shoshin Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 Giuliani’s elite strike force team is releasing the evidence in the next two weeks. ya know. Long after every state has certified its results. More Exhibit Q?
jrober38 Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 4 hours ago, WideNine said: Team Trump Legal Defections - there should be a tracker:) Below is a timeline of the drama on Trump’s legal team: Nov. 8: Snell & Wilmer, the largest law firm representing the Trump campaign, moves to withdraw from litigation in Arizona, a day after filing its lawsuit. Nov. 9: The New York Times reports widespread discomfort among employees of Jones Day, another large law firm that has represented Trump, who expressed concern that the firm was participating in Trump’s effort to undermine the integrity of elections. Nov. 10: A judge allows Snell & Wilmer to withdraw. Nov. 10: Jones Day issues a statement saying it “is not representing President Trump, his campaign, or any affiliated party in any litigation alleging voter fraud.” (Some of Trump’s lawyers have stopped short of echoing his claims of outright fraud, even as they question the legitimacy of some ballots.) Jones Day emphasizes that it is “representing the Pennsylvania GOP” and says it will not withdraw from litigation. Nov. 12: Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, another large firm representing the Trump campaign, moves to withdraw from litigation in Pennsylvania four days after filing suit. Nov. 13: Jones Day tells employees that it won’t get involved in additional litigation. Nov. 13: Trump puts Giuliani in charge after the campaign’s latest setback in Maricopa County, Ariz. Nov. 14: Trump makes Giuliani’s posting official and announces four others who will lead his team. Two of them are the husband-wife team of Joseph diGenova and Victoria Toensing, who were announced as new members of Trump’s legal team during the Russia investigation in 2018 but whose hiring was halted two days later over conflicts. The others are Sidney Powell, who most recently has served as lawyer to former Trump national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, and Jenna Ellis, the Trump campaign’s legal adviser. Both have promoted baseless allegations and suggestions of substantial voter fraud. Nov. 15: The Trump campaign narrows its lawsuit in Pennsylvania, and Porter Wright Morris & Arthur is removed as counsel in the updated document. It is replaced by Texas lawyer John B. Scott, who joins Pennsylvania lawyer Linda A. Kerns on the case. Nov. 16: Scott, Kerns and a third lawyer in the Pennsylvania case, Douglas Bryan Hughes, move to withdraw. The judge allows Scott and Hughes to do so but not Kerns. Pennsylvania lawyer Scaringi joins the case as lead counsel, despite having said recently on his radio show that “in my view, the litigation will not work” and that “it will not reverse this election.” Scaringi asks for a delay in a scheduled hearing the following day, saying he and a colleague “need additional time to adequately prepare.” The motion is rejected. Nov. 17: Giuliani joins as counsel in the Pennsylvania case, appearing in court. Kerns declines an opportunity to speak, citing her request to withdraw. Nov. 19: The judge allows Kerns to withdraw. Trump's lawsuit in Arizona got tossed today as well. They'll certify their results tomorrow based off what I read. As things stand, they're recounting two counties in Wisconsin, their lawsuits have all been tossed in Pennsylvania and Michigan is going to certify their results on Monday. Yet Trump won't concede. What a loser psychopath. 2
aristocrat Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Trump's lawsuit in Arizona got tossed today as well. They'll certify their results tomorrow based off what I read. As things stand, they're recounting two counties in Wisconsin, their lawsuits have all been tossed in Pennsylvania and Michigan is going to certify their results on Monday. Yet Trump won't concede. What a loser psychopath. i mean the dems screamed collusion for four years and nothing was found. Least you could do is let him air some ***** out. What will be interesting is if old hunter ends up doing time the next couple years and joe gets dragged into it.
