B-Man Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 WALTER WILLIAMS ON THOMAS SOWELL AT 90: “In many respects, Sowell is an Austrian economist like the great Nobel laureate Friedrich Hayek, who often talked about elites and their ‘pretense of knowledge.’ These are people who believe that they have the ability and knowledge to organize society in a way better than people left to their own devices — what Hayek called the fatal conceit. Their vision requires the use of the coercive powers of government. In my book, Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest economist-philosophers of our age, and I am proud to say that he is one of my best friends. Sowell demonstrates something that is uniquely American; namely, just because you know where a person ended up in life, you cannot be sure about where he started.” On 6/25/2020 at 10:57 AM, Tiberius said: So he makes a living telling blacks not to vote Democrat. Paid writer
3rdnlng Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: WALTER WILLIAMS ON THOMAS SOWELL AT 90: “In many respects, Sowell is an Austrian economist like the great Nobel laureate Friedrich Hayek, who often talked about elites and their ‘pretense of knowledge.’ These are people who believe that they have the ability and knowledge to organize society in a way better than people left to their own devices — what Hayek called the fatal conceit. Their vision requires the use of the coercive powers of government. In my book, Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest economist-philosophers of our age, and I am proud to say that he is one of my best friends. Sowell demonstrates something that is uniquely American; namely, just because you know where a person ended up in life, you cannot be sure about where he started.” Tiberius can't help himself, Sowell is black and Tiberius is a racist. 1
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 Just now, dubs said: This What a cry baby. Boo hoo
3rdnlng Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 32 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What a cry baby. Boo hoo Racist. 1
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Racist. You are stupid, I guess that's why you need public assistance.
3rdnlng Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: You are stupid, I guess that's why you need public assistance. I want none of your ***** assistance. You're not getting my $5.
Tiberius Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: I want none of your ***** assistance. You're not getting my $5. Bum
B-Man Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: What a cry baby. Boo hoo 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: You are stupid, I guess that's why you need public assistance. 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Bum No words needed. 1
Juror#8 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, dubs said: Double Dose of Intellectual Power! Something about this doesn’t work. I mean I get it. I do. I get what he’s saying: we can’t countenance the propagation of historical grievances. Or maybe we have to be better in the space between no longer and not yet. But how he says it, I think, is somehow just structurally suspect. Gotta give it some thought though.
3rdnlng Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, Juror#8 said: Something about this doesn’t work. I mean I get it. I do. I get what he’s saying: we can’t countenance the propagation of historical grievances. Or maybe we have to be better in the space between no longer and not yet. But how he says it, I think, is somehow just structurally suspect. Gotta give it some thought though. It'd be pretty damn difficult to find fault with anything Thomas Sowell writes. 1
Juror#8 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: It'd be pretty damn difficult to find fault with anything Thomas Sowell writes. Be that as it may, I’m gonna try. It’s 1:09 in the morning and I woke up sort of abruptly. I’ve been thinking about this for the last few hours and at least I think I’ve realized the issue I have with it. The call of his comment suggests that there is or there may be or we are venturing near a societal circumstance where posterity will be asked to atone for historical wrongs damn near in perpetuity. Even if we bring to bear the most leftist sense of racial reckoning, I don’t think it’s one of architecturalizing contrition by whites towards blacks now and for decades hence. I think that’s an exaggeration of even the more extremely leftist viewpoints. And I think his comments are disingenuously calculated as a dog whistle to capitalize on the sensation of the moment. At least I think. Even the most helplessly lost left of center viewpoints seem to be asking for reparations and perhaps a greater acknowledgment and show of responsibility for slavery and its progeny: segregation, systemic oppression, legally sanctioned racial injustice, etc. But I think that even they want to heal and find a place where race isn’t part of their daily calculation. I think that everyone’s end game - right, left, and middle - is that we reach a place where no apologies are needed and we find a post-racial same state starting point for every baby born for the many more decades and the many more hences. I think that Sowell [purposely] misses that point. Anyway, the difference ideologically (between normal folks and the far far left especially) is where that post-racialism point happens. Some say it’s happened. Some say it’s happening. I think the far left says it’s far off in the hinterlands somewhere. But I think everyone agrees that we need to get there. Sowell’s words suggest a world that no one wants: contrition in perpetuity and no environment of healing or at some point having already made right a wrong that we can then proceed forward from. That kind of dog whistle scares people and naturally finds an audience amongst people who don’t want to now or in the future apologize for something that they weren’t complicit in. Its now 1:22 in the am and those are my thoughts that I think I think. My lady probably thinks I’m texting some other chick. Gotta get to bed. 1
US Egg Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 So it is now accepted as common sense logic and is clearly supported by their leftist peers is: "If one doesn't view seeking change through destruction as noble, then they too are the enemy." ?
