njbuff Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Surprised this hasn't been closed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman Kelly Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 If you've never heard of a "black national anthem" before this week (like I haven't), that's a pretty good indication that there is no such thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 6:49 PM, JerseyBills said: I see alot of comments very upset and saying they're done with the NFL. Is this further dividing things? I personally don't have a big issue with it but I don't like politics in my sports. Thoughts? https://www.yahoo.com/sports/-nfl-to-play-black-national-anthem-before-the-star-spangled-banner-at-week-1-games-211305337.html So we have one Anthem for black people and the old Anthem for everyone else ? Great idea to get this country united !! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krf139 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Eddiegoofball said: I'm so tired of this rationale. The Star Spangled banner was written in 1814 to celebrate the valor and courage of white men because women weren't allowed to fight or vote back then, black folks were slaves and most of the other colors in between who helped lay the groundwork of the melting pot that is America hadn't arrived yet. While it's expected to be a song for all Americans, it was not written from that perspective. It was written by a slave owner. Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing, the black national anthem was written in the early 1900's in the midst of Jim Crow times. It's not like it was written last week or anything. What is so threatening about equality? Bottom line is saying something is “black” is racist. We are one America with one national anthem. I’m sick of the pandering 5 minutes ago, Putin said: So we have one Anthem for black people and the old Anthem for everyone else ? Great idea to get this country united !! They don’t want unity - that’s the problem 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, krf139 said: Bottom line is saying something is “black” is racist. We are one America with one national anthem. I’m sick of the pandering They don’t want unity - that’s the problem Well said !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 As long as they play football they can play the Russian National Anthem for all I care. 19 minutes ago, Putin said: So we have one Anthem for black people and the old Anthem for everyone else ? Great idea to get this country united !! I don't think unity is the goal. Revenge is the goal. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddiegoofball Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, krf139 said: Bottom line is saying something is “black” is racist. We are one America with one national anthem. I’m sick of the pandering They don’t want unity - that’s the problem So the drive to equality to you is pandering? The point is that many people of color and marginalized people feel like this national anthem was not written for them (and we know that it was not) and doesn't really apply to them. The faces of America are not the same as they were in 1814, nor 1914. I wish we were one America as you say. Sadly decades, even centuries of painful history have proven that is not the case. The way to unite this country is to be honest about our history and problems and learn from them, even evolve a little, not continued denial. Equating equality to pandering isn't a way forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 59 minutes ago, krf139 said: Bottom line is saying something is “black” is racist. We are one America with one national anthem. I’m sick of the pandering They don’t want unity - that’s the problem Who are "they"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 17 hours ago, Beast said: LOL....yeah, seriously because I was around then and never has ANY serious discussion taken place about changing the anthem. I recall it mentioned because vocalists struggle with the octave changes, not for any other reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Eddiegoofball said: So the drive to equality to you is pandering? The point is that many people of color and marginalized people feel like this national anthem was not written for them (and we know that it was not) and doesn't really apply to them. The faces of America are not the same as they were in 1814, nor 1914. I wish we were one America as you say. Sadly decades, even centuries of painful history have proven that is not the case. The way to unite this country is to be honest about our history and problems and learn from them, even evolve a little, not continued denial. Equating equality to pandering isn't a way forward. Very nicely said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 There is only one national anthem. United we stand divided we fall 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 10:28 PM, Motorin' said: That's not really an implication. It's pretty much historically accurate. Black people didn't have rights as citizens when the national anthem was written, and there's an unsung verse that threatens black people with death who fought for their freedom against slavery. Black people had 0 input into what the national anthem should be, and it was only enacted as the national anthem by executive order of a KKK admiring democratic president. Playing the song in question, which is deeply spiritual and far more Christian than Francis Scott Keys tune is no different than singing God Bless America before a game... The third verse is very poignant: God of our weary yearsGod of our silent tearsThou who has brought us thus far on the wayThou who has by Thy mightLed us into the lightKeep us forever in the path, we prayLest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met TheeLest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget TheeShadowed beneath Thy handMay we forever standTrue to our GodTrue to our native land THANK YOU!!!! I didn't want to br the one who points that out. FREEMEN.. slaves who couldnt take flight and fear of the graves.... why don't wer Sing the whole song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwriter Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I say we skip the National Anthem and play the Shaq theme song instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) The world is changing, and I get it, and I am fine with it. HOWEVER, I wonder if any of these guys, ANY OF THEM, from players to coaches to owners, have the guts to do any outward manifestation to show support for victims of NFL players’ domestic violence against woman and children...above and beyond saying they are part of some organization off the field. Something they show on the field before the game. Possibly prostrating themselves, even during the national anthem (should it remain) in a show of support of all those innocents who have suffered at the hands of NFL players, while more often than not they go relatively unpunished. So honestly, I am down with what they feel they need to do and what they want to do to to get their message across. ...but the mirror has two faces and if you are going to be courageous...then for crying out loud don’t stop short. Edited July 4, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 19 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: As part Jew and part Egyptian, I must say... do you think the pyramids and Spynx are gonna upkeep themselves? Leon was a great boxer, but I’d say Michael was a true champ. Still, the pyramids will last much longer than both of them (even though they’re both in great shape for their age.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 8:03 PM, GETTOTHE50 said: Does every race in America have a national anthem? I’m curious b/c this is the first time I’ve heard of a black one. Has every race in America been enslaved for 250 years, deprived of their rights as American citizens for another 100+ years, and subjected to widespread racial violence up to the present day? The Black national anthem, "Lift Every Voice and Sing" is a poem written by James Weldon Johnson in 1905 and set to music by his brother J. Rosalind Weldon. It was named the "***** national anthem" by the NCAAP in 1919. It's included in more than 30 different hymnals and is sung in numerous churches across the country, and not just in black churches. That you and so many white Americans have never heard of the existence of a "Black national anthem" is a reflection of how much of the history of Black Americans has been buried. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) On 7/2/2020 at 9:22 PM, Muppy said: I agree in premise to what you are saying but adding a black anthem Makes it about a song...saying the existing song doesn't represent them hence needing their own. The root cause isnt the song but adding one puts the onus ON the song vs making necessary changes so we can be united as Americans under One anthem. The idea of a second anthem makes me sad. If they do add this I'd stand for both but it still makes me feel divided not United. Which may be their point but will it help institute change? I guess the point is that this is how black people have always felt. This song isn’t a new thing. It is just new to white people. We are “adding” the black anthem to pre-game festivities but not to black culture. The song is over 100 years old. Edited July 4, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Has every race in America been enslaved for 250 years, deprived of their rights as American citizens for another 100+ years, and subjected to widespread racial violence up to the present day? The Black national anthem, "Lift Every Voice and Sing" is a poem written by James Weldon Johnson in 1905 and set to music by his brother J. Rosalind Weldon. It was named the "***** national anthem" by the NCAAP in 1919. It's included in more than 30 different hymnals and is sung in numerous churches across the country, and not just in black churches. That you and so many white Americans have never heard of the existence of a "Black national anthem" is a reflection of how much of the history of Black Americans has been buried. EXACTLY. The ignorance is just mesmerizing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 wth is the black national anthem? Never heard of it. Don't really care, but the changes getting made by BLM are a joke, (Again none of them bother me) but none of this stuff is going to make the lives of black people any better. Remove some statues, change product names, fire a bunch of openly racists on facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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