teef Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, FarrellsFinest said: What does Semeitic mean? I wonder if you guys actually know? well, some of us know how to spell it. 4 2 2
LB3 Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, stuvian said: that should give the white guilt industry a well deserved day off 1
dorquemada Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, whatdrought said: There’s a big push in academia to re-write the history of who built the pyramids and remove the Jewish slave portion of their history. Came up in a PPP discussion briefly, and I won’t get into it, but my favorite discovery in reading up on it was History.com writing an article about how it’s now believed Jewish slaves weren’t the builders of the pyramids, quoting an ancient historian for a random fact about the pyramids, and ignoring that said historian specifically said that they were built by Jewish slaves. not to digress, but that’s where academia is at when it comes to “re-writing” narratives. I'll join this for a moment then promise to drop it but the reason I opened my big mouth in the African Geography class way back when was mostly this reason, and that the professor (a Man of Color) allowed a black student to fly way off the handle claiming there is hard evidence that Black people not only built the Pyramids, but had the power of flight. Not, you know, invented airplanes, no, they could fly like superman around the pyramids and white people stole that from them. The net is that most people will believe anything they hear, all the more so if it's something they want to believe. The professor didn't do anyone any favors by allowing that to go on. For what it's worth in the same class, another student asked where in African they drilled for Palm Oil ps dont send your kids to SUNY Albany Edited July 9, 2020 by dorquemada 1
KD in CA Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I'm Asian and I don't consider the term "oriental" prejudiced at all. Please stop trying to paint us with a broad brush. Just hang on while we fetch a rich, white American to explain why you're wrong and should be deeply offended. 48 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Nobody tell Kaep, but North Africans in general, and Egyptians in particular, are not Black, but rather more similar in genetic makeup to near easterners, Anatolians, and early people of SE Europe. Desean Jackson would be horrified to learn that the slaves that built the Pyramids were Hebrews of Semitic descent. I got shouted down in an African Geography class (SUNY Albany, 1990!) for bringing this inconvenient information to the table. Fun fact, tell a modern Egyptian that they are black and you're going to get an earful. Or better yet, don't. Liberal American sensibilities aren't shared by most of the rest of the world Or just look at you as though you said they were Martians. Egyptians identify heavily with the combination of their nationality and their religion (Copts vs Muslims), and not at all with their continent. Edited July 9, 2020 by KD in CA
DrDawkinstein Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, whatdrought said: There’s a big push in academia to re-write the history of who built the pyramids and remove the Jewish slave portion of their history. Came up in a PPP discussion briefly, and I won’t get into it, but my favorite discovery in reading up on it was History.com writing an article about how it’s now believed Jewish slaves weren’t the builders of the pyramids, quoting an ancient historian for a random fact about the pyramids, and ignoring that said historian specifically said that they were built by Jewish slaves. not to digress, but that’s where academia is at when it comes to “re-writing” narratives. Ive seen this too, and frankly not sure what to believe. It's not like the Old Testament is the most accurate historical record of anything. But I can see that there would be ulterior motives in pushing this re-write. And are we really splitting hairs between terms like "bonded laborers" and "chattel slaves".
GoBills808 Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, whatdrought said: There’s a big push in academia to re-write the history of who built the pyramids and remove the Jewish slave portion of their history. Came up in a PPP discussion briefly, and I won’t get into it, but my favorite discovery in reading up on it was History.com writing an article about how it’s now believed Jewish slaves weren’t the builders of the pyramids, quoting an ancient historian for a random fact about the pyramids, and ignoring that said historian specifically said that they were built by Jewish slaves. not to digress, but that’s where academia is at when it comes to “re-writing” narratives. Can you explain how 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids carbon-dated back to 2670 BC and completed in 1750 BC when they didn't arrive in Egypt until 1200 BC at the earliest?