dubs Posted June 30, 2020 Author Posted June 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Juror#8 said: Be that as it may, I’m gonna try. It’s 1:09 in the morning and I woke up sort of abruptly. I’ve been thinking about this for the last few hours and at least I think I’ve realized the issue I have with it. The call of his comment suggests that there is or there may be or we are venturing near a societal circumstance where posterity will be asked to atone for historical wrongs damn near in perpetuity. Even if we bring to bear the most leftist sense of racial reckoning, I don’t think it’s one of architecturalizing contrition by whites towards blacks now and for decades hence. I think that’s an exaggeration of even the more extremely leftist viewpoints. And I think his comments are disingenuously calculated as a dog whistle to capitalize on the sensation of the moment. At least I think. Even the most helplessly lost left of center viewpoints seem to be asking for reparations and perhaps a greater acknowledgment and show of responsibility for slavery and its progeny: segregation, systemic oppression, legally sanctioned racial injustice, etc. But I think that even they want to heal and find a place where race isn’t part of their daily calculation. I think that everyone’s end game - right, left, and middle - is that we reach a place where no apologies are needed and we find a post-racial same state starting point for every baby born for the many more decades and the many more hences. I think that Sowell [purposely] misses that point. Anyway, the difference ideologically (between normal folks and the far far left especially) is where that post-racialism point happens. Some say it’s happened. Some say it’s happening. I think the far left says it’s far off in the hinterlands somewhere. But I think everyone agrees that we need to get there. Sowell’s words suggest a world that no one wants: contrition in perpetuity and no environment of healing or at some point having already made right a wrong that we can then proceed forward from. That kind of dog whistle scares people and naturally finds an audience amongst people who don’t want to now or in the future apologize for something that they weren’t complicit in. Its now 1:22 in the am and those are my thoughts that I think I think. My lady probably thinks I’m texting some other chick. Gotta get to bed. I think what TS is doing is calling out the left’s leaders’ desire (and what they have actually done) to create a perpetual state of grievance. Maybe some of the foot soldiers and followers on the left actually have a noble end in mind. Little do they realize they are just conditioned to think and feel how they do and that no amount of “justice” will ever stop those pulling the levers from creating more reason for people to blame other for their own misery. There is a very simple truth at play here. What’s good for the country is bad for the left. The more people are happy the less need there is for government, bloated budgets, lifetime bureaucracy jobs, less reason to watch the news, be on Twitter, etc... Grievance and guilt are the raw material for the left’s industry. Those with noble intentions on the left are unfortunately just well conditioned consumers of this, but for those who set the tone on the left, a permanent state of division isn’t a problem the solve, it’s a perception to create and perpetuate. 1
TH3 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 10 hours ago, dubs said: Double Dose of Intellectual Power! Hey Larry....your POTUS just posted a WHITE POWER video.... Oh.....WHITE POWER! 1
dubs Posted June 30, 2020 Author Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, TH3 said: Hey Larry....your POTUS just posted a WHITE POWER video.... Oh.....WHITE POWER! oh, I don’t have you on my ignore list. Thanks for the heads up!!
