SoTier Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 8 hours ago, keepthefaith said: Right, because you say so. I guess that settles it. I'm 70 years old and I have some comorbidity conditions. It's not "because I said so". It's because my birth certificate says so and my doctors over the years have said so. That settles it. 6 hours ago, Thurmal34 said: This isn’t a thing. He’s a weak coward lacking the balls to back up his rhetoric. He has zero support. The Secret Service will escort him off the property on 1/21 at 12:00 noon if he whines. Buh bye. It’s ovah. The bigger issue is dealing with the overt racism and hatred he has allowed to blossom. You can’t kill an idea and many people see Trumpism as their White Right. Exactly this. The only question is if Trump will leave with dignity or not. When the Electoral College confirms Biden as the president-elect, it's all over for Covid Donnie except his decision on how he's going to exit: will he be present at the undoubtedly masked and socially distanced inauguration ceremony like every other outgoing POTUS or will he make a sad spectacle of himself by sulking in the WH, or more likely, at his favorite golf resort.
Westside Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, SoTier said: I'm 70 years old and I have some comorbidity conditions. It's not "because I said so". It's because my birth certificate says so and my doctors over the years have said so. That settles it. Exactly this. The only question is if Trump will leave with dignity or not. When the Electoral College confirms Biden as the president-elect, it's all over for Covid Donnie except his decision on how he's going to exit: will he be present at the undoubtedly masked and socially distanced inauguration ceremony like every other outgoing POTUS or will he make a sad spectacle of himself by sulking in the WH, or more likely, at his favorite golf resort. The one you should be pissed off at is Cuomo. He botched this from the very beginning. Sending covid patients to nursing homes. That's murder.
Kemp Posted October 12, 2020 Author Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, westside2 said: Hoax. Why must you lie? You know the truth, you just refuse to believe it. You have a serious case of TDS. Is today National Non-Sequitur day?
SoTier Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 42 minutes ago, westside2 said: The one you should be pissed off at is Cuomo. He botched this from the very beginning. Sending covid patients to nursing homes. That's murder. Why should I be pissed off at Cuomo? Because he had the balls to acknowledge his errors and change his policies rather than continue to downplay the coronavirus as "the flu" like Covid Donnie has done for the last six months? Cuomo acted like a real leader, taking responsibility for his decisions, while Covid Donnie's actions have simply been a parody of leadership. Covid Donnie's response to the coronavirus has made him easily the worst mass murderer in US history. 2
Chef Jim Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Kemp said: He raised my taxes. His inability and lack of desire to address the virus helped kill a friend of mine. He is currently involved in dismantling the democracy in my country. Under him, violence is soaring. Stop me when you've heard enough. 1. He lowered my taxes. He allowed many retired clients to save boatloads taxes. He lowered the taxes for renters who have very few deductions. 2. Sorry your friend died but there is none, zero zip, nada proof your friend would have died regardless of who was President. 3. How is he dismantling the democracy? 4. There is none, zero, zip, nada proof that the violence we see would not have occurred if anyone else was President 2-4 are 100% your opinion based absolutely on your hatred for Trump. Hatred is not good. Get over it. But please....go on. 1 hour ago, SoTier said: I'm 70 years old and I have some comorbidity conditions. It's not "because I said so". It's because my birth certificate says so and my doctors over the years have said so. That settles it. Damn that Trump for having you born when you were and giving you poor health. 😡
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 47 minutes ago, SoTier said: Why should I be pissed off at Cuomo? Because he had the balls to acknowledge his errors and change his policies rather than continue to downplay the coronavirus as "the flu" like Covid Donnie has done for the last six months? Cuomo acted like a real leader, taking responsibility for his decisions, while Covid Donnie's actions have simply been a parody of leadership. Covid Donnie's response to the coronavirus has made him easily the worst mass murderer in US history. I live in California. Nobody has downplayed ANYTHING in this leftist paradise. You are 100% full of total crap!