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Nobody tell Kaep, but North Africans in general, and Egyptians in particular, are not Black, but rather more similar in genetic makeup to near easterners, Anatolians, and early people of SE Europe. Desean Jackson would be horrified to learn that the slaves that built the Pyramids were Hebrews of Semitic descent. I got shouted down in an African Geography class (SUNY Albany, 1990!) for bringing this inconvenient information to the table. Fun fact, tell a modern Egyptian that they are black and you're going to get an earful. Or better yet, don't. Liberal American sensibilities aren't shared by most of the rest of the world I vaguely remember Goodwin saying something to the effect that seeing "black" peoples thriving on their own, and seeing what they could build, gave him great inspiration. I genuinely appreciate all the ironies of his statement, which you point out here. 28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The good news is that outfits like USA Today, Reuters, CSPAN and others typically provide full transcripts for review, so it’s not difficult (time consuming though it may be) to draw one’s own conclusions. What I hate is that Trump says so many terrible things. So why exaggerate or misrepresent? Hold the moral high ground. Don't get in the dirt. This is a hot take, but I think we need a reliable media more than we need a good president for four years.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Can you explain how 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids carbon-dated back to 2670 BC and completed in 1750 BC when they didn't arrive in Egypt until 1200 BC at the earliest? It's a little more complicated than that. There is evidence that Caananite slaves built the pyramids (during the period you reference). Caanaties are semites. They just weren't described as Hebrew until much later on. That may mean they weren't Hebrews, or it may mean they were referred to by a different name. Either way, same ethnic people.
whatdrought Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Ive seen this too, and frankly not sure what to believe. It's not like the Old Testament is the most accurate historical record of anything. But I can see that there would be ulterior motives in pushing this re-write. And are we really splitting hairs between terms like "bonded laborers" and "chattel slaves". I’m fine with people not taking the OT as gospel (excuse my pun) but it seems to me (and I may be wrong) it was universally accepted until a few years ago and all ancient histories point to Jewish slaves in Egypt? 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Can you explain how 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids carbon-dated back to 2670 BC and completed in 1750 BC when they didn't arrive in Egypt until 1200 BC at the earliest? Can you explain how every ancient history is wrong while carbon dating (which is a science full of assumptions) is right? When we change history, the litmus of proof is on the new view. Maybe I’m crazy, but carbon dating doesn’t do it for me. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: What I hate is that Trump says so many terrible things. So why exaggerate or misrepresent? Hold the moral high ground. Don't get in the dirt. This is a hot take, but I think we need a reliable media more than we need a good president for four years. It may not be 100% accurate, but it's not that much of an exaggeration or misrepresentation in this case though. Sure, he specifically condemned the "neo-Nazis", but the fine people he was referring to were the ones protesting against the removal of the Robert E Lee statue, and there was a lot of cross over there. Plus, if someone is that in love with the Confederacy, I question how fine they truly are. And yeah, that's a hot take. Any functioning adult who wont sell out our troops, at this point.