Taro T Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Juror#8 said: Be that as it may, I’m gonna try. It’s 1:09 in the morning and I woke up sort of abruptly. I’ve been thinking about this for the last few hours and at least I think I’ve realized the issue I have with it. The call of his comment suggests that there is or there may be or we are venturing near a societal circumstance where posterity will be asked to atone for historical wrongs damn near in perpetuity. Even if we bring to bear the most leftist sense of racial reckoning, I don’t think it’s one of architecturalizing contrition by whites towards blacks now and for decades hence. I think that’s an exaggeration of even the more extremely leftist viewpoints. And I think his comments are disingenuously calculated as a dog whistle to capitalize on the sensation of the moment. At least I think. Even the most helplessly lost left of center viewpoints seem to be asking for reparations and perhaps a greater acknowledgment and show of responsibility for slavery and its progeny: segregation, systemic oppression, legally sanctioned racial injustice, etc. But I think that even they want to heal and find a place where race isn’t part of their daily calculation. I think that everyone’s end game - right, left, and middle - is that we reach a place where no apologies are needed and we find a post-racial same state starting point for every baby born for the many more decades and the many more hences. I think that Sowell [purposely] misses that point. Anyway, the difference ideologically (between normal folks and the far far left especially) is where that post-racialism point happens. Some say it’s happened. Some say it’s happening. I think the far left says it’s far off in the hinterlands somewhere. But I think everyone agrees that we need to get there. Sowell’s words suggest a world that no one wants: contrition in perpetuity and no environment of healing or at some point having already made right a wrong that we can then proceed forward from. That kind of dog whistle scares people and naturally finds an audience amongst people who don’t want to now or in the future apologize for something that they weren’t complicit in. Its now 1:22 in the am and those are my thoughts that I think I think. My lady probably thinks I’m texting some other chick. Gotta get to bed. J8, Very good to have you back. Overall, what you write here seems a good take, but don't agree with the bolded. Expect that the majority of even the so called SJWs do want to get to that place but not all. When somebody says they want to kill all _____s (fill in whatever word is apropos for the particular discussion: whites, Jews, Armenians, Uyghurs, Tutsis, etc.) and they follow that up by taking to the streets violently, it seems to be best to take them at their word. We're getting to a point where we (in the general sense of the word) allow people to claim that words are actual violence (as opposed to what they actually should be - a way to express our ideas to allow others to understand us better & to understand others, or what they actually can be at their lowest - an uncalled for (not the exact right phrase there, but hopefully close enough) call for violence against innocents) and allow them to be taken seriously rather than telling them to actually think through what the consequences of that level of stupidity are. We're also getting to a point where many people (of all shades) actually espouse & seem to believe that if one is a member of a minority that they themself cannot be racist by definition regardless of how much unsubstantiated hate they have in their heart for someone else simply due to the color of that other person's skin tone. TL,DR: when somebody insists on telling you they're a bad person, believe them. (And, btw, there are many things that we as a society can do better for the less fortunate, but they start with improving education & also helping people understand that it really is on them to improve their own lot in life but that if they take some initiative that there are people that will help them towards that goal but nobody will hand them success. Sorry, getting preachy & don't have the time, energy, nor inclination to write the novella to explain my thoughts on this fully.) 2
Koko78 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Juror#8 said: I think that’s an exaggeration of even the more extremely leftist viewpoints. Yes, that's what he is doing. The problem is, he's not exaggerating them by much. 8 hours ago, Juror#8 said: But I think that even they want to heal and find a place where race isn’t part of their daily calculation. Doubtful. The powers-that-be in the left wants a perpetual 'us vs. them' mentality to stir up outrage when it's politically advantageous. Do you really think that it's a coincidence that the current "BLM" riots are taking place right before a presidential election, where their candidate is a senile old fool? Do you think it's a coincidence that it's somehow being ignored that the 'systemic racism' occurs in cities that have been controlled by one party for decades? Do you think it's a coincidence that only certain black lives seem to matter? 8 hours ago, Juror#8 said: Sowell’s words suggest a world that no one wants: contrition in perpetuity and no environment of healing or at some point having already made right a wrong that we can then proceed forward from. Are you certain that world is one that no one wants - perpetual racial conflict stirred up every 4 years for political gain? Look at the reparation discussion during the Democrat primaries, for example. Every single candidate was for reparations... or were they? Notice how every single one would 'look into' the issue, or set up a commission to "study" the issue. Not one candidate actually came out and said that they would actually give reparations. Why? Because they were trying to appease potential black voters by pretending to be in favor of it, while simultaneously not alienating those opposed to it by promising to spend trillions of dollars on it. Not one of them was actually going to take the issue seriously; it was all meaningless platitudes. If 'systemic racism' was anything more than a meaningless rallying cry, why is it that these systems are still in place? Why is it that none on the left has taken any steps in the past 50 years to either identify these 'systems', much less taking steps to remove/replace them? The answer is obvious, either a.) They don't actually exist; or b.) They exist, but are being intentionally kept in place so that outrage can be manufactured at will. Regardless, I hope you were able to get back to sleep. Edited June 30, 2020 by Koko78 1
Wacka Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Juror#8 said: It’s 1:09 in the morning and I woke up sort of abruptly. I’ve been thinking about this for the last few hours and at least I think I’ve realized the issue I have with it Its now 1:22 in the am and those are my thoughts that I think I think. My lady probably thinks I’m texting some other chick. Gotta get to bed. That's your problem. Worryabout things that matter. When my head hits the bed only three things wake me up. !. A big thunderstorm 2. My almost 94 year old mom waking up and calling for me (usually it is nothing but once or twice a foot was off the bed) 3. Having to pee Nothing else keeps me awake at night. Nothing else really matters Edited June 30, 2020 by Wacka
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