jrober38 Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, aristocrat said: i mean the dems screamed collusion for four years and nothing was found. Least you could do is let him air some ***** out. What will be interesting is if old hunter ends up doing time the next couple years and joe gets dragged into it. A whole bunch of Trump associates are in jail so saying they didn't find anything is a bit disingenuous. If Hunter did anything illegal he'd obviously already be in jail, or charged with a crime. 2
aristocrat Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: A whole bunch of Trump associates are in jail so saying they didn't find anything is a bit disingenuous. If Hunter did anything illegal he'd obviously already be in jail, or charged with a crime. Anything tied to collusion? No. And hunter is currently under investigation. But it doesn’t matter. The republicans will investigate just like the dems did for two years and just make noise as the dems did.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, WideNine said: As to the Russian collusion or cooperation or collaboration, I have done that several times in several posts and the Trump cultist just want to argue the semantics and defend the indefensible actions of his campaign - ignorance of criminal actions is not the same as they did not happen. A position I highly doubt they would ever take for another sitting president. That is why I believe those that blindly follow Trump are not US patriots as they put that conman before our Country. To understand obstruction, you first need to understand Article 1 of the Constitution regarding the right Congress has to impeach and what that entails in regards to subpoenas, access to witnesses and testimony, as well as access to financial records. If you do not understand or agree on that branch providing those checks against the Executive branch than elucidating more is pointless. Just remember it could just as well in the future be a GOP run house trying to put the brakes on a Democratic President abusing his Executive branch powers. In the game of political and partisan one-upmanship these obstruction precedents only create the reason for the other party to up the ante and respond in kind. Also if you do not understand the very open and unethical nature of a sitting President Tweeting out threats against those that oppose him (whistle-blowers, inspector generals doing their jobs, DHS heads confirming election security) and retaliating against those perceived threats (the black Friday firings) then you really do not understand what "obstruction" means. The second impeachable offense was withholding Ukrainian aid approved for immediate release by Congress in lieu of Ukraine obtaining dirt on his political rival Biden. This was directed by Trump, and executed in typical clumsy ham-fisted style by Rudy. Lastly, out of all that stuff you through out there I guess to smear Harris, it seems rather thin, but I did have to laugh as you made me research and lo and behold Michael Avenatti makes an appearance - that ambulance chaser who was trying to shake down a President using a porn star. I keep saying you can't make this stuff up:) The facts: Ford never recanted her version of events although many dubious articles circulated that claimed she did - she did not. There was a Jane Doe letter sent to Harris' office from an accuser that she responsibly and immediately passed to the Senate Judiciary Committee. There was no merit to that allegation and it was dismissed. The claims of sexual assault from Ford and Ramirez were never disproved nor were they referred to the justice department. I personally find their stories compelling enough to have looked elsewhere for a conservative justice. The more complete story: The handwritten anonymous letter in question was sent to Democratic Sen. Kamala Harris’ office, which immediately passed the letter along to Senate Judiciary Committee investigators on Sept. 25. The letter, signed “Jane Doe” from Oceanside, California, alleged that Kavanaugh and another man raped her in the backseat of a car. On Sept. 26, Senate committee staff questioned Kavanaugh about the accusations in the letter. Kavanaugh said the claim was “ridiculous,” “a crock” and “didn’t happen.” A transcript of the interview and the text of the letter were publicly released by the committee that day, and a few media outlets — but only a few — reported on it. On Oct. 3, two days before the Senate narrowly confirmed Kavanaugh, the judiciary committee got an email from Judy Munro-Leighton in which she claimed to be “Jane Doe from Oceanside CA.” However, during a phone interview with judiciary investigators on Nov. 1, Munro-Leighton “admitted, contrary to her prior claims, that she had not been sexually assaulted by Judge Kavanaugh and was not the author of the original ‘Jane Doe’ letter,” according to a letter from Sen. Chuck Grassley referring Munro-Leighton to the attorney general and FBI for investigation into possible charges: making a materially false statement to a Senate committee and obstruction. According to Grassley’s letter, Munro-Leighton said she made up the story to “grab attention” and that it was “just a ploy” to oppose Kavanaugh’s confirmation.To be clear, though, Senate investigators don’t know who wrote the original, anonymous letter that was sent to Harris’ office, only that it wasn’t Munro-Leighton. As we said, the allegations contained in the anonymous letter were not widely reported by national media outlets, certainly not as widely as the allegations made by Ford, Deborah Ramirez — a classmate of Kavanaugh’s at Yale who said he exposed himself to her at a party — and Julie Swetnick — who claimed she witnessed Kavanaugh grabbing women inappropriately. In addition to Munroe-Leighton, Grassley referred Swetnick and her attorney, Michael Avenatti, to the Justice Department for criminal investigation related to a potential conspiracy to provide materially false statements to Congress and obstruction. No referral to the Justice Dept has been made for Ford or Ramirez. 821 words, a meandering journey of accusations, innuendo, hypotheses and the state of American patriotism 2020. Why not just point to the parts in Herr Mueller’s treatise on Russian Collusion where he identifies specific acts of collusion and brings the hammer down? I appreciate the refresher on Article 1, but you don’t have to convince me—Herr Mueller surely laid it all out. Personally, I don’t recall it playing out that way—I remember the q & a of a timid old man who seemed lost at times, confused at others, and thoroughly befuddled by some basic questions that should have been anticipated and worked through in debate prep. As for smearing Harris, I simply pointed out the facts. She was chief interrogator of a man with decades of dedicated service to the America people (and to be fair, Harris herself has a reputation for service as well). I never suggested Ford recanted her story, she’s an activist who made allegations absent specificity beyond Kavanaugh...someplace...sometime. She was rewarded handsomely for her role in the scheme. Again, I’ll stipulate that you are correct in that the allegations leveled without any credible evidence were never disproven. Thank God our justice system does not require an accused person to prove something that never happened didn’t happen. For what it’s worth, I think an individual who would disqualify a highly capable person an opportunity to serve at a higher level based on the unsubstantiated, unverfiable musings of an unstable partisan is unsuitable to offer opinions regarding the patriotism of others. I do think a person so inclined would serve quite well on a tribunal in virtually every socialist country in the world.
