C.Biscuit97 Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: I recently watched some Youtube combine videos where Mayock was gushing over Josh and wondered what his current opinion would be. There was always a big divide between the scouts and the analytics types. It seems to still be true. Mike Mayock had Blaine Gabbert over CAm Newton in their draft.
Warcodered Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 I mean if we believe in him I guess we'd think he should of gone higher but the act of trading would damage his value just like with Rosen. 1
Doc Brown Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 I'd like to see a poll of Browns and Jets fans seeing if they'd trade Mayfield or Darnold for him straight up. My guess is no as fans generally rally around their guy. 2
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 These polls are always tough because no one ever considers how much longer they have him under contract. He's completed two full years of his rookie deal, diminishing his value. Plus, he isn't a franchise QB yet, though he could be. I guess I'd go 2nd rounder. 2
VW82 Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 He never should have gone seventh overall so it's tough to judge him against that. IMO all the first round guys except for Lamar have lost value around the league. Baker, Sam, and Josh all have a lot to prove. Also, it took a proven guy like Cam months to find a home. Teams aren't trading high draft picks for unproven guys. 1 1
Doc Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 7 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: In today’s NFL, with the depravity of good QB’s, especially young. If he were to be back in the draft I would think 3-7 range would be about right. To trade him I would need the first overall pick in a good QB draft so I could have my pick of the litter at replacing him. That was very profane. 2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said: Cheesecake Factory comes to mind... I'm so glad someone else said this 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, VW82 said: He never should have gone seventh overall so it's tough to judge him against that. IMO all the first round guys except for Lamar have lost value around the league. Baker, Sam, and Josh all have a lot to prove. Also, it took a proven guy like Cam months to find a home. Teams aren't trading high draft picks for unproven guys. Draft value is a stupid concept. If you couldn't have gotten the player later than where they were taken, then the value was exactly right.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Mike Mayock had Blaine Gabbert over CAm Newton in their draft. https://www.thesportster.com/football/mike-mayocks-top-15-biggest-draft-mistakes/ 1
CorkScrewHill Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 7 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Voters ARE Bills Fans. My answer is based on what I believe what the NFL "mediots" think..... Josh is still "too raw" and therefore the higher 8 - 32 applies the media doesn't actually decide anything, hence why they are always surprised when a trade goes down. The media would trash the trade, but a young QB with tremendous upside is going to get you multiple high picks. For the love of all that is holy, we gave up a first for Rob Johnson and we got a 3rd for Tyrod "at my ceiling" Taylor.
Mikie2times Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 Would it sound funny to you if you heard Mayfield or Darnold were traded for a first? To me it would. Does the market view the three that differently at this moment? I don't think it does.
Thurman#1 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 13 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: In today’s NFL, with the depravity of good QB’s, especially young. If he were to be back in the draft I would think 3-7 range would be about right. To trade him I would need the first overall pick in a good QB draft so I could have my pick of the litter at replacing him. Damn those depraved young QBs. Typo, yeah? Agreed with your range. 3rd to 7th sounds about right. And I agree the Bills wouldn't take that deal.
HappyDays Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 6 hours ago, VW82 said: Teams aren't trading high draft picks for unproven guys. Using a draft pick on a college QB is exactly that, though. Does Allen have a better chance of being a franchise QB than Tua? What about Justin Hebert? In this hypothetical scenario some team would give up an early 1st round pick for him.
Steve Billieve Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 Trading your improving project QB is basically an announcement he sucks. There's no incentive to give up something good. I mean I guess some team could become obsessed and offer something stupid.
mramefa Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 15 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: In today’s NFL, with the depravity of good QB’s, especially young. If he were to be back in the draft I would think 3-7 range would be about right. To trade him I would need the first overall pick in a good QB draft so I could have my pick of the litter at replacing him. de·prav·i·ty /dəˈpravədē/ noun moral corruption; wickedness.
Augie Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, nrenegar said: de·prav·i·ty /dəˈpravədē/ noun moral corruption; wickedness. I thought this was a Bills message board. Who brought the Patriots into this?
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 15 hours ago, Doc said: That was very profane. Indeciduously!
4merper4mer Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 23 hours ago, DefenseWins said: I don't usually get picky reading other peoples comments, but the highlighted text isn't even a sentence. Depravity is definitely NOT the word you wanted to use either. Scarcity would have been much better and meaningful. I would want a top 5 draft pick for Allen at this point before I'd even consider a trade offer. I am very pleased with Allen's progress so far and expect continued improvement in his game. Big Ben is a good QB with no shortage of depravity.
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