If Trump loses and refuses to leave

[Kemp]

4 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I edited my post.  Care to reply to that?

 

Sure.

 

What irregularities?

 

The ones that judges keep laughing out of court?

[shoshin]

8 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Wow

 

 

 

 

She's like the post office guy recanting his recant. Quite a hero. 

[jrober38]

17 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

All you’ve done here is grandstanded, lad.  You’ve offered a narrow world view based on your small view of the world, positioned it as fact and believe you have deftly backed me into a corner. 
 

If the destination has been reached you wouldn’t have to say anything further, yet you did, because you’re wrong. 
 

The “reality” as you see it is nothing of the sort, there are 70m Americans patiently waiting for the answer to so many questions.   
 

His lawyers...simply not true.  He has some of the most vaunted legal minds in the county working on his behalf. 
 

As you said, he has a few legal chances left and for reasons I don’t understand you want him to be able to pursue those challenges.  That’s not the way our system works. 
 

As I said, rest easy.  You’ve already said you know what’s going to happen—it silly to waste your breath on this with me.  

 

Trump is now 1-28 in court.

 

You guys are patiently waiting, and hoping, for something that literally has no chance of happening, BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.

 

If Trump had vaunted legal minds working for him, he wouldn't have Rudy Guliani filing last minute requests to get registered as a lawyer in the states where they want to contest the election. You'd think they'd already have qualified lawyers in those states working on these cases of fraud, but they don't. 

 

I'm not saying he can't do anything, I'm just saying he looks like a complete moron for doing what he's doing. 

[shoshin]

14 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

So attack the messenger and not the message is the reaction.

Maybe there’s something to this Wayne County thing. Just sayin.  If the reason for the failure to certify was BS then why not just report that?

 

 

Proof of fraud remains with the people making the allegations. So far 0-fer-78 million votes and counting. 

 

At best they have found a few hundred errors, and it's not even clear they benefitted Trump vs. Biden. 

 

I thought Trump had a shot at winning. I can't believe Trumpers are su surprised that Biden won. It was close. You win some, you lose some. In all my presidential votes cast, this is the first time I voted for the guy who won, and although I've never wanted the guy who won before, I've always acknowledged his victory. And many times, the election was a lot closer than this one. Trump just has cast quite a spell on America, both over those that support him and those that oppose him. He IS the danger of populism.

[snafu]

Just now, Kemp said:

 

Sure.

 

What irregularities?

 

The ones that judges keep laughing out of court?

 

Computer glitches that always go in Biden’s favor.

Found batches of votes that weren’t counted in Georgia that would have favored Trump.

Wayne County having more votes than voters in certain precincts.

Justice Alito saying that the Secretary of State In PA can’t change the rules after voting has commenced in that state.

Claims that thousands in Nevada voted in other states, as well.

Lockstep reporting that there was NO fraud morphing into, there wasn’t MUCH fraud. 

 

I’m not talking about the stupid one-off stuff like dead grandmothers and husbands.  These the vote totals in the many thousands that always go Biden’s way. Never Trump’s way.  Find me votes examples and I will be silent on this issue.  As I said, the Biden favoritism likely isn’t enough to push Trump over Biden, but the more that is actually uncovered, the more credibile are the claims. And then do you trust democracy?  Wouldn’t you want problems in our voting processes ironed out? Don’t you want a result that everyone can trust? Why do you support calls to end inquiry and laugh the claims off as insignificant? If you’re truly aggrieved, you’d want a fair hearing.  If you lose after a fair hearing, then you lose.

 

You’re in favor of having everyone bury their head and say something like, “well, it’s Trump, so all good”. That’s a “you problem”.  And if too many people have that same “you problem”, then who’s the REAL threat to our democracy?

 

 

 

[shoshin]

17 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

His lawyers...simply not true.  He has some of the most vaunted legal minds in the county working on his behalf. 
 

 

Can you provide a link for this, because I can provide you a link to some of the things Trump's lead attorney (who hadn't appeared in federal court in almost 30 years) said yesterday in the Circuit Court in PA that would contradict that. 

[jrober38]

Also, this is a link to some of the stuff William Hartmann, ie one of the GOP election board officials in Wayne County has on his Facebook.