reddogblitz Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 8:55 AM, jrober38 said: The GOP relies on their ignorance and stubbornness to only live in an echo chamber where they only hear the things they want them to hear over and over again until their lies seem like the truth. Do you really think Rs are the only party that does this?
jrober38 Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 37 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Anything tied to collusion? No. And hunter is currently under investigation. But it doesn’t matter. The republicans will investigate just like the dems did for two years and just make noise as the dems did. Will investigate? They've had the Senate for four years and held the house from 2017-2019... If they're going to investigate, what the hell are they waiting for? 1
aristocrat Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Will investigate? They've had the Senate for four years and held the house from 2017-2019... If they're going to investigate, what the hell are they waiting for? It’s all timing. No need to investigate before. Now that the dems are in power they’re gonna get exactly what they gave the last four years. Bunch of bs lawsuits and calls for impeachment over Biden being under the hand of China because of all that Chinese money hunter got. Did you not realize that’s what would happen?
WideNine Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: 821 words, a meandering journey of accusations, innuendo, hypotheses and the state of American patriotism 2020. Why not just point to the parts in Herr Mueller’s treatise on Russian Collusion where he identifies specific acts of collusion and brings the hammer down? I appreciate the refresher on Article 1, but you don’t have to convince me—Herr Mueller surely laid it all out. Personally, I don’t recall it playing out that way—I remember the q & a of a timid old man who seemed lost at times, confused at others, and thoroughly befuddled by some basic questions that should have been anticipated and worked through in debate prep. As for smearing Harris, I simply pointed out the facts. She was chief interrogator of a man with decades of dedicated service to the America people (and to be fair, Harris herself has a reputation for service as well). I never suggested Ford recanted her story, she’s an activist who made allegations absent specificity beyond Kavanaugh...someplace...sometime. She was rewarded handsomely for her role in the scheme. Again, I’ll stipulate that you are correct in that the allegations leveled without any credible evidence were never disproven. Thank God our justice system does not require an accused person to prove something that never happened didn’t happen. For what it’s worth, I think an individual who would disqualify a highly capable person an opportunity to serve at a higher level based on the unsubstantiated, unverfiable musings of an unstable partisan is unsuitable to offer opinions regarding the patriotism of others. I do think a person so inclined would serve quite well on a tribunal in virtually every socialist country in the world. Let's just look at the first summary lines that wiki has on Mueller and your boy Trump Per Wiki: "Herr Mueller" as you call him Robert Swan Mueller III (/ˈmʌlər/; born August 7, 1944) is an American lawyer and government official who served as the sixth Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) from 2001 to 2013. A graduate of Princeton University and New York University, Mueller served as a Marine Corps officer during the Vietnam War, receiving a Bronze Star for heroism and a Purple Heart. He subsequently attended the University of Virginia School of Law. Mueller is a registered Republican in Washington, D.C., and was appointed and reappointed to Senate-confirmed positions by presidents George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama.[4][5] Mueller has served both in government and private practice. He was an assistant United States attorney, a United States attorney, United States assistant attorney general for the Criminal Division, a homicide prosecutor in Washington, D.C., acting United States deputy attorney general, partner at D.C. law firm WilmerHale and director of the FBI. Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current president of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality. Born and raised in Queens, New York City, Trump attended Fordham University for two years and received a bachelor's degree in economics from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. He became president of his father Fred Trump's real estate business in 1971, renamed it The Trump Organization, and expanded its operations to building or renovating skyscrapers, hotels, casinos, and golf courses. Trump later started various side ventures, mostly by licensing his name. Trump and his businesses have been involved in more than 4,000 state and federal legal actions, including six bankruptcies. He owned the Miss Universe brand of beauty pageants from 1996 to 2015, and produced and hosted the reality television series The Apprentice from 2004 to 2015. Trump's political positions have been described as populist, protectionist, isolationist, and nationalist. He entered the 2016 presidential race as a Republican and was elected in a surprise electoral college victory over Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton while losing the popular vote.[a] He became the oldest first-term U.S. president and the first without prior military or government service. His election and policies have sparked numerous protests. Trump has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented by fact-checkers, and the media have widely described the phenomenon as unprecedented in American politics. Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist. 1
Q-baby! Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 😂😂😂😂😂 Later Trump and your loser followers!!!😂😂😂😂😂
WideNine Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Will investigate? They've had the Senate for four years and held the house from 2017-2019... If they're going to investigate, what the hell are they waiting for? Why would anyone care what Hunter Biden has or has not done. He's a grown ass man with his own business that no one has tied to his dad - and yes, they have tried. The GOP could have videos showing Hunter in a room full of hookers in leather sex bondage gear taking a break from playing strip poker with Putin to snort a line with Trump Jr. and all it would mean is that Joe Biden's son was a POS. 3
