Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 Since there's no extension the "more picks" won't be what they probably could've received beforehand. I like the player - 14 FF in 4 seasons is really good. His 4 last season would've lead the team. The only ? i have is - you sign addison and jefferson. Then draft epenesa. Now you're bringing in a 4th new DE in the same offseason while still having hughes? Is the need there? 1
whatdrought Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, dneveu said: Since there's no extension the "more picks" won't be what they probably could've received beforehand. I like the player - 14 FF in 4 seasons is really good. His 4 last season would've lead the team. The only ? i have is - you sign addison and jefferson. Then draft epenesa. Now you're bringing in a 4th new DE in the same offseason while still having hughes? Is the need there? Im a personal believer in the idea that you can't have too many pass rushers to throw at offenses. I think we've seen several teams win Superbowls in the last 20 years under that philosophy. That being said, I don't know if he's of more value now than say a young, price controlled pass rusher in the second round next year would be.
HappyDays Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 Imagine spending months complaining about the Jaguars only to get traded to Adam Gase. 1 16
ngbills Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, dneveu said: Since there's no extension the "more picks" won't be what they probably could've received beforehand. I like the player - 14 FF in 4 seasons is really good. His 4 last season would've lead the team. The only ? i have is - you sign addison and jefferson. Then draft epenesa. Now you're bringing in a 4th new DE in the same offseason while still having hughes? Is the need there? Murphy is gone after this year. If you get the guy you can then let go of Hughes or Addison as well and both would not be a huge amount of dead cap. Jefferson could be gone as well. I think its a no brainer if you can get him for a 2nd. How can you justify Diggs for a 1st and not this guy for a 2nd. Bigger need is only logic, but I would say our pass rush is a huge need.
SCBills Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Imagine spending months complaining about the Jaguars only to get traded to Adam Gase. Wouldn’t mind the Jets making this move.. Ngakoue is a nice player, but not elite. Certainly not a player I want to trade a pick & overpay for. Edited August 19, 2020 by SCBills 2
Bleedingreennc Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 I will take any pass rushers at this point.
DCofNC Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 Reality, the bills don’t have any pass rushers of his caliber. Hughes was close in his prime and not that he’s bad, but he’s not what he was. I’d give up next years first for him right now, the draft is going to be a ***** show anyway. Take the sure thing.
BillsMafi$ Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 Yannick Ngakoue and Mario Addison both have 29.5 sacks in the last three years. just saying. (and yea I know there’s a big age difference) gimmie 3 years of Mario at his salary then yannick and what we would have to trade for him and his salary 1
whatdrought Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Imagine spending months complaining about the Jaguars only to get traded to Adam Gase. Much akin to Leveon bell complaining about being on a good team and then signing for less money with the Jets... Stupid is as stupid does. 1
Rc2catch Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 I’d trade a 2 for him, let him play on his tag and let him walk if he’s not over 10+ sacks. I would not pay that guy given his attitude and twitter account before he produced on my team and proved himself a team first player
dje85 Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, DCofNC said: Reality, the bills don’t have any pass rushers of his caliber. Hughes was close in his prime and not that he’s bad, but he’s not what he was. I’d give up next years first for him right now, the draft is going to be a ***** show anyway. Take the sure thing. We signed Mario Addison this off season. He is a great pass rusher and we don;t need Ngakou. But with thtat said I wouldn't give more than a second for Ngakou with the contract he is going to demand. I doubt any other NFL team trades more than a second rounder either.
Just Joshin' Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I’d trade a 2 for him, let him play on his tag and let him walk if he’s not over 10+ sacks. I would not pay that guy given his attitude and twitter account before he produced on my team and proved himself a team first player A 2nd for a 1 year rental is high. Since you can not sign him to a new contract, you may need to let him go or sign him to a second, expensive tag next year. Seems like high risk, moderate reward.
BruceVilanch Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: No way... Mario is 34 and showed red flags of decline last season. He increased his sack total last year from 2018 and had one less tackle. What red flags are you talking about? He has had at least 9 sacks since 2016, I see consistency. Also, he is 32, not 34. Edited August 19, 2020 by BruceVilanch 1 1
machine gun kelly Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 Ngakoue is a thorn, and wants $20 mil. He is absolutely not worth it. Besides the $, and oh by the way we know the cap will crash to $175 mil. as it’s inevitable from an expectations before this pandemic of contracts, and think $210 mil., that we purged these nuts contracts. Even Diggs, was a steal, not in terms of draft picks, but most guys like him are making $16-18 mil. Even with his converted $, it was not more $, just mov3 forward which was smart. This administration is making very shrewd decisions, and not fantasy football stuff. We need draft picks at a premium As it’s cheap labor in a tough year and foolish to give them away and spend a ton. That’s what put us in the 17 year drought. 2 1
Rubes Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said: He increased his sack total last year from 2018 and had one less tackle. What red flags are you talking about? He has had at least 9 sacks since 2016, I see consistency. Also, he is 32, not 34. Other than that, he makes a good point. ? 1
Inigo Montoya Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) There is no way Beane signs Ngakoue without having an agreement already in place for an extension. He isn't Bill O'Brien. I would love to add a DE like Ngakoue if they can get the numbers right. If you cut Murphy or trade him you clear a lot of cap space that can go towards Ngakoue's contract. Addison is 32 and obviously isn't the long term answer here. This Bills roster is on the cusp of being a legit Super Bowl contender. An elite DE may be the final piece of the puzzle. This is why you manage your cap wisely so that when an opportunity like this comes up you have the means to take advantage of it. This move might be the one that puts this team over the top. I'm all for it if Beane can make it happen. Edited August 19, 2020 by Inigo Montoya 1
GETTOTHE50 Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 The jets can have him. That team is like the 2000s-2010s Bills teams. Patch work oline, no receiver talent, terrible HC, but with a marginally better QB (jury’s still out here) and a worse defense. that organization is going to go through a bills-like playoff drought.
Doc Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 Why would the Jets even bother? They're years away from contending. 1
MiltonWaddams Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Why would the Jets even bother? They're years away from contending. That statement would indicate that you even see a future glimpse of contention. I do not and thus appreciate them making poor current investments so as to keep any glimmer of hope they may have at bay.
Doc Posted August 19, 2020 Posted August 19, 2020 1 minute ago, MiltonWaddams said: That statement would indicate that you even see a future glimpse of contention. I do not and thus appreciate them making poor current investments so as to keep any glimmer of hope they may have at bay. Decades are still "years away." 1
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