Westside Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Why should I be pissed off at Cuomo? Because he had the balls to acknowledge his errors and change his policies rather than continue to downplay the coronavirus as "the flu" like Covid Donnie has done for the last six months? Cuomo acted like a real leader, taking responsibility for his decisions, while Covid Donnie's actions have simply been a parody of leadership. Covid Donnie's response to the coronavirus has made him easily the worst mass murderer in US He's taken responsibility for his mistakes? Show me where he has done that.
Dr. Who Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, westside2 said: He's taken responsibility for his mistakes? Show me where he has done that. Pretty sure a Democrat taking responsibility for their mistakes = blame Trump. In that respect, they are all very responsible. 1
Bakin Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Kemp said: You didn't answer my 1st question. You ignored my question as to why there are so many connections to Russia among Trump associates. You think it's a series of coincidences? Don't be afraid to answer.I’m not on trial. It’s a stupid question. There was no Russia scandal from the Trump side. It was strictly from the Obama, HRC, DNC side. Period. Remember when he said he only hires the best people? Roger Stone-Convicted of a crime (Nothing to do with Russian collusion or conspiracy with respect to the 2016 election) Paul Manafort-Convicted of a crime. (See above) Michael Cohen-Convicted of a crime(See above) Michael Flynn-Convicted of a crime.(See above) Rick Gates-Convicted of a crime.(See above) George Nader-Convicted of a crime(See above) George Papadapoulus-Convicted of a crime (See above) Most of those above were charged in things involved with Russia. More coincidences?Things involved with Russia? You need to read more. He wouldn't answer questions in an investigation where he did nothing wrong? Innocent people aren't afraid of testifying.(Ask General Flynn that question) Why do you believe that despite being subpoenaed, some refused to testify?like who specifically? Barr, Stone, McGahn, Hicks, etc,. Do you have any idea what you're talking about at all? (Because it’s Kabuki Dem theatre. Why bother?) You don't care that Trump believes the dictaor, Putin, instead of his own employees. You don't care that Trump is hiding something from the American government and people. Is it because you are Russian? Are you Chinese? You are asking such stupid questions that either you must be a communist or just being a troll. Which is it? You didn't answer why Trump wouldn't reveal his taxes. Why?it’s not important. Why is it important to you? You didn't answer why Trump won't reveal his medical records.Why? it’s not important. Why is it important to you? Yes, there's only one video of Trump belittling someone with a handicap. How many videos would it take to bother you?He was belittling a stupid reporter asking stupid questions. It would take much more than that to bother me. I’m sure you were hysterically fainting on your couch when you watched that gif. Trump has told only small, hyperbolic lies? Really? Yes. All the below are small and hyperbolic. Some small lies he's told: In the wake of the Stoneman Douglas High School massacre, in which 17 people were killed, Trump cast his mind back to the 2016 mass shooting in the Pulse nightclub in Orlando. “You take Pulse nightclub,” he said during a televised meeting with members of Congress. “If you had one person in that room that could carry a gun and knew how to use it, it wouldn’t have happened, or certainly to the extent that it did.” In fact, a uniformed and armed off-duty police officer, with 15 years experience with the Orlando Police Department, was working security that night. He exchanged gunfire with the perpetrator. Despite the bravery of Officer Adam Gruler, and the quick response of his colleagues, 49 people were killed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Speaking at a rally just over a week after a series of terrorist attacks in Paris and its surrounds left 131 people dead, Trump told the crowd: “Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.” He repeated his comments during an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week”: “I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down, as those buildings came down. And that tells you something. It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don’t like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good.” As the Washington Post pointed out at the time, the exchange demonstrates the difficulty of fact-checking Trump. The police said it didn’t happen, yet he insisted he saw it. Despite extensive examinations of news reports, no visual evidence has ever been found to support the claim. Curiously, there are also no examples of Trump expressing this opinion at the time of the attacks or at any stage before the rally. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The President has recognized that an anti-abortion stance plays well with his voting base. Addressing a rally in Green Bay, he told the crowd that with late-term abortion “the mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully. And then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby”. Late-term abortions are rare and generally only occur due to a threat to the mother’s life or if the child has fatal abnormalities. Where a baby is born, and dies due to severe abnormalities, parents and doctors make a decision whether to resuscitate or not. This is not the execution of a healthy, or even viable child. