TakeYouToTasker Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: If Montana is allowed to be a state then DC should be. and Northern/Southern California should be split into 2 states. This is disjointed, and commingles dissimilar situations. DC is a special case because it was specifically created by the Constitution to be unaffiliated so that the Federal government would not be unduly influenced by any one state. Having DC becomes a state would undo that, which is incredibly problematic for reasons I’m certain you can identify. Because DC was created by the Constitution for that purpose, it would require an Amendment to grant it statehood. This has nothing to do with Wyoming, as population has nothing to do with wether or not an entity can become a state. Any other body of land: Puerto Rico, Guam, etc, can be admitted to the Union through normal Congressional proceedure. What any of this has to do with California is beyond me. Edited June 29, 2020 by TakeYouToTasker 1
Cinga Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, a simple majority vote in both houses and a presidential signature is all it takes. The Filibuster will probably have to meet it's sad and tragic untimely death, but so be it Reading comprehension still not your strong suit huh? 10 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: What any of this has to do with California is beyond me. Democrats are hoping that if they split CA correctly, they would gain 2 Dem senate seats which of course is what the whole DC talk is also about 1
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2020 Author Posted June 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cinga said: Reading comprehension still not your strong suit huh? Lol, my reading comprehension is fine. Your ability to make a serious point is weak, though. Can you make your point clearly? 1
Cinga Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Lol, my reading comprehension is fine. Your ability to make a serious point is weak, though. Can you make your point clearly? Me and @TakeYouToTasker have made it obvious why it would require a Constitutional Amendment and you haven't paid a bit of attention to it. So you are either lying, or have no concept of truth 2 1
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Cinga said: Democrats are hoping that if they split CA correctly, they would gain 2 Dem senate seats which of course is what the whole DC talk is also about I’ve been doing a fair bit of reading about various secession movements in California. The most plausible scenario is that California would become three states, one of which would be conservative leaning. As an aside, all this talk of stacking the Senate, the Electoral College by adding new states in order to harness majorities to dictate policy tracks me back, once again, to the national politics leading into the Civil War, and gives me one more reason to think we’re headed there again. Edited June 29, 2020 by TakeYouToTasker 3
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2020 Author Posted June 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Cinga said: Me and @TakeYouToTasker have made it obvious why it would require a Constitutional Amendment and you haven't paid a bit of attention to it. So you are either lying, or have no concept of truth Oh, I responded to that distraction earlier. Non issue
Cinga Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I’ve been doing a fair bit of reading about various secession movements in California. The most plausible scenario is that California would become three states, one of which would be conservative leaning. As an aside, all this talk of stacking the Senate, the Electoral College by adding new states in order to harness majorities to dictate policy tracks me back, once again, to the national politics leading into the Civil War, and gives me one more reason to think we’re headed there again. Even before the Civil War there was strife between North and South for years. Typically when they allowed new states, they did it alternating northern and southern so as not to give each other the upper hand. But yeah, I'm afraid your correct on heading in that direction again. When you consider however the first war was literally the Democrat South against the Republican North it's still the same with the Democrats once again the instigator, just turned urban (south) vs rural (north) 1
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2020 Author Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) People sitting around making up fake reasons to deny people their just representation in the government that taxes, punishes, enforces laws against them. Just despicable! Hustle them out! Edited June 29, 2020 by Tiberius
RochesterRob Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: People sitting around making up fake reasons to deny people their just representation in the government that taxes, punishes, enforces laws against them. Just despicable! Hustle them out! How many of your ancestors did the same? How long has your family been in the US? Did some of them live in the South and perhaps were here before the Revolution? Please answer in the slavery thread.