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 55 minutes ago, WideNine said: 1 hour ago, WideNine said: Let's just look at the first summary lines that wiki has on Mueller and your boy Trump Per Wiki: "Herr Mueller" as you call him Robert Swan Mueller III (/ˈmʌlər/; born August 7, 1944) is an American lawyer and government official who served as the sixth Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) from 2001 to 2013. A graduate of Princeton University and New York University, Mueller served as a Marine Corps officer during the Vietnam War, receiving a Bronze Star for heroism and a Purple Heart. He subsequently attended the University of Virginia School of Law. Mueller is a registered Republican in Washington, D.C., and was appointed and reappointed to Senate-confirmed positions by presidents George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama.[4][5] Mueller has served both in government and private practice. He was an assistant United States attorney, a United States attorney, United States assistant attorney general for the Criminal Division, a homicide prosecutor in Washington, D.C., acting United States deputy attorney general, partner at D.C. law firm WilmerHale and director of the FBI. Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current president of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality. Born and raised in Queens, New York City, Trump attended Fordham University for two years and received a bachelor's degree in economics from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. He became president of his father Fred Trump's real estate business in 1971, renamed it The Trump Organization, and expanded its operations to building or renovating skyscrapers, hotels, casinos, and golf courses. Trump later started various side ventures, mostly by licensing his name. Trump and his businesses have been involved in more than 4,000 state and federal legal actions, including six bankruptcies. He owned the Miss Universe brand of beauty pageants from 1996 to 2015, and produced and hosted the reality television series The Apprentice from 2004 to 2015. Trump's political positions have been described as populist, protectionist, isolationist, and nationalist. He entered the 2016 presidential race as a Republican and was elected in a surprise electoral college victory over Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton while losing the popular vote.[a] He became the oldest first-term U.S. president and the first without prior military or government service. His election and policies have sparked numerous protests. Trump has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented by fact-checkers, and the media have widely described the phenomenon as unprecedented in American politics. Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist. 441 more words, most from ”the wiki”. We’re up to 1262 separated entries you took the time to research, copy and paste and still refuse to pull the details of das Mueller report forward. What’s so hard about this? I’m not a military veteran, have a tremendous amount of respect for those that serve, but simply do not pledge undying respect and devotion to an individual because of that service. This is where I’d ask you about General Michael Flynn, post from the wiki, ask you to acknowledge his exemplary military status and the malicious prosecution that you likely applauded. Why bother? Let’s move on. This dialogue is going nowhere fast.
WideNine Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: 441 more words, most from ”the wiki”. We’re up to 1262 separated entries you took the time to research, copy and paste and still refuse to pull the details of das Mueller report forward. What’s so hard about this? you reading the info apparently? I already posted the link to the Senate Intel Committee report which leverages and quotes the Mueller report details, and provided salient findings of the same. I’m not a military veteran, have a tremendous amount of respect for those that serve, but simply do not pledge undying respect and devotion to an individual because of that service. And yet you pledge yours to a draft-dodging serial liar.... . This is where I’d ask you about General Michael Flynn, post from the wiki, ask you to acknowledge his exemplary military status and the malicious prosecution that you likely applauded. Flynn indeed has a great military record, but a less stellar career after with some dubious dealings with RT and Turkey, improper omissions on his government security access application section 20 SF-86 (which they allowed him to correct and post date where he reveals he had taken over 500,000 as a lobbyist for Turkey ), and he lied to Federal investigators. Anyone does that and they will get slapped, it was hardly malicious prosecution - no one forced him to perjure himself. Had he just stuck to the plea and verdict he had sworn to while under oath before a federal judge, I doubt he would have seen the inside of a jail. Heck, Trump's former campaign advisor Manafort is guilty of a whole hell of a lot more and he was released to home confinement where he can binge-watch NetFlix and sip cocktails. I have read through the entire "notorious" Flynn transcript of his call with the Russian ambassador before taking his cabinet position and meh. He did ask the Russians not to retaliate regarding the Obama expulsion of Russians in the US in response to their election meddling and that they could smooth things over in the new Trump administration - maybe he was a proponent for rolling back the Magnitsky act, but that's conjecture so to me it was improper, but a contextual nothing-burger. It was not Dems, but Mike Pence who had him booted from his Trump administration cabinet position because he swore to Pence he had not had any prior contact with the Russians and Pence backed him on national tv, only to have the taped calls come out that showed he lied to him. Brilliant military career, I actually think some of his strategic take on the middle east is sound policy, but the man keeps getting in trouble for lying on record. 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Why bother? Let’s move on. This dialogue is going nowhere fast. Truth.