 

Seems like a really normal guy, who doesn't at all believe in conspiracy theories.

 

https://twitter.com/DelWilber/status/1328860684352950278

Edited November 19, 2020 by jrober38

[Kemp]

1 minute ago, snafu said:

 

Computer glitches that always go in Biden’s favor.

Found batches of votes that weren’t counted in Georgia that would have favored Trump.

Wayne County having more votes than voters in certain precincts.

Justice Alito saying that the Secretary of State In PA can’t change the rules after voting has commenced in that state.

Claims that thousands in Nevada voted in other states, as well.

Lockstep reporting that there was NO fraud morphing into, there wasn’t MUCH fraud. 

 

I’m not talking about the stupid one-off stuff like dead grandmothers and husbands.  These the vote totals in the many thousands that always go Biden’s way. Never Trump’s way.  Find me votes examples and I will be silent on this issue.  As I said, the Biden favoritism likely isn’t enough to push Trump over Biden, but the more that is actually uncovered, the more credibile are the claims. And then do you trust democracy?  Wouldn’t you want problems in our voting processes ironed out? Don’t you want a result that everyone can trust? Why do you support calls to end inquiry and laugh the claims off as insignificant? If you’re truly aggrieved, you’d want a fair hearing.  If you lose after a fair hearing, then you lose.

 

You’re in favor of having everyone bury their head and say something like, “well, it’s Trump, so all good”. That’s a “you problem”.  And if too many people have that same “you problem”, then who’s the REAL threat to our democracy?

 

 

 

 

Translation:

Lots of claims from Trump and his supporters. Evidence? Who needs that?

One by one they get disproven.

Everything keeps getting tossed out by the courts. Are they part of a vast left-wing conspiracy, too?

 

[jrober38]

16 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Computer glitches that always go in Biden’s favor.

Found batches of votes that weren’t counted in Georgia that would have favored Trump.

Wayne County having more votes than voters in certain precincts.

Justice Alito saying that the Secretary of State In PA can’t change the rules after voting has commenced in that state.

Claims that thousands in Nevada voted in other states, as well.

Lockstep reporting that there was NO fraud morphing into, there wasn’t MUCH fraud.

 

 

Aside from Alito saying they could review it later, none of these things actually happened.

Edited November 19, 2020 by jrober38

[TBBills]

43 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

What do you mean “wow what?” 

It is a big deal for the validity of Michigan’s results. Certifying is usually a rubber stamp move. Two people — the people who actually look at the ballots and voting rolls — refused to certify. Have you bothered to ask why besides assuming that this is partisan BS? It may be just that, but failing to certify is a big deal and the two officials may actually have a good reason as to why. 

 

 

 

Do you assume that the liars, the stupid ones, and the pure scum are only of one political party?

The threat to democracy isn’t ONLY Trump’s actions, is it ALSO the simple minded dismissal of his claims out of hand. 

 

Have you wondered why all the irregularities seem to favor Biden?  Whether there’s enough to overcome the result that has been reported is doubtful.  But does it not make you wonder whether there’s some credibility behind Trump’s claims?  The threat to democracy is the prevention of hearing his claims, the stoppage of an investigation of the claims. 

 

I dont really care care who ultimately prevails. I’m not going to protest in the streets. I just prefer to see whether the electoral machine is actually broken and needs to be repaired. Does that make me stupid or evil?

 

The threat to democracy is just as much people like you who throw out binary choices when you denigrate those who aren’t in lockstep with your beliefs.  It is a threat when the plan is to win at all costs (and perhaps that includes cheating) just because the President has a personality disorder.

 

Looks like you have a “you problem”.

 

 

 

Oh you believe that ***** lol

 

Why are republicans so quick to believe hearsay even after all these other tweets over the weeks have been proven false? Yet you have people like this poor fool thinking it's real without any proof... All that tweet is trying to do is get retweets and clicks.

Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills

[Kemp]

8 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Can you provide a link for this, because I can provide you a link to some of the things Trump's lead attorney (who hadn't appeared in federal court in almost 30 years) said yesterday in the Circuit Court in PA that would contradict that. 

