TBBills Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Warcodered said: This is awesome, remember when people made fun of the Covid hotline... this is exactly like it.
TBBills Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 How many presidents fire 4 SoD in 2 years? Trump does not like anyone who he cannot corrupt. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, section122 said: To the bolded: I'm always amazed at how both sides do the same thing and then each demographic falls for it. Dems went russian hoax and were proven to be wrong and now here comes republicans pushing voter fraud and repubs think it is so widespread it will close a 200k gap. I am all for a review of this. I just don't think anything will come of it. In the meantime Trump could be handling himself with grace (I know that isn't his style) and say something like "the results aren't in my favor but after a review I think some things will come to light to change that". Instead he is going full on petulant child and it is just proving many people's worst thoughts about him true. It is also getting a lot of people to turn against him. I watched fox news through the election because they had the best coverage. Aside from one guy, the rest pushed for him to accept the results even if he wants to continue to challenge them. I hope it does go to the SC. I hope definitively it is proven that the election was done completely fairly. I will accept if they overturn the results as small of a possibility as that is. I also hope though, that the people who are screaming about election fraud with absolutely no proof will accept the SC ruling. Besides the SC has 3 judges from Trump directly shouldn't the right feel very confident that at least the process will be completed fairly? This Is a valid and perfectly rational response in a normal election cycle. I would be standing besise you if most of what occurred had not. Trump = petulant child. Sure, if the opposition had a modicum of decency in the fight, Trump would be an outlier. What I saw was the normalization of destruction of people, starting with the accepted narrative that DJT was a racist-assaulted etc etc. It was said and published as fact, though DJT rubbed shoulders with these people for decades, he ran his Beauty Pagent show, The Apprentice and chummed around with Washington royalty. If Trump were Romney (the most glaring Cuckhold in American politics), he hedges, he calculates, he ruminates and stews all the way back home to Utah. The thing is, Trump ain’t Romney, in fact, he’s a lot like Biden when Biden was 100% Biden—he swings back hard and punches until he’s down or you’re down. Put another way, when someone calls you the horrible things that the Dems did, and they expose you and your family to the dangers associated with being branded a traitor, you fight or die. AS for the SC, the three on the court don’t swing me one way or the other. At some point, you have to be pragmatic. Assuming there was substantial fraud, will a jurist like ACB expose families and businesses across the spectrum to the mobs we’ve seen this summer? Would she expose her family? Or, do they collectively take the easy road and just give it to em, betting the rage and hostility from those on the right will be the better alternative? Whatever the outcome, it is what it is and I’ll acknowledge it: I had no issue with the politicization of Trump as a womanizer, tax cheat, whatever. Treason though, that was my line. You gotta knock him out if that’s your angle. Chuck Schumer infamously said that the intelligence community will find “six ways to Sunday to get you.”. Can you find me a mainstream article or top Dem politician calling on him to walk that back? Note, not that they will get you legally and lawfully, just that they’ll get you one way or the other. Ominous but no one on the other side thought twice about it. I think they found the way. As for going forward, the personal destruction angle is all that is left. That’s the game, and while it bothers me to feel this way, it seemed to work quite well for the Dems in 2020. If Trump loses as is likely to occur—-honestly in the media it’s like there is no ongoing battle at all—-i hope he’s an effective ambassador to punch at Biden for the next 4 years. Speak loudly and often of energy independence, relationships in the Middle East etc. Criticize everything and portray the sell out of the American people in real time.
Warcodered Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: No he's moved the goal posts from saying Trump won't leave to won't concede. That's like the Bills taking off their cleats and putting on skates because they're now wanting to play hockey. So your metaphor wasn't even close. So you think Trump will leave then?
TBBills Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: So you think Trump will leave then? He kind of has to... None of the republicans want him to stay.
Q-baby! Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 42 minutes ago, TBBills said: This is awesome, remember when people made fun of the Covid hotline... this is exactly like it. OMG I am putting that number on speed dial!!! 😂😂😂😂
Kemp Posted November 10, 2020 Author Posted November 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: If Trump loses and refuses to leave You sure have a funny way of spelling concede. So where are you moving the goalposts to next? He has already refused to admit defeat. The original point wasn't that the Army would have to intercede by bombing the White House. It was that he would refuse to accept the verdict of the voters. He hasn't. Everyone in Congress knows he an idiot. The cowardly Republicans have to act otherwise, because of facing the wrath of his even more stupid backers. Louie Gohmert might be the exception. He might be a bigger idiot than Trump. 1
BillStime Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Half time. Second period. Fourth inning. Whatever. You're claiming victory in this thread WAAAAY before you should be. 2
Kemp Posted November 10, 2020 Author Posted November 10, 2020 Are any of you stupid enough to believe this? I thought he said it wouldn't even be in the news after the election. How scary is it that millions of people are following this total moron? Yeah, I know. Some live here. 3
Chef Jim Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: So you think Trump will leave then? Yes.
