If Trump loses and refuses to leave

[shoshin]

I believe there are no more federal cases pending. Well done Trump legal team. 

[TBBills]

Trump will go down as the worst president to ever to be elected, his exit will be known always as one of cowardice during a worldwide pandemic where millions of Americans have fallen below the poverty line since the start. During the most fragile time in American history, with the world watching, we saw a man who put Ego and corruption above his country he was sworn to govern for the people... In the end he governed for himself.

 

His last week's filled with golf trips and wild fraudulent claims through media outlets that only care to profit from the weak minded. 

[reddogblitz]

13 hours ago, Tiberius said:

The R’s are much more dependent on lies, misinformation and conspiracy theories. 

 

How so? Please explain.  Looks like a whole gotta that going on on both sides to me.  

[daz28]

On 11/19/2020 at 9:01 PM, HappyDays said:

Isn't the GOP concerned their base will be less enthusiastic to vote in future elections if they think their votes are meaningless? What is the point of voting if you honestly believe the other side is committing fraud that will make your vote worthless?

The electoral college makes sure my vote is meaningless, so I'd be happy to see them feeling the same way.  Fwiw, Parer is pushing these ninkumpoops to not vote.

[Kemp]

7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

At this point, I reject your characterization  and allegations of coercion.  
 

Are your implying he has broken some law, and if so, can you provide a link?
 

Jumping ahead, if it was DJT is doing is determined to be illegal, I would not be fine with that.  
 

Stepping back from that ledge for a minute, you’re a poster I avoided like the plague over the last year or two. It doesn’t really matter why, and I’m quite certain it didn’t matter to you one way or the other. 
 

Based on what I typed above, what’s unreasonable about my position?  Not the part where I choose to see it through and you disagree,  I’ll acknowledge you find that unreasonable.  

 

Please provide a possible reason Trump brought the people from Michigan to the White House other than to convince them to overturn the vote in Michigan.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Please provide a possible reason Trump brought the people from Michigan to the White House other than to convince them to overturn the vote in Michigan.

The onus is not on me to follow you down yet another Russian rabbit hole, Kempy.  If you got some intel that is worth offering, now’s the time to smoke em if you got em.  So far, you’ve wasted my time on this issue.  I’m a very busy man. 

[daz28]

26 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The onus is not on me to follow you down yet another Russian rabbit hole, Kempy.  If you got some intel that is worth offering, now’s the time to smoke em if you got em.  So far, you’ve wasted my time on this issue.  I’m a very busy man. 

I suppose you question if the water actually went down the drain when you pulled the plug, too.  You didn't see it go down, so maybe it didn't, right???

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

21 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I suppose you question if the water actually went down the drain when you pulled the plug, too.  You didn't see it go down, so maybe it didn't, right???

I know how sensitive you were before when you felt I was being condescending to another poster, but in your example why wouldn’t I see the water go down the drain? I’m not sure if we’ve got a clog, my eyesight is gone, or this is all taking place during a major power outage. 
 

For now, sensing you’ve got something up your sleeve...I’m going with it didn’t go down. 
 

Final answer. 
 

 

 

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, daz28 said:

I suppose you question if the water actually went down the drain when you pulled the plug, too.  You didn't see it go down, so maybe it didn't, right???

 

I kind of got over Leh-nerd.

 

Waste of time...circular arguments grounded in rumor and conjecture that seek to obfuscate and deflect the clear obstruction, collusion, and dishonest malfeasance of Trump and his administration.

 

I lend more credence to those who spent real time with Trump - unfiltered.

 

 

John Kelly:

 

Former White House chief of staff, retired Marine Gen. John Kelly, has said that President Trump "is the most flawed person" he's ever known.

 

"The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it's more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life," Kelly has told friends.

 

 

James Mattis:

 

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” Mattis writes.

 

“We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.

 

We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.”

 

 

John Bolton:

 

...in his new book, "The Room Where It Happened," Bolton paints Trump as "stunningly uninformed," making "erratic" and "irrational" decisions, unable to separate his personal and political interests from the country's, and marked and manipulated by foreign adversaries.