 

Trump's lead, vaunted attorney.

 

[RochesterRob]

9 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Translation:

Lots of claims from Trump and his supporters. Evidence? Who needs that?

One by one they get disproven.

Everything keeps getting tossed out by the courts. Are they part of a vast left-wing conspiracy, too?

 

  You must have a voice driven computer.  That would be the only way you could respond when both your hands are over your eyes or ears.

[shoshin]

 

Some real gems early in this thread. 

[snafu]

20 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

 

Aside from Alito saying they could review it later, none of these things actually happened.

 

You're only partially right. Michigan wasn’t computer glitches, it was human error. Garbage in, garbage out, I guess, right?  Does it make anyone feel better that it was human error (purposeful or not)?  I never said that the totals affect the outcome, I just mused as to why the errors all go Biden’s way.  https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/michigan-software-glitch-didnt-switch-votes/507-d8caddb3-71da-4125-85be-9c8c124f66b7

 

Here’s the news from Georgia.  Looks like these things DID happen.  Whaddya know, more human error in Joe’s favor. There’s more about Georgia. I only copied this one link for you.  https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/secretary-states-office-finds-another-memory-card-with-hundreds-votes/2Q4TF34UVJEEFGE4EEB3FTMFGI/

 

Here’s the news from Wayne County.  Voter rolls vs. votes cast were “out of balance” in Wayne County. Brushed off as more human error going in one direction.  Makes you wonder what’s inside the catchall phrase “human error”. https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-local-elections-michigan-64c18e12e0d409d9629871cda3c07293

 

So so there’s three of those things that *did* actually happen.  

And Alito.

And I’m not bothering with Nevada.  My point is made. 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Oh you believe that ***** lol

 

Why are republicans so quick to believe hearsay even after all these other tweets over the weeks have been proven false? Yet you have people like this poor fool thinking it's real without any proof... All that tweet is trying to do is get retweets and clicks.

 

Read the AP article above instead of cowering under your partisan blanket. There are 4 people who looked at the votes and voter rolls in Wayne County.  Two of them say that the numbers are off and wouldn’t certify.  Did you look at the votes? The reply was, as usual, “human error”. At this point I don’t know what to believe other than: not you.  I am willing to let things play out. You’re not.  

 

 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

You're only partially right. Michigan wasn’t computer glitches, it was human error. Garbage in, garbage out, I guess, right?  Does it make anyone feel better that it was human error (purposeful or not)?  I never said that the totals affect the outcome, I just mused as to why the errors all go Biden’s way.  https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/michigan-software-glitch-didnt-switch-votes/507-d8caddb3-71da-4125-85be-9c8c124f66b7

 

Here’s the news from Georgia.  Looks like these things DID happen.  Whaddya know, more human error in Joe’s favor. There’s more about Georgia. I only copied this one link for you.  https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/secretary-states-office-finds-another-memory-card-with-hundreds-votes/2Q4TF34UVJEEFGE4EEB3FTMFGI/

 

Here’s the news from Wayne County.  Voter rolls vs. votes cast were “out of balance” in Wayne County. Brushed off as more human error going in one direction.  Makes you wonder what’s inside the catchall phrase “human error”. https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-local-elections-michigan-64c18e12e0d409d9629871cda3c07293

 

So so there’s three of those things that *did* actually happen.  

And Alito.

And I’m not bothering with Nevada.  My point is made. 

 

 

 

In every election there is a smattering of human error that affects a few votes.  Note: a few votes.  There has never been, nor would I say there will ever be, mistakes that result in a problem with tens of thousands of ballots in multiple states.  Unless it is deliberate.   And only one party in this election seems to want to use illegal tactics to throw the election.

 

Oh , and a recount in Georgia found a few votes that favor Trump.  So there goes you theory that they only work in Biden's favor.