Chef Jim Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, Kemp said: He has already refused to admit defeat. The original point wasn't that the Army would have to intercede by bombing the White House. It was that he would refuse to accept the verdict of the voters. He hasn't. Everyone in Congress knows he an idiot. The cowardly Republicans have to act otherwise, because of facing the wrath of his even more stupid backers. Louie Gohmert might be the exception. He might be a bigger idiot than Trump. No the original point was he’d refuse to leave. Hence the title of your thread. We’ll see what happens when Biden is no longer the President elect. Sorry but you have to come out on the ice after the second period. 32 minutes ago, BillStime said: No I’m here loving life. 1
WideNine Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) What short memories the Trump supporters have. Elections have always been called after election night by the media, no conspiracy they just look at the vote totals coming in and how many are left uncounted. They then count it state by state when they believe the uncounted ballots cannot overcome a lead - there is generally a lag from media outlet to outlet depending on how much they want to vet the information. They called it for Trump in 2016 and although there was plenty that marveled that so many polls were wrong, and that so many people could support that odious, orange, philandering, TV con man, folks did not attack the election process with calls of voter fraud, or calls of conspiracy. Just calls from democrats and many independents for what went wrong with the democrat's campaign. Pretty sure even those "radical" media outlets (apparently all the major outlets that are not FOX news) called it for Trump after election night. You also see folks that do not understand the basic premise that you have vote totals from those that go to the polls, then millions of ballots that were sent via the mail that then have to be counted and tallied. This is why Trump's lead at some of the swing-state polls vanished as valid mailed-in ballots and absentee ballots and military ballots are counted and added to the totals. It is a normal lag that could be resolved if GOP leadership in PA for instance allowed them to begin tallying the mailed in votes before election day. But the GOP would not allow it - so you have the inevitable lag of counting all those ballots later. I did not expect Trump to lose and show even a molecule of dignity - why start behaving like a responsible full-grown adult now? I also fully expected his gullible, conspiracy-slurping, followers to be just as classless. Same with the spineless GOP wastes of oxygen in the Senate. So, no surprises so far. Edited November 10, 2020 by WideNine 4
Doc Brown Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 4 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: What always amazes me about the mind of the liberal voter is that they’ll see corruption—groundless, alleged or otherwise— and conspiracy across the board in private enterprise and scream about it. Yet, in an election involving 150m votes after the 4 years of Russia hoax, The attempted destruction of Brett K , Ukrainamania and the like, they’ll look dumbfounded when you suggest they lack credibility. That ship long since sailed. It’s not just the 4 illegal votes that you're confident maxes out the wrongdoing—and I’ll bet it was more but I’m a crazy conspiracy guy who thought the FB ads didn’t change the world—it’s structural changes that deal with when and how votes are tabulated and which body is responsible for overseeing that issue. Besides, if there is nothing to worry about and 149,999,996 of the 150,000,000 are legit, then A little extra scrutiny is good for us all. If it goes up to the SC like many on our side hope it will, we can all rest comfortably knowing a job well performed is a job well done even if we don’t like the outcome. And to be completely honest, I think you could have substantial evidence of criminal wrongdoing and voter fraud but otherwise sage conservative judges would side with Biden. I think the calculation would be there was too much downside in terms of rioting, death and destruction to doing the correct thing legally. Who is the Defense Secretary-Elect? That’s critical here. There's more oversight and accountability when it comes to the government compared to private enterprises (which is one of the reasons I despise charter schools). From the moment it was reported that there were going to be a large amount of mail in ballots because of the pandemic my first thought was god I hope this is a landslide in either direction or one side will not except the validity because of them. Especially deeply political people that have deep antipathy to the opposing party like you do. Unfortunately, it was another close election in six or so states. The fact that Biden's up thousands of votes in all of these states now makes it unlikely that you can prove voter fraud because in the rare instances in the past where they have found it it's only been about up to 100 votes or so. My problem is with the way the election results are reported. Just let me know when the results when all the votes are counted. Have a Republican and Democrat observer at each polling place to ensure the validity. It would be easier to stomach on the right if it was reported all at once that Trump lost say Pennsylvania by 50,000 votes instead of seeing his lead slowly disappear over the course of three days because they take forever to count in the mail in ballots.
