51st State? DC Statehood Is Happening!

[Cinga]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Just Maryland. VA reneged long ago. I guess maybe VA would reclaim half of the Potomac? 

~706k. Just use the right number. No need to exaggerate.

 

New find on this... Article 4

Section 3

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1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

 

Since no state can be formed within the jurisdiction of another state without the consent of the legislature of that state, I could argue that DC is in fact within ALL THE STATES by this very Constitution, so would require now, a Constitutional Amendment, AND an affirmative vote of at least 26 states.

5 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Looks like the VA portion of DC was returned to Virginia in the mid-1800's. Of course, I think that there is an legitimate argument to be had that if the Federal District were to be shrunk to just the main governmental areas, the rest of the city would automatically revert to Maryland's control, which would require their legislature to approve partitioning part of their state into a new state.

 

Oh, and 705,000 is totally the same thing as over 1 million.

 

 

 

Oh, he has his reason.... takes 711,000 to make up a new congressional seat... 

[Tiberius]

41 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

New find on this... Article 4

Section 3

 

Since no state can be formed within the jurisdiction of another state without the consent of the legislature of that state, I could argue that DC is in fact within ALL THE STATES by this very Constitution, so would require now, a Constitutional Amendment, AND an affirmative vote of at least 26 states.

 

Oh, he has his reason.... takes 711,000 to make up a new congressional seat... 

Argue all you want. It's still going to happen 

[bdutton]

On 6/27/2020 at 8:39 AM, Tiberius said:

Yes!! This looks like an easy one. If Democrats win the Senate and WH all they have to do is pass a law, blow up the stupid Filibuster and Biden signs it into law, two more Democratic Senators! Boom! 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-approves-dc-at-51st-state-gop-calls-move-dem-power-grab

 

 

 

Article 1, Section 8,

 

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

 

Only a Constitutional amendment can change the designation of the District of Columbia in order to be eligible to be a state.

 

ETA... and before being allowed to become a state, the land would have to be returned to the original state(s) of Maryland and Virginia.

Edited June 29, 2020 by bdutton

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, bdutton said:

Article 1, Section 8,

 

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

 

Only a Constitutional amendment can change the designation of the District of Columbia in order to be eligible to be a state.

 

ETA... and before being allowed to become a state, the land would have to be returned to the original state(s) of Maryland and Virginia.

Nope, "Not exceeding ten miles" so we make the district a block. Done. It doesn't say how small 

 

Can't wait for a new senate next year! Biden's present to the nation! A new state! YES! 

[3rdnlng]

27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Nope, "Not exceeding ten miles" so we make the district a block. Done. It doesn't say how small 

 

Can't wait for a new senate next year! Biden's present to the nation! A new state! YES! 

Biden's new state of Dementia, eh?

[Cinga]

2 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

I’ve been doing a fair bit of reading about various secession movements in California.  The most plausible scenario is that California would become three states, one of which would be conservative leaning.

 

As an aside, all this talk of stacking the Senate, the Electoral College by adding new states in order to harness majorities to dictate policy tracks me back, once again, to the national politics leading into the Civil War, and gives me one more reason to think we’re headed there again.

And oh, let me add that I suspect the tipping point to the war is going to be that the next time Dems control the POTUS, and both houses of Congress, I totally expect them to try and declare the Constitution null and void by a mere majority vote. Seeing the argument in this thread just adds to that expectation.

[TakeYouToTasker]

13 minutes ago, Cinga said:

And oh, let me add that I suspect the tipping point to the war is going to be that the next time Dems control the POTUS, and both houses of Congress, I totally expect them to try and declare the Constitution null and void by a mere majority vote. Seeing the argument in this thread just adds to that expectation.

I think the only way to avoid this is to have California secede before these particular stars align.

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Argue all you want. It's still going to happen 

 

 

Tibsy response when he realizes the states won't vote to pass any amendment to have DC as a state.

                   

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

He knows! 

