JustWinPlease Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 Backup QB...and it's not even close. If Allen goes down for any amount of time, say goodbye to the season.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 Channeling Dr. Crane's critique of Cliff's trivia napkin, "this isn't a thread, it's a cry for help". 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 16 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: I’m pretty surprised the Bills as a contender didn’t take out an insurance policy for Josh Allen. With Newton in the fold this division is going to be a dogfight and if Barkley/Fromm has to start meaningful games that could be the difference. I know you guys love Beane/McDermott and they are doing a great job, but to me they made a mistake here. Every team in the division has proven QBs behind their starter with the exception of the prohibitive favorite. So, about Sam Darnold....Joe Flacco and Mike White, seriously? If they have to start meaningful games that could be the difference. What exactly has Flacco proven except that he's done, stick a fork in him? Jets made a mistake here. What has Stidham proven? or Tua for that matter? Most teams have a huge step-down in talent going from the starter to the backup 2 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said: Backup QB...and it's not even close. If Allen goes down for any amount of time, say goodbye to the season. Yeah - as is the case with pretty much every team in the last forever. There's the occaisional lightning in a bottle (Brady, Warner, Foles) - but for the most part you end up with guys closer to Charlie Whitehurst, Drew Stanton, and Matt Moore. A few teams prioritized it more this year - Jets, Raiders, Cowboys. But the jets offense was an absolute crater with the guys they had in there, so flacco's basically matt schaub in there - he gives you a shot. Raiders i think liked mariota to compete. Dalton was insurance in case dak didn't report (dak has missed 0 games since entering the league). 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So, about Sam Darnold....Joe Flacco and Mike White, seriously? If they have to start meaningful games that could be the difference. What exactly has Flacco proven except that he's done, stick a fork in him? Jets made a mistake here. What has Stidham proven? or Tua for that matter? Most teams have a huge step-down in talent going from the starter to the backup In the 3 games without darnold last year the Jets offense scored 9 points. They also averaged 165 total yards across those 3 weeks. So i think there was room for improvement from - worst offense in the history of football 1
Jerome007 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 18 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Every NFL team that is a legit Super Bowl contender has a backup QB problem EXCEPT Dallas who has Dalton who I think can do a pretty good job still on that Dallas team if Captain Overpaid gets hurt. So this thread is a bit silly, as just about most teams have the same hole. What happens if Brady goes down in TB? Mahomes goes down in KC? Jimmy G goes down in SF? Wilson goes down in Seattle? Rodgers goes down in GB? Brees goes down for Saints? And so on and so on. I mean none of those teams are super bowl contenders on paper with their current backup QB starting instead. And I said "on paper" because you never know what can happen when one of these unheralded guys steps on a field. No one saw Hostettler leading the Giants to the Super Bowl when Simms got hurt over Kelly and the Bills. No one saw Brady taking over for Bledsoe and making and winning a SB. So anything is possible, but the point is, on paper all of the other SB contenders are in a similar spot as Bills in terms of what it looks like on paper is sitting on the bench behind their starting QB's. So this isnt a unique problem to the Bills. Again, only Dallas has a legit proven quality backup capable of doing a similar job to Dak if he was to get hurt. Thats a RARE commodity in the NFL...very rare. Exactly! I was to write a similar post but no need to now. There is this thing called SALARY CAP. Plus, great players are not magically put on shelves for GMs to pick up nor stock up. Every team has holes, and every team wished it didn't. In the East, Darnold and Flacco seem the best duo when it comes to depth... but IMO they pale compared to the #1 of other teams. And the rumor is that Cam might be the backup in NE. They'll likely have a legit QB competition there for #1 spot, none is given yet.
PromoTheRobot Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 18 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: I’m pretty surprised the Bills as a contender didn’t take out an insurance policy for Josh Allen. With Newton in the fold this division is going to be a dogfight and if Barkley/Fromm has to start meaningful games that could be the difference. I know you guys love Beane/McDermott and they are doing a great job, but to me they made a mistake here. Every team in the division has proven QBs behind their starter with the exception of the prohibitive favorite. I knew I would regret clicking on this. 2
John from Riverside Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 5 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: The Jets completely quit on Todd Bowles that game. I think Barkley’s overall body of work speaks for itself. The Bills had ample opportunities to upgrade that position this offseason and decided not to. Its the most important position on the field. If Allen can’t beat out Joe Flacco, Colt McCoy, Andy Dalton, Jameis Winston, or Marcus Marietta than he’s probably not the guy. You missed the entire point.....but....you are a jets fan so
Logic Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 6 hours ago, ScottLaw said: You want a back up who can come in and win you a few games if your starter is out. Someone who can keep the ship afloat... if Allen is out for a 4-5 weeks, the Bills are screwed. They'll lose every game with Fromm/Barkley. The master of hyperbole, exaggeration, and pessimism is at it again. At least you’re consistent.