[jrober38]

6 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

You're only partially right. Michigan wasn’t computer glitches, it was human error. Garbage in, garbage out, I guess, right?  Does it make anyone feel better that it was human error (purposeful or not)?  I never said that the totals affect the outcome, I just mused as to why the errors all go Biden’s way.  https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/michigan-software-glitch-didnt-switch-votes/507-d8caddb3-71da-4125-85be-9c8c124f66b7

 

Here’s the news from Georgia.  Looks like these things DID happen.  Whaddya know, more human error in Joe’s favor. There’s more about Georgia. I only copied this one link for you.  https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/secretary-states-office-finds-another-memory-card-with-hundreds-votes/2Q4TF34UVJEEFGE4EEB3FTMFGI/

 

Here’s the news from Wayne County.  Voter rolls vs. votes cast were “out of balance” in Wayne County. Brushed off as more human error going in one direction.  Makes you wonder what’s inside the catchall phrase “human error”. https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-local-elections-michigan-64c18e12e0d409d9629871cda3c07293

 

So so there’s three of those things that *did* actually happen.  

And Alito.

And I’m not bothering with Nevada.  My point is made. 

 

The first two things were corrected though.

 

None of these things happened, and they were like, screw it, lets not correct our mistake. They did fix the errors. 

This is like saying a football team lost a game because of a call that replay overturned. Doesn't make much sense, or matter in the longrun. 

 

Also the Wayne County stuff is all BS. Michigan allows same day voter registration, so obviously their rolls from before the election aren't going to accurate reflect the people who actually voted. 

Edited November 19, 2020 by jrober38

[TBBills]

7 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

You're only partially right. Michigan wasn’t computer glitches, it was human error. Garbage in, garbage out, I guess, right?  Does it make anyone feel better that it was human error (purposeful or not)?  I never said that the totals affect the outcome, I just mused as to why the errors all go Biden’s way.  https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/michigan-software-glitch-didnt-switch-votes/507-d8caddb3-71da-4125-85be-9c8c124f66b7

 

Here’s the news from Georgia.  Looks like these things DID happen.  Whaddya know, more human error in Joe’s favor. There’s more about Georgia. I only copied this one link for you.  https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/secretary-states-office-finds-another-memory-card-with-hundreds-votes/2Q4TF34UVJEEFGE4EEB3FTMFGI/

 

Here’s the news from Wayne County.  Voter rolls vs. votes cast were “out of balance” in Wayne County. Brushed off as more human error going in one direction.  Makes you wonder what’s inside the catchall phrase “human error”. https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-local-elections-michigan-64c18e12e0d409d9629871cda3c07293

 

So so there’s three of those things that *did* actually happen.  

And Alito.

And I’m not bothering with Nevada.  My point is made. 

 

 

 

 

Read the AP article above instead of cowering under your partisan blanket. There are 4 people who looked at the votes and voter rolls in Wayne County.  Two of them say that the numbers are off and wouldn’t certify.  Did you look at the votes? The reply was, as usual, “human error”. At this point I don’t know what to believe other than: not you.  I am willing to let things play out. You’re not.  

 

 

You are willing to let things play out as long as it fits your agenda... Don't forget that part. You are still making things up as you go to fit your agenda of these stories.

Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills

[snafu]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

In every election there is a smattering of human error that affects a few votes.  Note: a few votes.  There has never been, nor would I say there will ever be, mistakes that result in a problem with tens of thousands of ballots in multiple states.  Unless it is deliberate.   And only one party in this election seems to want to use illegal tactics to throw the election.

 

Oh , and a recount in Georgia found a few votes that favor Trump.  So there goes you theory that they only work in Biden's favor.

 

My question was — why does the human error only favor Biden. It isn’t a smattering when you’re talking about tens of thousands in concentrated districts.  My question wasn’t a statement about pushing Trump over the top. In fact I’ve said this in repeated posts so people don’t get my intentions wrong (this is also a response to @jrober38). And the human error in Georgia was withholding the votes that favored trump (a result which favors Biden). So my theory remains intact. 

 

[Big Blitz]

Well Matt that's the private sector.  They get stuff done.  

 

But let's put the government in charge of more stuff.  

 

 

[snafu]

3 minutes ago, TBBills said:

You are willing to let things play out as long as it fits your agenda... Don't forget that part. You are still making things up as you go to fit your agenda of these stories.

 

Bull Schittt. 

You don’t know me or whether I have an agenda. I already said (just this morning) that I’m not interested in who wins or loses.  It will have little effect on my life for the next 4 years.