Saxum Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, iinii said: This will muddy the waters. https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-votes-to-play-no-preseason-games-ahead-of-2020-season If they could they would vote this every year so why is this important? They would also vote for all to be paid for 2020 season and not play at all if they could. 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Yes but again the players would need to agree to that. Would be somewhat surprised to see them agree if a state is so bad they shut down sports to agree to leave, unless the league also agrees to move the players entire family with them. But then you're kind of giving up the "Bubble" atmosphere. Would be interesting to see how the payers would react to that, would they be willing to give up a years pay or agree to play elsewhere. Likely they'd vote no, and force the NFL to give them something back to play. Kind of like what may happen here with the pre-season games. Did Bills players have to vote to play when game moved to Detroit? No. 1
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: If they could they would vote this every year so why is this important? They would also vote for all to be paid for 2020 season and not play at all if they could. Did Bills players have to vote to play when game moved to Detroit? No. You want to move the game to another state sure, but the post I was quoting stated move practices too which implies the players are saying bye bye to their families for 4 months. That's not happening without the players agreeing to it which likely results in them getting something in return. The NBA didn't just decide on their own to play all their games in Orlando, they players agreed to it. And to your first part, yes the players and owners can vote on many things, but as soon as it affects anything that the CBA dictates, you need player approval. Does the owners reducing from 4 games to 2 games require CBA approval, I have no idea, but am reasonably certain with all the other changes either already being discussed or future changes that are made, something (if not many items) will require player approval and they can easily hold the 2 game pre season as "hostage" and say no to something else. I'm certain rosters can't be reduced without CBA approval, but can they be expanded without approval, no idea, but if I were to bet, I'd take the approval required side of things.
Seasons1992 Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Clemson may have the right idea, 37 of their players are already positive. Get it now and be ready for September. Lack of caring does not constitude a "right idea." 1
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 36 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Did Bills players have to vote to play when game moved to Detroit? No. Oh and BTW, just read this: The schedule also remains in flux as the number of preseason games is expected to be cut from four to two, pending an agreement with the players association. Sort of sounds like they do need approval! 2
Saxum Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 A number of "agreements" are just so they do not have whining and holdouts with knowing that whatever the players do not get they will go to court for.
iinii Posted July 4, 2020 Author Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: If they could they would vote this every year so why is this important? They would also vote for all to be paid for 2020 season and not play at all if they could. Did Bills players have to vote to play when game moved to Detroit? No. Don’t hate the messenger. As I said this could muddy the waters. Seems to me no preseason could make the season last longer if it even gets that far. Sorry you don’t like the news but I highly doubt there is anything you can do to affect the situation. Popcorn, anyone? Edited July 4, 2020 by iinii
Saxum Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, iinii said: Don’t hate the messenger. As I said this could muddy the waters. Seems to me no preseason could make the season last longer if it even gets that far. Sorry you don’t like the news but I highly doubt there is anything you can do to affect the situation. Popcorn, anyone? If the messenger is mouthpiece for NFLPA I do. They defend players against fines who deliberately hurt other players.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: A number of "agreements" are just so they do not have whining and holdouts with knowing that whatever the players do not get they will go to court for. Exactly and the players would win in court, so to avoid that, they need/get their agreement upfront. And if they don't agree, they work something out.
K-9 Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 4 hours ago, FireChans said: Testing positive does not mean getting sick. Also, it is each players’ individual choice to make the risk to play or not. Does testing positive mean you have the potential to spread the virus to someone who may get sick? In turn, does that person you spread it to also have the potential to infect others who may get sick? And so on? 2
par73 Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 There has been talk about moving college football to the spring. With the numbers in so many states looking so bad of late, I find it hard to see how the NFL will go off as scheduled. 1
iinii Posted July 4, 2020 Author Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: If the messenger is mouthpiece for NFLPA I do. They defend players against fines who deliberately hurt other players. Maybe you could tweet something that will change their mind. ????
PetermansRedemption Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 Another angle to this is, how bad will the officiating be? How often do we complain about the officiating? And that is when the officials have an entire training camp and preseason to get back to speed. How bad are the calls going to be with absolutely no practice. 44 minutes ago, par73 said: There has been talk about moving college football to the spring. With the numbers in so many states looking so bad of late, I find it hard to see how the NFL will go off as scheduled. If they move it to the spring I would expect the season to just be cancelled. From what I’ve seen we are looking at a vaccine by the end of this year, optimistically. Even then, it still needs to be mass produced. I doubt it can be mass produced on a scale that large before winter of 2021.
Rc2catch Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 This is going to be a mess regardless. The selfishness in me wants them to play, the realist is saying they will never finish the season. I think they’re going to do any and everything in their power to start the season but I can’t see any actual way they can finish it. Crazy times we are living in. 1
FireChans Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Does testing positive mean you have the potential to spread the virus to someone who may get sick? In turn, does that person you spread it to also have the potential to infect others who may get sick? And so on? Yeah. If I tested positive, I wouldn’t go near someone who could get sick. Or anyone really. If I was someone with multiple medical comorbidities, I wouldn’t go near people who test positive. Or folks who may be asymptomatic carriers. Feel like these are what all of the guidelines recommend. Edited July 4, 2020 by FireChans 2
Saxum Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, iinii said: Maybe you could tweet something that will change their mind. ???? Maybe I could but I do not use twitter since I am not a twit.
K-9 Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 46 minutes ago, FireChans said: Yeah. If I tested positive, I wouldn’t go near someone who could get sick. Or anyone really. If I was someone with multiple medical comorbidities, I wouldn’t go near people who test positive. Or folks who may be asymptomatic carriers. Feel like these are what all of the guidelines recommend. The asymptomatic spread of this virus is the most insidious aspect of it. It’s a rarity in that regard. And that’s precisely why we can’t get complacent with it.
BullBuchanan Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: It's because the NFL knows that players will get Covid-19 during the preseason. If a starting QB gets it he will be out a month, this is going to be a total ***** show. No preseason, limited practices, Injuries/illness and the anthem protests, yes this will be a total ***** show. It's all fun and games until your star RB gets COPD, your QBs kidneys fail and your MLB has a stroke at 21. 1
Mr. WEO Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, MJS said: The Bills are one. together as a team? No 7 hours ago, MJS said: Edited July 4, 2020 by Mr. WEO
Rubes Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 Not trying to be a downer, but the pandemic is going to get a whole lot worse in this country before it starts to get better. I can't imagine there will be football this year. 1
BullBuchanan Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 It'll be interesting to see how many week 1 ACL tears we get if there's no pre-season to prepare for and everyone just goes 0-100% in the first game.
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