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that 1.4 per cent of abortions occur after 21 weeks (out of a standard 40-week pregnancy). According to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, less than one per cent of abortions occur in the third trimester and almost exclusively occur in the most extreme situations. “Allowing to die does happen,” said Arthur Caplan, a bioethicist at New York University Langone Medical Center, but “very rarely — say, a baby born with no lungs at 20 weeks”. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A year into his presidency, Trump told a West Palm Beach crowd: “You know, one of the things that people don’t understand — we have signed more legislation than anybody. We broke the record of Harry Truman.” Not quite. According to govtracks.us, the President actually passed the least amount of legislation in the first year of anyone elected to the office since World War II. Trump signed off on 96 laws in the period, while Truman racked up 126 in his first 100 days alone. John F Kennedy takes the record at the one-year mark with 684 signed bills. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trump’s vitriol should have been directed at his own administration when he tweeted: “Put pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there [sic] parents once they cross the Border into the US.” He was still peddling this lie a year later. In an interview on Telemundo in June, he claimed: “When I became president, President Obama had a separation policy. I didn’t have it. He had it. I brought the families together. I’m the one that put them together.” There was no specific law under the Democratic administration of Barack Obama to separate children from their parents. It did occur occasionally when the parents were charged with a crime and placed in custody, due to a policy of not imprisoning children. However, illegal immigrants were rarely prosecuted and instead held in family detention centres under Obama, while under Trump the Homeland Security Department now refers all illegal border crossings for prosecution. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Following his against-the-odds win in the 2016 presidential election, Trump tweeted: “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.” The Electoral College result was a resounding win, but not a landslide. In fact, the margin of victory ranked just 46th out of 58 presidential elections. Trump had 56.9 per cent of the college. Washington had 100 per cent twice, Ronald Reagan picked up 97.6 per cent, and even fellow impeachment-target Richard Nixon garnered 96.65 per cent of votes. In terms of the popular vote, by the official results the President lost by just under three million to Hillary Clinton, the largest margin of any presidential election ever. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud, certainly not to the extent of explaining such a deficit. Trump even established the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, chaired by Vice President Mike Pence, but it was unable to confirm any irregularities and was disbanded before it could hand down such a finding. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The most significant legislative success of the current administration was the passing of US$1.5 trillion in tax cuts, which among other things lowered company tax rates from 35 per cent to 21 per cent, and reducing the alternative minimum tax, which is designed to guarantee that high-income earners with significant deductions still pay a minimum amount of tax. Trump, the only modern president not to have released his tax returns, told reporters that his plan was for the working people and not people like him. “No, I don’t benefit. I don’t benefit. In fact, very, very strongly, as you see, I think there’s very little benefit for people of wealth.” The President expanded in a speech in St Charles on November 29: “This is going to cost me a fortune, this thing — believe me. Believe me, this is not good for me.” Without access to Trump’s tax returns it is impossible to know exactly how the tax cuts would affect him — maybe he’s about to declare bankruptcy, as he has six times in his business dealings. Writing the day after his original claim, a New York Times analysis found: “President Trump could cut his tax bills by more than $1.1 billion, including saving tens of millions of dollars in a single year.” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mexico will pay for the wall that still hasn't been built. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He will have a great health plan for America. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He will have a huge infrastructure bill, etc,. etc,. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trump didn't say that the only way Biden can win is if it's crooked? He didn't refuse to say he would abide by a peaceful transition if he lost? Have you ever even visited reality? Biden just said the same thing today - that Trump can only win if there is chicanery. Biden and his team of lawyers are planning to contest any election result that doesn’t put his bedpan in the White House. You are lost. Noted that you avoided dealing with two questions in regards to Trump being a con artist. Not even Trump supporters can attempt to refute that. Crimes he has committed (You can stop waiting) The Emoluments Clause Stealing from charity Stealing from emplotees Stealing from contractors cool - why isn’t he in jail? 9 hours ago, Kemp said: By refusing to testify and blocking others from testifying, he has postponed the ineviatable, but that dam will break soon enough. Unless he becomes America's official dictator. If he does, you will be one of the ignorant who supports his putting you under his thumb. This is such a stupid comment. You must be peeing your pants scared! Lol!