DrDawkinstein Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: I’m fine with people not taking the OT as gospel (excuse my pun) but it seems to me (and I may be wrong) it was universally accepted until a few years ago and all ancient histories point to Jewish slaves in Egypt? Right, right. And trying to look up facts, evidence, reasoning behind the thinking they were workers and not slaves only really returns one article from 10 years ago. And even that is flimsy evidence. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/ But again, the Bible and a Charlton Heston movie arent great sources either. And a lot of things from the OT have been "universally accepted" until proven wrong. Who knows. 21 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: Larry Johnson's twitter is absolute ? don't @ me Bruh, you aint kidding. I mentioned it in the previous pages but removed the link so as not to give him exposure of any kind. It is madness.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: It may not be 100% accurate, but it's not that much of an exaggeration or misrepresentation in this case though. Sure, he specifically condemned the "neo-Nazis", but the fine people he was referring to were the ones protesting against the removal of the Robert E Lee statue, and there was a lot of cross over there. Plus, if someone is that in love with the Confederacy, I question how fine they truly are. And yeah, that's a hot take. Any functioning adult who wont sell out our troops, at this point. All presidents send our troops into harms way; ironically, Trump less than the others. The difference is you need a functioning media that the general public trusts to stand up as opposition when the president is clearly in the wrong. As to Charlottesville, I take exception that characterization that the most radical elements of any group define the group as a whole. Would you say the same about antifa and BLM? And, while I appreciate a large segment of the population thinks that you cannot support a Confederate monument without being racist, there still exists another segment that disagrees. To them, it is about something else all together. Symbols are tricky like that - they can mean different things to different people. And it can mean that they aren't neo-nazis. 2
LeviF Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Right, right. And trying to look up facts, evidence, reasoning behind the thinking they were workers and not slaves only really returns one article from 10 years ago. And even that is flimsy evidence. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/ But again, the Bible and a Charlton Heston movie arent great sources either. And a lot of things from the OT have been "universally accepted" until proven wrong. Who knows. Bruh, you aint kidding. I mentioned it in the previous pages but removed the link so as not to give him exposure of any kind. It is madness. For the record, the OT does not claim that Jews built the pyramids. And yeah LJ27 has some hot takes and some really *****in spicy stuff on that account. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: All presidents send our troops into harms way; ironically, Trump less than the others. The difference is you need a functioning media that the general public trusts to stand up as opposition when the president is clearly in the wrong. As to Charlottesville, I take exception that characterization that the most radical elements of any group define the group as a whole. Would you say the same about antifa and BLM? And, while I appreciate a large segment of the population thinks that you cannot support a Confederate monument without being racist, there still exists another segment that disagrees. To them, it is about something else all together. Symbols are tricky like that - they can mean different things to different people. And it can mean that they aren't neo-nazis. You cant support a Confederate monument without being racist or at least un-American. Full stop. If it's about something else, find another symbol. But what else could it be about?
dorquemada Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Right, right. And trying to look up facts, evidence, reasoning behind the thinking they were workers and not slaves only really returns one article from 10 years ago. And even that is flimsy evidence. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/ But again, the Bible and a Charlton Heston movie arent great sources either. And a lot of things from the OT have been "universally accepted" until proven wrong. Who knows. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If someone wants to prove that ancient sub-saharan Africans built the pyramids, they better find something other than unhinged college newspaper editorials to prove it.
GoBills808 Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: Can you explain how every ancient history is wrong while carbon dating (which is a science full of assumptions) is right? When we change history, the litmus of proof is on the new view. Maybe I’m crazy, but carbon dating doesn’t do it for me. There is zero archeological evidence to suggest 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: You cant support a Confederate monument without being racist or at least un-American. Full stop. If it's about something else, find another symbol. But what else could it be about? I am super persuaded by the argument that it is un-American. That said, for supporters of the Confederate monuments (I know this because my Mom's side is southern), the monuments represent Southern Pride and Honor. Much the same way Vermont, Texas, and California have these deeply independent traditions. For them, it isn't about being un-American, but projecting their strength against outside influence. It became important to them decades after the civil war, when the south began to flounder as they lost their status under federal oversight and due to the industrial age. Their resistance was what they had. Today, we understand that the Confederate monuments are inseparable from slavery. But, for them, in their consciousness, they are separate and distinct issues. In other words, in their mind, they can oppose slavery but still idolize the bravery of their ancestors. Lastly, don't be so cavalier about "finding another symbol." I think you know it isn't that simple. 1
whatdrought Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: There is zero archeological evidence to suggest 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids. Sweet. Now do historical record. I don’t want us to go too far down this rabbit hole in this thread, so I’ll leave it at this: if you find the absence of archaeological evidence enough to counter thousands of years of historical record (biblical and not) that’s fine. Help yourself.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: There is zero archeological evidence to suggest 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids. Wait, did you just blow off the explanation of why that is not true.
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