 

For his part, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is saying that a Democratic victory could turn the legislative body he loves so dearly into an abattoir where liberty is hacked to pieces. Here’s the warning he issued on Thursday, referring to “51 for 51,” the argument that Democrats should get rid of the legislative filibuster so bills can be passed on a majority vote, and then make D.C. a state:

A coalition of left-wing special interests are explicitly campaigning for, quote, 51 for 51. They want senators to vandalize the rules to pass legislation with a simple majority and then use that ill-gotten power to cement a presumed advantage by awarding the District of Columbia two Senate seats. They want to nuke the Senate to pack the Senate. This, Mr. President, is naked politics.

Politics? Well I never!

 

Merick Garland waves "Hi" 

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

He knows! 

 

For his part, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is saying that a Democratic victory could turn the legislative body he loves so dearly into an abattoir where liberty is hacked to pieces. Here’s the warning he issued on Thursday, referring to “51 for 51,” the argument that Democrats should get rid of the legislative filibuster so bills can be passed on a majority vote, and then make D.C. a state:

A coalition of left-wing special interests are explicitly campaigning for, quote, 51 for 51. They want senators to vandalize the rules to pass legislation with a simple majority and then use that ill-gotten power to cement a presumed advantage by awarding the District of Columbia two Senate seats. They want to nuke the Senate to pack the Senate. This, Mr. President, is naked politics.

Politics? Well I never!

 

Merick Garland waves "Hi" 

Tibs, you’re quick to cite the Garland example but you conveniently forgot the history of Obamacare. The Democrats did the same thing to get it passed, but I don’t hear you squealing. 

[Tiberius]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Tibs, you’re quick to cite the Garland example but you conveniently forgot the history of Obamacare. The Democrats did the same thing to get it passed, but I don’t hear you squealing. 

Passing a law?? How dare they! 

 

 

[Tiberius]

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D.C. statehood advocates, including Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D), will make the case for becoming the 51st state at a critical House hearing on Monday, as Democrats pledge to bring the statehood bill to the House floor for a vote before summer.

With 51-star flags lining Pennsylvania Avenue and pro-statehood signs lining yards across the city, the hearing before the House Oversight and Reform Committee will explore the constitutional, moral and political arguments both for and against statehood.

Democrats are looking to seize on their control of both chambers of Congress and the White House to push statehood further than it has gone before, framing it as a central part of their voting rights platform.

More than 700,000 people live in the District — a population greater than Wyoming and Vermont. But they do not have a vote in Congress.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/bowser-advocates-make-the-case-for-dc-statehood-at-house-committee-hearing/2021/03/22/bc093652-89e5-11eb-bfdf-4d36dab83a6d_story.html

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 6/27/2020 at 9:04 AM, Chef Jim said:

Why not just incorporate it into Maryland?

NFW!!!
 

Signed, 

 

a resident of Maryland. 

[BillStime]

 

Idiots. How can anyone support these nut jobs?

[buffaloaggie]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/21/opinion/constitution-says-no-dc-statehood/

[B-Man]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2021/04/22/the-democrats-51st-statehood-bill-is-more-than-a-power-grab-it-stealthily-cancels-a-major-historical-figure-n1441979

 

 

The Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives have voted in lockstep to make Washington, D.C., the 51st state.

 

The bill is blatantly unconstitutional and stands very little if any chance of passing the Senate. The Democrats want the 51st state, sure enough, for the power it would grant them forever but they also want its failure to become yet another means of racially dividing the country. It’s more performance art in lieu of governance. As the Democrats prove themselves incapable of the former at every level from the border to New York and everywhere across the continent, the performance art takes center stage. It’s all that bankrupt extremist party has.

 

The District of Columbia was never intended to have senators because it isn’t supposed to be a state. That’s in the Constitution, which Reich surely knows but fails to inform his followers.

 

HR 51 is a stealthy piece of work. Here’s the text from the very top of the bill:

 

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This bill admits certain portions of Washington, DC as the 51st state. The bill defines state as the State of Washington, Douglass Commonwealth.

 

In addition to creating a 51st state precisely where the Constitution says there can’t be one, it changes the name from Washington, District of Columbia to State of Washington, Douglass Commonwealth.