Lofton80 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 Punter is a problem. The guy has costly shanks at inopportune times. Field position cannot be given away so easily.
Kemp Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 If there is a season, which I still doubt, Josh Allen will either become a good enough QB or head to the scrap heap.
blacklabel Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) Meh. I think they'll be alright. Barkley isn't too bad. And Fromm seems like he can pick up on a scheme pretty good. If he had to go in, they would probably be a bit limited in terms of how deep into the playbook they can go, as is the case with any young quarterbacks. Josh is a big fella. And all reports this off-season are that he's beefed up and ready to go. https://giphy.com/gifs/southparkgifs-l0HlNsqRcBSNInrzO Edit: I'll be a buttmonkey's uncle if I can remember how to make gifs appear in posts. Dapgummit! Can someone remind me? Thanks. Edited June 30, 2020 by blacklabel
Don Otreply Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 21 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: I’m pretty surprised the Bills as a contender didn’t take out an insurance policy for Josh Allen. With Newton in the fold this division is going to be a dogfight and if Barkley/Fromm has to start meaningful games that could be the difference. I know you guys love Beane/McDermott and they are doing a great job, but to me they made a mistake here. Every team in the division has proven QBs behind their starter with the exception of the prohibitive favorite. Oh please, just stop, now we know why you got booted off gang green... 1
MJS Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Who are the Bills beating with that schedule with Barkley starting? Jets and Dolphins, at least.
msw2112 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) With a strong defensive effort, the Bills can compete with almost anyone in the league, even with a backup QB at the helm. Barkley is no world beater, but he's an NFL veteran who has been with the team long enough to know the playbook very well. We should have a good OL, good RBs and good pass catchers, so I don't think the entire thing unravels if Barkley has to play a few games. I don't see us outscoring the Chiefs, but that's only one game. There's no reason we can't compete with the bottom 25 or so teams with a backup QB if the defense plays well. And if Fromm somehow rises to the occasion and beats out Barkley as a rookie, then he's got some talent that will help us. Fromm has played well against the likes of Alabama, Auburn, Florida, etc., in high pressure games in huge noisy stadiums, so perhaps the moment wouldn't be too big for him. (I still think Barkley beats him out and remains the #2 for one more year and I also think there won't be full noisy stadiums this year.) Edited June 30, 2020 by msw2112
MJS Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: How do you figure? How are they scoring? By running and throwing, I imagine. Or defensively. Or on special teams. Dolphins and Jets will be among the league's worst teams this year. I thought the Jets might be better but I've changed my mind about them and think they will struggle. Dolphins have a major lack of talent and are still a year away at least before being a team to worry about, but they are on the right track. Doesn't really matter, though. Most teams would suck if their starting QB misses significant time. Only a small handful of teams would be ok. None of the AFC East teams are among those. Edited June 30, 2020 by MJS
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 Firts, there are very few teams in the NFL that can withstand the loss of the starting QB. Saints got lucky last year, but only because Bridgewater was coming off injury. They now have Winston as a back up. Great move by them. Dalton to the Cowboys is also a great move. I agree with the general idea the OP stated. The Bills could do better at backup QB with Winston or Dalton. However, there are very few other teams in the NFL that are any better at backup QB. 1
ganesh Posted July 1, 2020 Posted July 1, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 3:40 AM, DCbillsfan said: Based on what Beane and McD have done so far, I give them the benefit of the doubt. They know Cam very well. Perhaps they didn't believe he would be a good fit. Cam wants to be the starter. He was not going to come in here and take over Allen. That is not how McDermott has built this team. Cam will be starting for NE,
Fan in Chicago Posted July 1, 2020 Posted July 1, 2020 On 6/29/2020 at 4:40 PM, JetsFan20 said: I’m pretty surprised the Bills as a contender didn’t take out an insurance policy for Josh Allen. With Newton in the fold this division is going to be a dogfight and if Barkley/Fromm has to start meaningful games that could be the difference. I know you guys love Beane/McDermott and they are doing a great job, but to me they made a mistake here. Every team in the division has proven QBs behind their starter with the exception of the prohibitive favorite. So basically, you are saying the same as Michael Lombardi:
Putin Posted July 1, 2020 Posted July 1, 2020 15 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: I think Flacco can be a Pro Bowl starter for the Jets by years end. Perhaps he had a Vinny Testavetde type run. Yes my money is on Flacco and Cam Newton to be in the pro bowl this year !!!
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