getting some carries. He also just last year signed a 3-year deal. maybe San Fran can throw a little more money at him, but I suspect he’s not as valuable as he thinks. yeah, this guy's a bum who hit it for part of one season now he wants to cash in. He is the definition of dime a dozen NFL RB. SF should give him no extra money. He has zero leverage. 1
keepthefaith Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: yeah, this guy's a bum who hit it for part of one season now he wants to cash in. He is the definition of dime a dozen NFL RB. SF should give him no extra money. He has zero leverage. I wouldn't call him a bum or a dime a dozen RB. He had some injury issues earlier in his career. He has elite speed, one of the fastest backs in the league. Rare speed. He's not a great between the tackles guy. SF more than other teams figured out how to utilize his strengths (speed in space) and he stayed healthy in 2019. He's getting paid almost $3 mil a year which might not be what he thinks he's worth after 2019, but he probably didn't have a lot of suitors when he signed with SF. With 2 years left he'll have a stronger case if he has another good year and SF wants to extend him. Edited July 10, 2020 by keepthefaith
berg1029 Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 The guy is old for a RB with no major contracts to speak of. He outperformed his current contract by a lot.. I can't really blame him for trying to strike while the iron is hot, may be his only opportunity. 1
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 10, 2020 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Billl said: He was signed as a special teams player, and he’s now their feature back. He basically got a huge promotion but is paid substantially less than his backups. This. 1 hour ago, Big Gun said: He's probably getting more than he should as it is, and he wants more. Raheem Mostert Running Back Contract History Statistics Valuation Age: 28 Free Agency: 2022 (UFA) Accrued Seasons: 4 Height: 5-11 Weight: 190 College: Purdue Entry: 2015 Undrafted Free Agent (Eagles) 2020 Salary Cap Charge: $3,158,333 (1.53% of cap) 2020 Cash Payout: $2,875,000 (1.26% of spending) 2020 Cash to Cap Ratio: 0.91 Contract Value: $8,700,000 ($2,900,000 APY) Fully Guaranteed Money: $2,400,000 Contract Ranking: 24/192 at RB 2019 OTC Valuation: $3,345,000 Current Contract (RFA, signed 2019) (?: indicates contract trigger occuring during that year) Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Per Game Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Total $6,850,000 $1,000,000 $700,000 $150,000 $1,400,000 $8,650,000 2019 27 $1,400,000 $333,333 $200,000 $50,000 $1,400,000 $1,983,333 0.9% 2020 28 $2,575,000 $333,333 $250,000 $50,000 $0 $3,158,333 1.5% $666,667 $2,491,666 2021 29 $2,875,000 $333,334 $250,000 $50,000 $0 $3,508,334 1.6% $333,334 $3,175,000 Contract Notes Raheem Mostert signed a 3 year contract with the San Francisco 49ers on March 19, 2019. The contract is worth $8,650,000 with $2.4 million guaranteed at signing and $3 million total guarantee. The guarantee is a $1.4 million salary guarantee in 2019 and $1 million signing bonus. Mostert has $600,000 in injury guarantee for 2020 salary. Mostert can earn up to $200,000 ($12,500 per game active) roster bonus pay in 2019, up to $250,000 ($17,857 per game active) in 2020, and $250,000 ($15,625 per game active) in 2021. Mostert can a $50,000 workout bonus in each year of the contract. OK, maybe I don't take back my earlier "This" comment as it is not like he is getting the league minimum. However, still, you have to do right by a guy. Give him a reasonable bump, even if just one time. Edited July 10, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts 1
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