 

 

See what they did there?

 

The Democratic Party voted to cancel the reference to Christopher Columbus in the name of the new state it’s trying to create, where the Constitution says they can’t create one.

 

For some reason, the Democrats aren’t crowing about canceling Columbus. They probably hoped it would go unnoticed.

 

“Douglass” is a reference to 19th-century anti-slave champion Frederick Douglass. The escaped slave and black Republican certainly deserves great honor. He brought courage and Christian moral fire to the abolitionist cause, the cause on which the Republican Party was founded.

 

Democrats might cancel him once they learn what he said about the Constitution and the American founders they denounce as racist.

Click on that link and look up the fifth mention of the word “glorious.”

 

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/what-to-the-slave-is-the-fourth-of-july/

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

When Adding New States Helped the Republicans

 

In 1889 and 1890, Congress added North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Washington, Idaho, and Wyoming—the largest admission of states since the original 13. This addition of 12 new senators and 18 new electors to the Electoral College was a deliberate strategy of late-19th-century Republicans to stay in power after their swing toward Big Business cost them a popular majority. The strategy paid dividends deep into the future; indeed, the admission of so many rural states back then helps to explain GOP control of the Senate today, 130 years later.

 

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“The difference between the parties is as the difference between the light and darkness, day and night,” one supporter argued in Frank Leslie’s. The Republican Party, he insisted, must stay in power to protect Big Business. If that meant shutting more populous territories out of statehood and admitting a few underpopulated western states to enable a minority to exercise political control over the majority of Americans, so be it. Today, the District of Columbia has more residents than at least two other states; Puerto Rico has more than 20. With numbers like that, admitting either or both to the union is less a political power play on the Democrats’ part than the late-19th-century partisan move that still warps American politics.

[B-Man]

 

 

THE D.C. STATEHOOD GAMBIT

 

Democrats seem intent on using the events of January 6 as a sort of Reichstag fire on which they can predicate a one-party state. They have H.R. 1. to federalize election law and facilitate fraudulent voting. They seek to pack the Supreme Court. And they propose turning the District of Columbia into a state.

 

The D.C. statehood gambit has been around for a long time, but it answers to the moment. It gives proponents yet another opportunity to impute racism to those who think it’s not a good idea.

 

Is this really the way to win friends and influence people? Someone might get the idea that these people are not to be trusted with unlimited power.

 

There is no good argument in favor of D.C. statehood. Not one, unless the accession of two more Democratic Senators to the Senate in perpetuity rings your chimes.

It’s a bad idea all the way around. Like so many items of Democrat orthodoxy, however, effectively exploits the ignorance of its intended audience.

 

In addition to its other defects, D.C. statehood would be unconstitutional. The Wall Street Journal editorial on the subject discusses its other defects and notes, for example:

 

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[T]he creation of an independent state to supplant the District, as the current House legislation proposes, is certainly unconstitutional. The Founders deliberately created a federal district under the control of Congress because it didn’t want the federal government to be subject to the sway of any one state. Statehood imposed by statute would strip Congress of one of its enumerated powers—effectively amending the Constitution without an amendment process.

 

 

Attorney Hewitt Pate thoroughly explored the constitutional issue in “D.C. Statehood: Not Without a Constitutional Amendment” in 1993.

I recommend Pate’s footnoted remarks to anyone interested in the subject.

https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/dc-statehood-not-without-constitutional-amendment

As I say, the idea has been around for a long time. It had already been around for a long time when Pate wrote his remarks.

 

The Dems’ court-packing plan may represent the ultimate solution to the constitutional problem. They give no evidence of any awareness of the issue or concern about legality. It’s just the way they roll, as with the imputation of racism to their opponents.

 

More at: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/the-d-c-statehood-gambit.php

 

 

 

[SCBills]

DC Statehood is not going to pass the Senate, but let’s just say it did... maybe then it would force the GOP in Georgia and Arizona to stop running awful candidates.   
 

Also, Joe Manchin will eventually retire.