Kemp Posted November 21, 2020 Author Posted November 21, 2020 16 hours ago, snafu said: So what you're saying is this has been done before. I'm not saying that two wrongs make things right but holy hell, this post of yours can easily apply to 2016. You're right. I forgot about Hillary not conceding, her attempts to overturn the results of an American Presidential election, and when she tried to strong arm electors. 19 hours ago, shoshin said: I see you're back to tossing insults today. Your civility was nice while it lasted I guess. Let me repeat with bold what you just responded to. It's possible to live in a world where instead of assuming the worst about people, we give them the benefit of the doubt. This is not a lesson I impart from my high horse. It's something I struggle with every day. As I've pointed out multiple times on this site, when they insult, it's odd how sexuality often creeps into their insults. Coincidence? 1
TBBills Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 Another million people have fallen under the poverty line... Meanwhile Trump's golf score looking good.
shoshin Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 Are gems like this from Trump’s elite legal strike force being covered on Parler and in other echo chambers? 5
aristocrat Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 8 hours ago, WideNine said: Why would anyone care what Hunter Biden has or has not done. He's a grown ass man with his own business that no one has tied to his dad - and yes, they have tried. The GOP could have videos showing Hunter in a room full of hookers in leather sex bondage gear taking a break from playing strip poker with Putin to snort a line with Trump Jr. and all it would mean is that Joe Biden's son was a POS. Just like trump didn’t collude with Russia it doesn’t matter. You create the appearance of impropriety and run wild with the story. You ask the average dem voter and they say trump conspired with Russia cause people went to jail. But when you tell them they didn’t go to jail for anything to do with Russia they don’t know what to say. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 6 hours ago, WideNine said: It seems to me that you are becoming increasingly agitated and slightly unhinged. You’ve made wild allegations about mysterious “cults”, odd characterizations about “pledging loyalty” apparently in some internet blood oath, you’ve offered in support of your position a passage from Wikipedia where any bugger-flicking middle schooler with an internet connection can add to the ‘facts’, chose to die on the hill of a government lifer roundly excoriated by both sides of the aisle for authoring a report that cost $31m and went nowhere fast, and trotted out strategically meaningless words like “leveraged”. If you can post the relevant parts of the 448 page report by Robert Mueller to support your wild-assed but gratuitously verbose claims, I would appreciate it. Just post the part that resulted in Donald J. Trump, the 45th President of The United States of America (according to your go-to The Wiki) being lead from office in cuffs, provided the undisputed smoking gun evidence of wrong-doing by DJT, resulted in him being removed from office immediately upon release of the report or anything else from the report you feel supports your claim. I would appreciate it if you stopped to consider the highly charged and hyper-partisan bent to the investigation, the unnecessary recusal that lead us to the point when Mueller crumbled and bumbled his way through the testimony, and the information that has been revealed about the Mueller’s investigation itself in the time since he returned to the Shady Acres Retirement Home. i would also appreciate it if you tried to steer clear of characterizations, insults and what seems to be a contrived attempt to rage like a high school cheerleader that just broke up with her bf. I understand your pain, your undying devotion to truth and Wikipedia and your assertion that in politics, R=R=R always (duh), but can you just go to the gosh-durn report? Regards.
snafu Posted November 21, 2020 Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Kemp said: You're right. I forgot about Hillary not conceding, her attempts to overturn the results of an American Presidential election, and when she tried to strong arm electors. Maybe Trump is taking Hillary’s advice to Biden from earlier this year regarding conceding. https://www.washingtonpost.com And she didn’t disavow this beauty: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/14/celebrities_led_by_martin_sheen_beg_republican_electors_not_to_vote_for_trump.html By the way — go back and re-read what I said.
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