Cinga Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: People sitting around making up fake reasons to deny people their just representation in the government that taxes, punishes, enforces laws against them. Just despicable! Hustle them out! Deny them representation? Once again: Quote 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States So that literally means, they are represented by 435 Representatives and 100 Senators Let me say that again, slowly to help you understand.... S-o t-h-a-t l-i-t-e-r-a-l-l-y m-e-a-n-s, t-h-e-y a-r-e r-e-p-r-e-s-e-n-t-e-d b-y 4-3-5 R-e-p-r-e-s-e-n-t-a-t-i-v-e-s a-n-d 1-0-0 S-e-n-a-t-o-r-s did that help? 1
B-Man Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Cinga said: Deny them representation? Once again: So that literally means, they are represented by 435 Representatives and 100 Senators Let me say that again, slowly to help you understand.... S-o t-h-a-t l-i-t-e-r-a-l-l-y m-e-a-n-s, t-h-e-y a-r-e r-e-p-r-e-s-e-n-t-e-d b-y 4-3-5 R-e-p-r-e-s-e-n-t-a-t-i-v-e-s a-n-d 1-0-0 S-e-n-a-t-o-r-s did that help? He will answer something similar to this......... 40 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh, I responded to that distraction earlier. Non issue 1
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2020 Author Posted June 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Cinga said: Deny them representation? Once again: So that literally means, they are represented by 435 Representatives and 100 Senators Let me say that again, slowly to help you understand.... S-o t-h-a-t l-i-t-e-r-a-l-l-y m-e-a-n-s, t-h-e-y a-r-e r-e-p-r-e-s-e-n-t-e-d b-y 4-3-5 R-e-p-r-e-s-e-n-t-a-t-i-v-e-s a-n-d 1-0-0 S-e-n-a-t-o-r-s did that help? Lol! And the sky is green because you say so. Wrong! No taxation without represntation! Right now no one directly represents over one million American citizens. That will change
Cinga Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Lol! And the sky is green because you say so. Wrong! No taxation without represntation! Right now no one directly represents over one million American citizens. That will change Maybe, when you and your ilk tear up the Constitution because it won't happen without that
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2020 Author Posted June 29, 2020 Just now, Cinga said: Maybe, when you and your ilk tear up the Constitution because it won't happen without that Perfectly constitutional, it will enter as a state just like the others did. Then PR
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Lol! And the sky is green because you say so. Wrong! No taxation without represntation! Right now no one directly represents over one million American citizens. That will change Over 1 million? Are we counting Puerto Rico or something?
Cinga Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Perfectly constitutional, it will enter as a state just like the others did. Then PR PR doesn't want it and DC will either have to be given back to Maryland and Virginia first or a Constitutional Amendment
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2020 Author Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Over 1 million? Are we counting Puerto Rico or something? Ok, 750,000 people 2 minutes ago, Cinga said: PR doesn't want it and DC will either have to be given back to Maryland and Virginia first or a Constitutional Amendment Nope, just pass the law and sign. No more tricks to unfairly undermine representation of the people. And House has already passed it! Step one, done! Edited June 29, 2020 by Tiberius
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Cinga said: PR doesn't want it and DC will either have to be given back to Maryland and Virginia first or a Constitutional Amendment Just Maryland. VA reneged long ago. I guess maybe VA would reclaim half of the Potomac? 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Ok, 750,000 people ~706k. Just use the right number. No need to exaggerate. 1
RochesterRob Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ok, 750,000 people Nope, just pass the law and sign. No more tricks to unfairly undermine representation of the people. And House has already passed it! Step one, done! A little over 705,000 which is not the same thing as 750,000.
Koko78 Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Just Maryland. VA reneged long ago. I guess maybe VA would reclaim half of the Potomac? ~706k. Just use the right number. No need to exaggerate. Looks like the VA portion of DC was returned to Virginia in the mid-1800's. Of course, I think that there is an legitimate argument to be had that if the Federal District were to be shrunk to just the main governmental areas, the rest of the city would automatically revert to Maryland's control, which would require their legislature to approve partitioning part of their state into a new state. Oh, and 705,000 is totally the same thing as over 1 million.
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