Kemp Posted October 12, 2020 Author Posted October 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bakin said: I didn't expect serious answers. I wasn't disappointed. Back to the topic, for a sec. If Biden wins and Trump disputes it without proof, will you back Trump? Don't answer. We already know the answer. People who support criminals are garbage.
SoTier Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I live in California. Nobody has downplayed ANYTHING in this leftist paradise. You are 100% full of total crap! If you don't like living in a "leftist paradise", why don't you move to some "rightwing paradise"? I've heard that the Dakotas are really booming garden spots.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, SoTier said: If you don't like living in a "leftist paradise", why don't you move to some "rightwing paradise"? I've heard that the Dakotas are really booming garden spots. ...after the Trump defeat, he'll be the next Mayor of Jamestown....uh oh.......
Plano Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 Why is anyone even entertaining this? It's really simple. You lose, you're gone. SIMPLE.
B-Man Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Plano said: Why is anyone even entertaining this? It's really simple. You lose, you're gone. SIMPLE. It is actually quite simple. No one really believes that President Trump will "refuse" to leave. What they want is cover................when the GOP and Trump point out any of the (routine) dirty tricks that the democrat party will pull in the upcoming election they want to be able to say, "see he is refusing to accept the results"; instead of them having to defend their illegal votes. 1 1
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, SoTier said: If you don't like living in a "leftist paradise", why don't you move to some "rightwing paradise"? I've heard that the Dakotas are really booming garden spots. What in the world does that have to do with my comment about masks? The point was that this is a big diverse country. I live in a state where Democrats control EVERYTHING ...and yet we’ve had our turn at the Covid roulette wheel. If we’re talking about TRUE scientific method, masks then are clearly not the answer. Edited October 12, 2020 by SoCal Deek
Plano Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, B-Man said: It is actually quite simple. No one really believes that President Trump will "refuse" to leave. What they want is cover................when the GOP and Trump point out any of the (routine) dirty tricks that the democrat party will pull in the upcoming election they want to be able to say, "see he is refusing to accept the results"; instead of them having to defend their illegal votes. Ah like fake polling boxes, right.
Bob in Mich Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 What if Trump claims it was rigged and then Bill Barr states that there may have been irregularities that should be investigated? Does that change things as far as kicking Trump out if he loses?
keepthefaith Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said: What if Trump claims it was rigged and then Bill Barr states that there may have been irregularities that should be investigated? Does that change things as far as kicking Trump out if he loses? Rest assured, there will be legal battles that commence right after the election regardless of who it seems won. Trump's crew will probably have cause due to the volume and lack of custody of mailed ballots. Biden's side will likely challenge counting deadlines. That and it doesn't seem like a stretch that recounts in close states and precincts will happen. Both sides have dozens of lawyers hired already. 1
Bakin Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Kemp said: I didn't expect serious answers. I wasn't disappointed. Back to the topic, for a sec. If Biden wins and Trump disputes it without proof, will you back Trump? Don't answer. We already know the answer. People who support criminals are garbage. Why do you support a racist? are you a racist?
Kemp Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Bakin said: Why do you support a racist? are you a racist? You've shown you can't refute the facts so I suppose you had no choice other than to venture into the absurd.
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