 

Ukraine aid ploy and impeachment:

 

"The defense of the president was, he cares about the general corruption in the Ukraine, and that was on his mind -- that's utter nonsense," Bolton told ABC News, adding the Ukrainian government "fully understood" the connection.

 

"He was bargaining to get the investigation, using the resources of the federal government, which I found very disturbing," Bolton said.

 

Trump has denied that, tweeting in January, "I NEVER told John Bolton that the aid to Ukraine was tied to investigations into Democrats, including the Bidens." Bolton said Trump is lying, "and it's not the first time either."

 

Obstruction of Justice:

 

He cited specific examples of strongmen leaders who had "mastered the art of ringing (Trump's) bells," including Xi Jinping of China, Vladimir Putin of Russia, and Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey.

 

According to Bolton, Erdogan asked Trump to intervene on behalf of Halkbank, a Turkish state-run bank that faced possible criminal charges for violating U.S. sanctions against Iran and was said to operate like a slush fund for Erdogan's family.

 

"And the president said to Erdogan at one point, 'Look, those prosecutors in New York are Obama people. Wait till I get my people in and then we'll take care of this,'"

 

Bolton said.

"I've never heard any president say anything like that. Ever," Bolton added. "It did feel like obstruction of justice to me."

Whatever was said to Erdogan, Halkbank was indicted last fall by the Southern District of New York for fraud, money laundering, and sanctions violations.

 

 

 

I mean the trail of turds that follow Trump and his administration are simply unprecedented in our US history. Counting down the days till they give him an unceremonious boot out of the WH.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by WideNine

[Kemp]

7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The onus is not on me to follow you down yet another Russian rabbit hole, Kempy.  If you got some intel that is worth offering, now’s the time to smoke em if you got em.  So far, you’ve wasted my time on this issue.  I’m a very busy man. 

 

You seem to only get busy when you can't answer a simple question.

[Warcodered]

On 11/20/2020 at 4:25 PM, TBBills said:

Wonder how angry Trump and his Trumpies must be that Biden keeps winning Georgia lol

Well they've asked for a recount so I hope they enjoy losing again, too bad Georgia has to pay for it though.

[Kemp]

Republicans running two Senate nominees who made money and broke the law betting on their constituents dying from Coronavirus is fitting while Agent Orange attempts a coup.

[Buddo]

12 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Well they've asked for a recount so I hope they enjoy losing again, too bad Georgia has to pay for it though.

 

Hasn't that already been done though?

 

I would assume that they will have to pay for another recount themselves, i.e. the Trump campaign, as Georgia has already fulfilled its own oblligation to recount the votes once, due to the closeness of it in respect of percentages.

 

Another suit has been thrown out of court in Pennsylvania, as well.

[snafu]

10 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

This makes no sense whatsoever.

 

If they had a case they'd have announced it while Biden was running for President. 

 

There is an open FBI investigation. It was opened in 2019. 

 

[Tiberius]

On 11/21/2020 at 9:07 AM, aristocrat said:

Lol I know right? The left media sold that as some kind of huge event and turned out to be nothing. People will believe anything.  But tis the word we live in

Spoken like a true fifth columnist 

 

Not caring that Putin is a player in Trump’s world is different from it actually happening. 

[SoTier]

12 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

Did Trump plan it though? He was looking for election lawyers the night of the election In response to something so serious, you’d think he would have put some forethought and planning in to it.

 

Or he’s just dumb and can’t think that far ahead. That is the kind of leadership that gets 200,000 plus killed in a pandemic.

^^^

11 hours ago, TBBills said:

I really don't think he thought the numbers would be as great as they were for democrats. He has an ego that most likely didn't think about this happening. Anyone that would have said to him "Hey Donnie, You are in trouble for telling republicans to not vote by mail..." he fired them all b.c he wanted "Yes" people who would do his bidding.

 

In regard to these two posts, I think that Covid Donnie is both sly and stupid.   I do think that he intentionally tried to suppress the vote by attacking mail-in voting early on because he thought that 1) the coronavirus would primarily impact cities,  2) the pandemic would spend itself well before the election and not be a factor, and 3) states wouldn't expand mail-in voting processes.   Trump assumed that a low voter turn out would enable his Trump Cult to dominate in the swing states.   He saw a reprise of 2016. 