Coach Tuesday Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 8 hours ago, westside2 said: You know this will all get thrown out when it goes to the supreme court. I think you mean the Supreme Courtyard by Marriott... 1 2
Warcodered Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 44 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Yes. I think a lot of people didn't get that and thought you were talking about the election. But yeah he still might leave, though if he does there is a very good chance that he still doesn't concede.
WideNine Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: There's more oversight and accountability when it comes to the government compared to private enterprises (which is one of the reasons I despise charter schools). From the moment it was reported that there were going to be a large amount of mail in ballots because of the pandemic my first thought was god I hope this is a landslide in either direction or one side will not except the validity because of them. Especially deeply political people that have deep antipathy to the opposing party like you do. Unfortunately, it was another close election in six or so states. The fact that Biden's up thousands of votes in all of these states now makes it unlikely that you can prove voter fraud because in the rare instances in the past where they have found it it's only been about up to 100 votes or so. My problem is with the way the election results are reported. Just let me know when the results when all the votes are counted. Have a Republican and Democrat observer at each polling place to ensure the validity. It would be easier to stomach on the right if it was reported all at once that Trump lost say Pennsylvania by 50,000 votes instead of seeing his lead slowly disappear over the course of three days because they take forever to count in the mail in ballots. The GOP created the issue with delayed counting of mailed in ballots in PA. I find it amazingly audacious for any of them to B word about a process that they forced that created a delay that they manufactured. Despite spending $1 million on new equipment to open envelopes and count mail-in ballots quicker, Lawrence Jr. said it'll still take days to count a quarter million ballots without action by lawmakers and Gov. Tom Wolf to allow for sorting before Nov. 3. "People have to know we will not have results on election night if we can’t pre-canvass," Lawrence Jr. said, using the term for early counting. "Even with the equipment we have, it’s still a labor intensive process. It took us 17 days in the primary to count (105,000) mail-in ballots. We’ll have a better process in place, but we'll have many more ballots." Wolf, a Democrat, and the Republican-controlled Legislature are stuck in a logjam over the issue. Wolf this summer asked for counties to be allowed to start sorting mail-in ballots 15 days before Nov. 3. Republicans in the General Assembly have countered three days, but only included that offer in a bill that would ban drop boxes throughout the state. Edited November 10, 2020 by WideNine 1
TBBills Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kemp said: Are any of you stupid enough to believe this? I thought he said it wouldn't even be in the news after the election. How scary is it that millions of people are following this total moron? Yeah, I know. Some live here. I could have sworn he said Covid would disappear after the election... But Donnie isn't healthy mentally so he doesn't know what he has been "saying all along" Edited November 10, 2020 by TBBills
WideNine Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, TBBills said: I could have sworn he said Covid would disappear after the election... But Donnie isn't healthy mentally so he doesn't know what he has been "saying all along" And it is just trial data that companies always release when positive as it makes their stocks go UP. They have to test against more groups, apparently the elderly were not a large sample in the testing cohort. At least 2 more months and Moderna is working on a similar vaccine approach... There have been other vaccine announcements throughout the year that have fizzled out...nothing about the timing of this announcement has anything to do with Trump, other than he thinks the universe revolves around him.
Adam727 Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 I just read through this thread for the first time. When it started, every single Trump supporter made fun of the OP or called the idea that Trump would refuse to concede science fiction. Now it has happened, and every Trump supporter that responded except for one is not only ok with Trump refusing to concede, but are making excuses for his false, baseless attempts to undermine faith in our electoral process. I always assumed this is how Trump would act if he lost, but I personally didn't think we would get to this point as long as the results weren't particularly close (which they weren't) because I thought then Senate Republicans would have to speak out. No matter how low I set my expectations, most of them continue to slither underneath the bar ever since Trump got elected. Were Trump supporters always like this or did four years of Trump make them this way? How can most of them ever go back to pretending to be patriotic after this? There is nothing more patriotic than the right to vote and Trump is trying to cast doubt on the entire process in an effort to fund raise on his way out the door and give himself a hook for when he starts his TV network. I hope Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell are keeping their democratic challengers updated given that they "won" their races on the same "fraudulent" ballots that Trump is complaining about. The ones he and his supporters wanted everyone to stop counting in Michigan and PA, keep counting in Arizona, re-count in Wisconsin, and continue counting in Nevada until Nevada was called for Biden at which point all of those ballots somehow became fraudulent too.. None of Trump's allegations even make any sense. One allegation is inconsistent with the next. None have any proof. None have held up in court. And the best Trump can offer is a press conference held by Rudi Giuliani claiming fraud, providing no evidence, behind a landscaping business, next to an adult book store selling dildos buy one get one free. And still his supporters follow everything he says, no matter how crazy or how unamerican.. no evidence required.. 3
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