 

That was the sly part of Trump's strategy but the stupid part is that he never anticipated that any of his assumptions could possibly be wrong -- and they mostly were --- and because he surrounded himself with sycophants who continuously told him what he wanted to hear, nobody in his orbit raised the possibility of the election not going according to plan.   Trump has never demonstrated astute insight into any undertaking, business or political, over his entire adult career.  What he's been is a con man, a manipulator, a salesman who can sell raincoats to people living in the Sahara.  He's masked his failures by bullying adversaries through the courts and/or the media.   He's trying to do the same now.

 

[shoshin]

4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

^^^

 

In regard to these two posts, I think that Covid Donnie is both sly and stupid.   I do think that he intentionally tried to suppress the vote by attacking mail-in voting early on because he thought that 1) the coronavirus would primarily impact cities,  2) the pandemic would spend itself well before the election and not be a factor, and 3) states wouldn't expand mail-in voting processes.   Trump assumed that a low voter turn out would enable his Trump Cult to dominate in the swing states.   He saw a reprise of 2016. 

 

That was the sly part of Trump's strategy but the stupid part is that he never anticipated that any of his assumptions could possibly be wrong -- and they mostly were --- and because he surrounded himself with sycophants who continuously told him what he wanted to hear, nobody in his orbit raised the possibility of the election not going according to plan.   Trump has never demonstrated astute insight into any undertaking, business or political, over his entire adult career.  What he's been is a con man, a manipulator, a salesman who can sell raincoats to people living in the Sahara.  He's masked his failures by bullying adversaries through the courts and/or the media.   He's trying to do the same now.

 

I believe it’s a lot less malicious. Trump is the kid who just lost in pickup basketball and says his opponent cheated to make himself feel better and try to convince his friends that he didn’t lose fair and square. We all knew that kid. Sometimes he pulled the fake injury thing too. A rich entitled douche in my personal experience with the type. 

Edited November 22, 2020 by shoshin

[Tiberius]

12 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

How so? Please explain.  Looks like a whole gotta that going on on both sides to me.  

If you have not figured that out for yourself, how would I be able to show you? I mean Trump lies about a pandemic, that should be enough, but you say it’s both sides. You believe Trump and Biden lie the same amount, so nothing I can do to change that, right? 

[SoTier]

3 minutes ago, shoshin said:

I believe it’s a lot less malicious. Trump is the kid who just lost in pickup basketball and says his opponent cheated to make himself feel better and try to convince his friends that he didn’t lose fair and square. We all knew that kid. Sometimes he pulled the fake injury thing too. A rich entitled douche in my personal experience with the type. 

 

I disagree.  Trump is a narcissist as well as a scoiopath.   That combination of psychological mental disorders creates an extremely immoral individual.  Give that individual power, ie, wealth and/or political power, and he becomes extremely dangerous.  That's Trump, and since the election, he's demonstrated that there is nothing that he won't say or attempt to do to "win".  He's going to continue his scorched earth policies against the United States and the future Biden administration until January 20, 2021, because nobody or nothing matters to him one iota.  My guess is that he -- or more likely some sycophant not officially associated with his administration so that Trump can't legally be charged with any crime -- is going to call on Trump cultists to protest in the streets after Trump's legal charades and attempts to bribe/threaten state officials to change states' electoral college votes crash and burn.  From his behavior since the election, I expect Trump to not attend the Inauguration but rather to go golfing while his lackeys quietly remove his personal possessions from the WH and Trump cultists fill the streets around the country.

[WideNine]

5 hours ago, snafu said:

 

There is an open FBI investigation. It was opened in 2019. 

 

 

I am not dismissing out of hand that investigations may find some dirt on Hunter, he has had a somewhat checkered past. Pretty sure it won't link to pa Joe.

 

Meanwhile the whole Trump clan will be up to their ears in legal alligators when Trump Org criminal charges are files and Don steered Federal dollars to his Trump Org holdings which is a violation of the emulment law.

 

One has way more tangible links than the other and it was rather a short-sighted strategy by Trump to seek to undermine Biden via family illegal activities considering his own ilk and his more direct connections to Trump Org.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by WideNine